Minimum wage in Alberta going to $15 an hour.
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worked and worked, to make the capitalist's that wealth in the first place. **** my life what a question.
ok. explain. because i can explain how capitalism is exploitation quite easily. it's evident all around you.
Socialists are quite prepared to just steal money from those that earned or inherited it to give to those that have done absolutely nothing to deserve it. That is real exploitation. Only one of many colossal failings of socialism.
Colossal failing #2 Socialists heap excess taxes on those who make the most money. Where is the incentive to get ahead when the government is just going to take your hard earned money and give it to the freeloaders. Or worse just have it disappear into that black hole called government services.
The trouble with "revolutionary" new societal models is not so much how the majority fares, but how the exceptions are dealt with. Is there room for personal iniative/creativity/excellence over and above the average and is it rewarded accordingly ? At the other end of the scale, are basically non-productive members given the same rewards as those that are carrying their load ? Social and economic equality, while a noble goal, generally has society as a whole moving to the pace of its slowest members which leads to usually terminal internal conflicts.
The great fallacy of trickle down economics.. that the rich are the gift to poor, and need to be 'incentivized' by preferential taxes on capital gains. Well it hasn't worked.. Reagan was a damn moron.. and the polarization of wealth has led to austerity, impoverishment and the disappearance of the middle class.
He wasn't alone.. Clinton put deregulation and privatization on Steroids.. which led directly to the economic collapse of 2008. That won't be the end of it. We'll stagger from shock to shock as a handful of speculators and traders become grotesquely rich, while the large majority of citizens struggle to feed their families.
Free markets have ALWAYS failed. Without tariffs consistent with establishing a productive, integrated, industrial economy; regulation of all markets; public ownership of natural monopolies (in transportation, energy, utilities, communication infrastructures); sovereign control of currency and credit (at fixed rates of exchange), progressive taxation (treating capital gains beyond primary residence and modest retirement savings as EQUAL with that of earned income.. with top marginal rate of 75%)... we are headed for a global economic depression of unknown depth and duration and a World War that will inevitably result.
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socialists want to take the undeserved and excessive wealth of the capitalist class and distribute it to the people who actually worked for that money - the working class. taking the money back from the exploiters and giving it back to the workers. if you want to call that stealing it doesn't matter. this benefits society as a whole, it benefits a lot more people than what capitalism currently does.
you don't want to pay taxes but you call other people freeloaders, explain that one.
So where do you draw the line ? I'd be interested to what you would envision as the ultimate goal here. Equal distribution of wealth ?
Growing your own food is definitely one aspect of freedom, otherwise you don't have much control over what you eat, and if you don't have that, you are likely to get sick, hence the loss of your freedom.
Time for a little clarification here about political definitions- it's been indicated to me in the last 24 hours that we don't have a Socialist Party in Canada.
The sad state of society we live in, where not so long ago, the qualities of life experienced by the average family would seem squalid but today's standards. Yet so many people are absolutely terrified that a slightest bit of their wealth be wasted on someone they assume to be unworthy.
Greed is held as a conservative's virtue, and it's pathetic.
Greed is held as a conservative's virtue, and it's pathetic.
Minimum wage in Alberta going to $15 an hour
S'okay.
The transfer payments from Ontario 'll take care of it.
S'okay.
The transfer payments from Ontario 'll take care of it.
I don't think we have a purely socialist party in Canada, it's just an easy reference for being left of centre where Socialism is at the extreme left and Capitalism at the extreme right. If you had to actually graph it out all our major parties would likely show as a pretty tight grouping around center, some a little left and some a little right.
Interesting you should say that when Ms. Notely nailed this election by appealing to the basic greed inherent in all of us. Mr. Prentiss was saying "It's going to be rough for a little while, you're going to have to pitch in and help," and Ms. Notely said "It's going to be rough for a little while, let's make the rich pay". And golly gee, look what happened.