Meaning of "thee"
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Thee and Thou were in very common use about 200 years ago. Thet were still in common use by Quakers as late as the early 20th century.
They are actually the FORMAL ways of stating You in the singular and the plural respectively. In their era of common usage, only a person with little or no education (or an American) would have said "you".
They are actually the FORMAL ways of stating You in the singular and the plural respectively. In their era of common usage, only a person with little or no education (or an American) would have said "you".
Just spent a week in Edmonton (Enoch Cree reserve) at a healing gathering.
Edmonton sucks the big wazoo. Torrential downpour for three days accompanied by cold, high winds, thunder and lightning. Turned the reserve into a swamp within hours and destroyed many of the industrial type tents that were set up to facilitate youth activities and administration of the event. Got soaked. Got lost for 8 hours trying to find something in Edmonton because of all the road construction and poor maps. Stay away from that hell hole - Toronto too, unless you like living in a police state.
"what 'child abuse' are you taking about? That's a pretty sweeping statement - not to mention vague."
From wiki:
Some high-profile cases have focused attention on the sexual abuse perpetrated upon Amish children. In a few isolated areas it has been called "almost a plague in some communities."[105] Because Amish Bishops mete out punishment for sins, (generally in the form of shunning), they keep discipline within the authority of the church; thus, sexual abuse may be less often reported to law enforcement. Since men dominate their society, women and children who have been mistreated have little recourse. They themselves may be shunned for seeking outside help. Mary Byler was allegedly raped more than a hundred times between the ages of 8 and 14 by her brothers, and then she was excommunicated and shunned for reporting her abusers.[106] Another young woman claimed to have been raped repeatedly by her brother-in-law, who was eventually punished by being shunned for two and a half months.[107] Some groups have also been accused of tolerating severe physical abuse of children.[108] Although the rate of physical or sexual abuse does not appear to be higher in the Amish community than in the general public, their physical and social isolation from the outside world make it more difficult for victims to seek help.[citation needed]
The Lancaster, Pennsylvania, newspaper Intelligencer Journal published a four-part series on domestic abuse, child abuse, and child sexual abuse inside Amish (and Mennonite) families within the heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country. These articles suggested that abuse may be systematically silenced inside Amish (and Mennonite) churches, because of the emphasis on Gelassenheit and male authority in the church. The series, published on August 4, 2004, began with an article entitled "Silenced by Shame: Hidden in Plain Sight," and ended with an article entitled "The Ties That Bind Can Form the Noose." As the article "Beliefs, Culture Can Perpetuate Abuse in Families, Churches" makes clear, child and spousal abuse may be concealed or denied. One reaction from an Old Order woman was the following: "They made Plain women look too stupid and ignorant to know how to get help."[109]
The Amish community recently started to address the issue of abuse awareness. The Amish publisher Pathway Publishers ran several series in the magazine Family Life that touch upon the subjects of sexual and physical abuse. They have also distributed, free of charge, resources for abused persons, and for their families. Some Amish have objected to the articles, preferring that the subject not be raised, claiming these problems exist only among the "English".[
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Several reports like this have been made all over the USA Amish communities. I have not heard of any of these in Canada but it is well established here.
From wiki:
Some high-profile cases have focused attention on the sexual abuse perpetrated upon Amish children. In a few isolated areas it has been called "almost a plague in some communities."[105] Because Amish Bishops mete out punishment for sins, (generally in the form of shunning), they keep discipline within the authority of the church; thus, sexual abuse may be less often reported to law enforcement. Since men dominate their society, women and children who have been mistreated have little recourse. They themselves may be shunned for seeking outside help. Mary Byler was allegedly raped more than a hundred times between the ages of 8 and 14 by her brothers, and then she was excommunicated and shunned for reporting her abusers.[106] Another young woman claimed to have been raped repeatedly by her brother-in-law, who was eventually punished by being shunned for two and a half months.[107] Some groups have also been accused of tolerating severe physical abuse of children.[108] Although the rate of physical or sexual abuse does not appear to be higher in the Amish community than in the general public, their physical and social isolation from the outside world make it more difficult for victims to seek help.[citation needed]
The Lancaster, Pennsylvania, newspaper Intelligencer Journal published a four-part series on domestic abuse, child abuse, and child sexual abuse inside Amish (and Mennonite) families within the heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country. These articles suggested that abuse may be systematically silenced inside Amish (and Mennonite) churches, because of the emphasis on Gelassenheit and male authority in the church. The series, published on August 4, 2004, began with an article entitled "Silenced by Shame: Hidden in Plain Sight," and ended with an article entitled "The Ties That Bind Can Form the Noose." As the article "Beliefs, Culture Can Perpetuate Abuse in Families, Churches" makes clear, child and spousal abuse may be concealed or denied. One reaction from an Old Order woman was the following: "They made Plain women look too stupid and ignorant to know how to get help."[109]
The Amish community recently started to address the issue of abuse awareness. The Amish publisher Pathway Publishers ran several series in the magazine Family Life that touch upon the subjects of sexual and physical abuse. They have also distributed, free of charge, resources for abused persons, and for their families. Some Amish have objected to the articles, preferring that the subject not be raised, claiming these problems exist only among the "English".[
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Several reports like this have been made all over the USA Amish communities. I have not heard of any of these in Canada but it is well established here.
Read the article Cliffy! AMISH! MENNONITE! These are groups that are Anabaptists (the Quakers are not), and when it comes to the Old Order Mennonite and Amish, tend to live in close knit groups - which the Quakers do not. those Amish and Mennonite communities in your article? The only thing they have in common with the Quakers is that they aren't Roman Catholic.Read the Article Cliffy - it's NOT about the Quakers!
Sorry for using your name in vain Cliffy, I looked after I post and saw I was replying to 'Gopher', not you.
So because you don't know how to read a map and were stuck in some unseasonable weather, you don't like Edmonton... that sounds about par for the course, Cliffy.
Edmonton is a nice place. The pace is less hectic than places like Calgary or Vancouver. The climate can be cool in the winter but its not as wet and humid as the coast (and homes are well insulated making it less of an issue). Edmonton has a wealth of activities for pretty much all tastes. Getting around the city isn't that tough once you take some time to acclimate yourself with the surroundings: the streets are laid in a numerical sequence and the transit system is well developed. Its a fairly small city by international standards, with a population just over a million people but like western Canadian cities is spread out a bit.
I can't comment on Toronto, having only briefly visited once, save to say my taste left no desire to return.
Aww Cliffy - come on - the weather was not the fault of Edmonton - it was Mother Nature just doing what she does.Road construction and bad maps? That's every city in the world.
As far as the weather issues at the gathering? What better way for people to learn how to deal with all the bad things thrown at them and how to try to work around them?
Edmonton may have been uncomfortable, but hell hole? I don't think so. I'm all for taking the negative and trying to find a lesson in it. I thought , from all you have said, that you were the same. But hey - we all have our bad days.
As far as Toronto being a 'police state'? that conference should never have been held there. They did the best they could. I'm all for peaceful protest but what point was made by vandalizing a Tim Horton's - or some shop owner's business? Where is your moral indignation regarding the losses of small business owners due to the vandalizing by rioters? whether or not you approve of the G20 or not, the repercussions if someone had actually been hurt or killed would have been terrible.Come on Cliff, I'm surprised and not just a little disappointed that you would heap distain upon a city for something that they really had no control of ....always felt that you were better than that.
|yeah, Edmonton sucks balls when it gets weather and one isn't used to being outdoors... lol.
Just so everyone is aware, the weather Edmonton has been experiencing is unusual for the area at this time of year.
The weather here in Edmonton works fine for me. I like it a bit cool.
The city has grown on me since I moved here almost 3 years ago. The place is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
And, to stay on topic (sorta), get 'thee' to a nunnery.
The city has grown on me since I moved here almost 3 years ago. The place is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
And, to stay on topic (sorta), get 'thee' to a nunnery.
I realize that. I just do not like cities. I have spent time in Edmonton in the winter. At the time I was living in the forest of northern BC where temperature were far lower than Edmonton, but without the wind chill factor. I'm originally from Montreal so Edmonton is a small city, but I have spent the better part of the last 40 years living in the forest or small communities. Cities give me the Willies. The are just urban concentration camps to me.
If thou likest them, all the power to thee.
I cn understand that. I've lived in big cities and I've lived in small communities. I've found that for the most part, the generalizations that people use about both are just that - generalizations. I've found the big cities to be cold and heartless - but I also found the same attitude in the small communities. Small communities are supposed to be more accepting and helpful? It took a long time for our family to be accepted in the small community that we moved to - it took years. but when my Dad died everyone was there for us. Yes, large cities are more impersonal, but large cities are made up of small communities. I never felt 'alone ' when we lived in a city - mind you, I wasn't too happy about the rise in the cost of living. Having said that, when I lived in a small town it took me ages - and a lot of money to go to the city when I wanted to see or do something. Like I said- there are pros and cons to both. I like where I live now. I'm on the outskirts of Ottawa - on the green space. I have a forest behind my house and I see deer sometimes, (even had a turkey - the community called her Matilda, because she 'waltzed' through the neighbourhood), lots of raccoons and rabbits. but I'm close to a bus route and lots of walking paths and best of all, I have NO ONE living behind me.
Hey!!!! You forgot us Island people of British Columbia! Back up the bus and load us on.
Gopher: You seem confused as the identity and nature of the Quaker faith. I suspect you have them confused with Puritans, who subjected the very pacifist, Christian Quakers to persecution in 17th century New England. The Puritans are the ancestors to modern day Republican and Democratic party 'believers' who control the American political processes today, much like Cromwell did after the English civil war.