Mass shootings an American Problem

Blackleaf

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And huge parts of britain live under sharia law.

Which parts?

I see a distinct relationship between the number of guns and the amount of freedom.

Britain is a freer, more democratic country than America.



London - Population: 8.6 million. Number of murders committed in London in 2014: 93.

New York City - Population: 8.4 million. Number of murders committed in New York City in 2014: 190

Chicago - Population: 2.6 million. Number of murders committed in Chicago in 2014: 244

Baltimore - Population: 621,000. Number of murders committed in Baltimore in 2014: 138

Milwaukee - Population: 595,000 (over 14 times smaller than London's). Number of murders committed in Milwaukee in 2014: 59 (not far off half the number in London, a much, much bigger city)

Toronto - Population: 2.6 million. Number of murders committed in Toronto in 2014: 79
(just 14 less than London despite being around a third London's size)

In Canada in 2009, there were 610 murders.

In the United States in 2009, there were 13,636 murders.

In the UK in 2009, there were 626 murders, of which a grand total of 39 - just 39 - were caused by guns.

The UK's population is around twice that of Canada's and around a fifth that of the US, yet the number of people murdered in the UK in 2009 was almost exactly the same as Canada and almost 22 times less than the number of people killed in the US in the same year.


All in all, when it comes to my chances of being murdered, I thank God that I live in Britain and not the US or Canada.
 
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Danbones

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@Blackleaf
there are pros and cons with the NANNY state
you would need to post the stats on METHODS of murder to be fair
CHICAGO IS A GUN FREE CITY
so right there your stats are off...

also drug laws play a huge roll in crime stats
change those and everything changes with it

if they come after my steak/ cheffin' knives like they are talking of in Britian
I'd freak

if they charged me for defending myself in my home like they do in britian...

many left britian/ europe over the years to immigrate to Canada and the US because we prefer freedom of some kind to mum's apron strings

also BEARS are a problem here too
apron strings and crime porn cams do sh!zt against bears
the farcial recognition software don't work on fur
 

AnnaG

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its the mental drugs
it makes you yanks crazy


there is a camp for such crazys
its called washington
ours is called 24 sussex drive
its not exactly the high arctic but they do get a visit from the Bonhomme once a year
hahaha

Britain is a freer, more democratic country than America.
Is that why you can't move a millimeter without being in view of CCTV? YAY FREEDOM!


London - Population: 8.6 million. Number of murders committed in London in 2014: 93.

New York City - Population: 8.4 million. Number of murders committed in New York City in 2014: 190

Chicago - Population: 2.6 million. Number of murders committed in Chicago in 2014: 244

Baltimore - Population: 621,000. Number of murders committed in Baltimore in 2014: 138

Milwaukee - Population: 595,000 (over 14 times smaller than London's). Number of murders committed in Milwaukee in 2014: 59 (not far off half the number in London, a much, much bigger city)

Toronto - Population: 2.6 million. Number of murders committed in Toronto in 2014: 79
(just 14 less than London despite being around a third London's size)

In Canada in 2009, there were 610 murders.

In the United States in 2009, there were 13,636 murders.

In the UK in 2009, there were 626 murders, of which a grand total of 39 - just 39 - were caused by guns.

The UK's population is around twice that of Canada's and around a fifth that of the US, yet the number of people murdered in the UK in 2009 was almost exactly the same as Canada and almost 22 times less than the number of people killed in the US in the same year.


All in all, when it comes to my chances of being murdered, I thank God that I live in Britain and not the US or Canada.
Where is that from? How old is that info?
 

taxslave

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That's true. Although I think you're giving people too much benefit of the doubt. I would like to think that way too but have you seen this place?

I bet people would focus on guns whether it was presented as the primary argument or the secondary argument. The culture argument is actually one the pro-gun folk can use to support their point. But do we really think they are interested in more than the standard platitudes? For most people this debate is about advocating gun rights or advocating gun control. Actually analyzing the problem and finding a solution is not on their radar.

It is not so much gun rights as civil rights and democracy. For some reason when it comes to guns the anti crowd are quite prepared to throw personal property and civil rights under the bus. SOme of the advocates of gun control are so far out there they want to ban all guns from the hands of law abiding citizens including for hunting and target shooting but can never explain how this is going to take guns out of the hands of criminals.Or government agencies.
 

B00Mer

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It is not so much gun rights as civil rights and democracy. For some reason when it comes to guns the anti crowd are quite prepared to throw personal property and civil rights under the bus. SOme of the advocates of gun control are so far out there they want to ban all guns from the hands of law abiding citizens including for hunting and target shooting but can never explain how this is going to take guns out of the hands of criminals.Or government agencies.

Then the question is of collecting all those guns, which are now illegal.. best of luck.

I guess that is why so many people are risking going to gun shows in the U.S. And smuggling the guns back to Canada.. Calgary, well Alberta and Saskatchewan have a lot of folks that do this.. Maybe High River gun seizure set that off.
 

AnnaG

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It is interesting that there are probably at least twice as many firearms in Canada than the gov't thinks there are, yet our crime rate involving firearms is pretty low.
Mostly it is criminal elements that perp the crimes. And they are criminals because obviously they couldn't care less about people or laws.
 

AnnaG

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Curious Cdn

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Sad as these occurences are the murder rate in the US has been dropping steadily for the past 20 years, from a high of almost 25,000 in the earlly 90's to less than 15,000 in 2014 even though thepopulation has grown 25% in that time.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
It's been dropping steadily here too during the samne period, hence the need for all oif the new prison space that's been built and draconian tough-on-crime laws that have have been passed in the last decade.
 

Serryah

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More laws and more gun free zones won't solve the problem, that's what's funny.

Except the college wasn't a gun free zone, and there were people that day on campus with guns.

And they didn't step up to 'be the good guy with a gun', for very good effin' reasons.

No, more laws won't work, not because they don't, but because the American public does not care enough about those who died by such means, and those who could still die by mass shooting.

American lives don't matter to other Americans, unless it's some foreign towel-head, Russian, Slanty-eyed, terrorist type threatening them, then all of a sudden "'Murica!"

The US Government doesn't have a solution because people like the NRA and other "My 2nd Amendment rights trump your right to life!" types don't want a solution, unless it's more guns, cause more guns means safer or something. If they don't have their 2nd Amendment sookie blankets/soothers/visible penile overcompensation apparatus, they turn into little kids that throw themselves down in department stores because mommy and daddy won't let them get the pretty shiny.

It's sad, it's pathetic, it's a total lack of regard for ANY human life (besides their own). The only reason I care anymore is because I worry about my friends in the US dying some day because some "person" decided to get a bunch of guns legally but then decided to do something illegal with them and finally make themselves a criminal (since you know, before the first gunshot, they're not criminals at all).

And remember kids, they're not crazy until they pull the trigger, and then "oh my god he was nuts" finally becomes a 'concern'.


For the record, guns to hunt are fine, guns to have as a collector thing are fine, guns for target practice stuff is fine.

That said, kids should be taught how to handle guns safely, guns should be locked away with a key out of reach of said kids, ammunition should never be in the same safe as a gun unless in a separate lock box and anyone that buys a certain range of ammunition within a six month period should be flagged and sent off to law enforcement so they can be checked into WHY they need six thousand rounds of ammo in their possession (because "'just cause" is not an answer and we learn this as children). Smart guns should be promoted, you don't need military grade guns in your civilian home, and if someone in your immediate family has mental issues, that means you are no longer allowed to own guns where they can easily get them. If you have a history of violence, you can't own guns. If you are mentally unstable and a violent person and are found in possession of a weapon, automatic charges and jail or prison time as you are a danger to the public. All of these are good suggestions to at least start a discussion about some sort of control on guns.

Which means no one will give a crap because, "Guns!"
 

JLM

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Just heard on the idiot box this morning the wisest statement I've heard in awhile.........."a gun is like a screwdriver, would you ban a screwdriver" and that came out of Douglas County in Oregon where the mass murders were committed!
 

AnnaG

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Hubby and I have been saying for years that firearms are only tools. Some people abuse them, but most don't. I haven't heard anyone wanting to ban them since Allan Rockhead threatened that, though.
 

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Hubby and I have been saying for years that firearms are only tools. Some people abuse them, but most don't. I haven't heard anyone wanting to ban them since Allan Rockhead threatened that, though.
Meh, if we ban them all we'll get out of it is the nancys shrieking about the troubling wave of crossbow homicides.
 

AnnaG

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Meh, if we ban them all we'll get out of it is the nancys shrieking about the troubling wave of crossbow homicides.
Crossbows are restricted over here: RCMP says, "Crossbows that can be aimed and fired with one hand and crossbows with an overall length of 500 mm or less are prohibited. You cannot lawfully possess or acquire a prohibited crossbow."

and in the UK, there seems to be a big issue about knives. One reason I don't want a Gliberal gov't is because they will catch wind of the knife problem in Britland and want all knives registered here and waste another $2 billion or so and turn half the cooks in Canada into criminals.
 

AnnaG

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hehe "I am just like Rambo and I have a gun. I am dangerous, so don't mess with me. "
BANG BANG BRRRRRRAP
"What da fukk wazzat? Gunfire? I'm outta here".
Humans are an interesting species.
 
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