Marijuana Party Leader Joins Liberals
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Twila, RB:
That's a very strange perspective. Before I can have a right to speak against marijuana, I have to experience a high. Should this criteria be used in every situation???
Should we speak out against prostitution if we've never used a prostitute?? How about child pornography?? etc??
There are things which we simply know are wrong without having to experience them.
That's a very strange perspective. Before I can have a right to speak against marijuana, I have to experience a high. Should this criteria be used in every situation???
Should we speak out against prostitution if we've never used a prostitute?? How about child pornography?? etc??
There are things which we simply know are wrong without having to experience them.
RE: Marijuana Party Leade
It's because you suffer from reefer madness syndrome, tibear. You have no idea what marijuana actually does so you attribute all kinds of things to it that aren't true.
It's because you suffer from reefer madness syndrome, tibear. You have no idea what marijuana actually does so you attribute all kinds of things to it that aren't true.
RB,
I've seen many people who are high on various drugs doing stupid and dangerous things that they would never do if they weren't under the influence.
I can honestly say that this is something that I have never and would never consider a "good" thing.
All one needs to see is the effects and behaviour of another to see the dangers.
Then when you put in the family issues that arise and crime statistics that surround the drug industry. i.e. break&enters, mugging, bank robbing, etc the evidence is pretty overwhelming that these drugs are harmful to society.
I've seen many people who are high on various drugs doing stupid and dangerous things that they would never do if they weren't under the influence.
I can honestly say that this is something that I have never and would never consider a "good" thing.
All one needs to see is the effects and behaviour of another to see the dangers.
Then when you put in the family issues that arise and crime statistics that surround the drug industry. i.e. break&enters, mugging, bank robbing, etc the evidence is pretty overwhelming that these drugs are harmful to society.
Nearly all my stupid,inappropriate,and illegal actions were as a result of my once severe alcohol intake,while smoking a few joints just mellowed me out. My big problem with the stuff was that it led to snacking binges..
RE: Marijuana Party Leade
Yup...read what Missile just wrote, tibear. You'll hear that again and again.
Also, all the examples you gave are things people do to buy addictive drugs (not marijuana) and have more to do with the inflated prices of those drugs due to their prohibition than the drugs themselves.
We've been trying your way for close to a century, tibear. Things have gotten worse. Quit trying to legislate your puritanical moral code on the rest of us.
Yup...read what Missile just wrote, tibear. You'll hear that again and again.
Also, all the examples you gave are things people do to buy addictive drugs (not marijuana) and have more to do with the inflated prices of those drugs due to their prohibition than the drugs themselves.
We've been trying your way for close to a century, tibear. Things have gotten worse. Quit trying to legislate your puritanical moral code on the rest of us.
Missile,
That's right, let's disregard all of the known problems with the drug industry and instead concentrate on the possibility that maybe some of the alocoholics may not have as many problems with other drugs as they do with alcohol.
The problem with alcoholics, generally speaking, is that they are addicts. It just so happens their drug of choice is alcohol. If they move to another drug, in all likelihood, they will also abuse that drug.
The difference between alcohol and as marijuana is that with alcohol only the consumer is being hurt while the marijuana has the second-hand smoke concerns. All of the other issues that alcohol has are shared by marijuana, including, driving under the influence, distance from family members, stealing to get their drugs, etc.
That's right, let's disregard all of the known problems with the drug industry and instead concentrate on the possibility that maybe some of the alocoholics may not have as many problems with other drugs as they do with alcohol.
The problem with alcoholics, generally speaking, is that they are addicts. It just so happens their drug of choice is alcohol. If they move to another drug, in all likelihood, they will also abuse that drug.
The difference between alcohol and as marijuana is that with alcohol only the consumer is being hurt while the marijuana has the second-hand smoke concerns. All of the other issues that alcohol has are shared by marijuana, including, driving under the influence, distance from family members, stealing to get their drugs, etc.
All I can go by is my own experiences. I doubt that anything I write will change your viewpoint. Just my opinion here,but I'd be for a ban on all hard liquors..beer and wine are soft drinks to this exdrinker! Marijuana is also just a soft drug-and that's why I am pro use. I have to admit that I haven't used any for 10 years,and 20 since i took the pledge.
Missile,
As you can probably guess, I've never experimented with any drugs.
But from what I understand the marijuana that is available today is alot more potent than the stuff you had 10 years ago. For all intensive purposes we are talking about two different drugs.
As you can probably guess, I've never experimented with any drugs.
But from what I understand the marijuana that is available today is alot more potent than the stuff you had 10 years ago. For all intensive purposes we are talking about two different drugs.
RE: Marijuana Party Leade
Not really, tibear. It's a little stronger, but not really much different than the sensimilia we used to search out when pot still had names.
Marijuana has never been shown to be physically addictive in a reliable, peer-reviewed study.
Give this a shot, Tibear. Go buy yourself a bag of dope. Go to the video store and rent Reefer Madness. Smoke the dope, watch the movie. You'll like it, it's fun. You'll also learn where your attitudes come from...the lies you've been told and are now (hopefully unknowingly) perpetuating.
Not really, tibear. It's a little stronger, but not really much different than the sensimilia we used to search out when pot still had names.
Marijuana has never been shown to be physically addictive in a reliable, peer-reviewed study.
Give this a shot, Tibear. Go buy yourself a bag of dope. Go to the video store and rent Reefer Madness. Smoke the dope, watch the movie. You'll like it, it's fun. You'll also learn where your attitudes come from...the lies you've been told and are now (hopefully unknowingly) perpetuating.
RB,
Sorry not going to happen.
As for the physically addictive, that is certainly up for debate but there is not only physical addiction but emotional addictions. I think alot of the 'pot heads' have this emotional addiction, in that they have problems in their lives and found that marijuana provided a way to 'get away from things'. Pretty soon, they were running away from everything.
One of the problems with marijuana is that it is a cheap drug and so is the drug of choice for teenagers. How many teenagers do you know that don't think they have problems?? Either with their parents, school, work, their looks, boy/girl friend, etc. They try the marijuana and find that it gives them a break from their perceived problems and some of them simply continue to use marijuana because they don't want to face reality, they see the real world as too hard.
Another major problem with teenage use is that once they try marijuana some of them completely fall apart in their school work and it ruins their lives, not just now but forever. My wife works in a high school, she doesn't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of 'A' students that have dropped to 'D' or 'F''s and it is found out that these kids are now doing drugs.
BTW, could you please expand on the 'lies' that i've been spreading with regards to drug use??
Sorry not going to happen.
As for the physically addictive, that is certainly up for debate but there is not only physical addiction but emotional addictions. I think alot of the 'pot heads' have this emotional addiction, in that they have problems in their lives and found that marijuana provided a way to 'get away from things'. Pretty soon, they were running away from everything.
One of the problems with marijuana is that it is a cheap drug and so is the drug of choice for teenagers. How many teenagers do you know that don't think they have problems?? Either with their parents, school, work, their looks, boy/girl friend, etc. They try the marijuana and find that it gives them a break from their perceived problems and some of them simply continue to use marijuana because they don't want to face reality, they see the real world as too hard.
Another major problem with teenage use is that once they try marijuana some of them completely fall apart in their school work and it ruins their lives, not just now but forever. My wife works in a high school, she doesn't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of 'A' students that have dropped to 'D' or 'F''s and it is found out that these kids are now doing drugs.
BTW, could you please expand on the 'lies' that i've been spreading with regards to drug use??
RE: Marijuana Party Leade
Which is why you should only ever smoke pot in an enclosed room.....
Off Topic here but:
Not one arguement has been made against marijuana that can't be said for alcohol. To each his/her own......
I have yet to hear about someone robbing a bank to get a nother fix of pot. I have never seen orheard about anyone shooting or killing someone to get another fix of pot.
The people that become addicted to reality altering substances (be they drink or drug) are addicted not to the substance but to the effect. Which means that they have emotional issues to deal with. It's not the pot,,,its not the alcohol.....it's not anyting to do with substance abuse....it's all about issues they aren't dealing with...... Ask any pyschiatrist.
Which is why you should only ever smoke pot in an enclosed room.....
Off Topic here but:
It's actually for all intense AND purposes. Sorry. totally off topic and completely a non issue......
Not one arguement has been made against marijuana that can't be said for alcohol. To each his/her own......
I have yet to hear about someone robbing a bank to get a nother fix of pot. I have never seen orheard about anyone shooting or killing someone to get another fix of pot.
The people that become addicted to reality altering substances (be they drink or drug) are addicted not to the substance but to the effect. Which means that they have emotional issues to deal with. It's not the pot,,,its not the alcohol.....it's not anyting to do with substance abuse....it's all about issues they aren't dealing with...... Ask any pyschiatrist.
It's not up for debate. We are talking about peer-reviewed scientific studies. There hasn't been one that has found marijuana to be physically addictive.
Twila,
Here is but one story that states quite clearly that most bank robberies are a result of drug users trying to get money for their habit: http://www.thelantern.com/news/2003/03/11/Campus/Bank-Robberies.Up.In.Numbers-390609.shtml
Your right that alcohol has just as many problems related to it as illegal drugs. Here we have a legal drug that a portion of the population have trouble dealing with.
What I'm hearing is that the solution is to make other drugs that have the exact same issues available to these people. How can possibly help??? By making these other drugs more accessible we're going to have more problems then ever before.
Its a known fact that one of the main problems the natives had was when the European's introduced alcohol to them. It completely destroyed their culture. Yet, it seems that everyone here is advocating doing the same thing to our society now but making other drugs readily accessible to people.
Here is but one story that states quite clearly that most bank robberies are a result of drug users trying to get money for their habit: http://www.thelantern.com/news/2003/03/11/Campus/Bank-Robberies.Up.In.Numbers-390609.shtml
Your right that alcohol has just as many problems related to it as illegal drugs. Here we have a legal drug that a portion of the population have trouble dealing with.
What I'm hearing is that the solution is to make other drugs that have the exact same issues available to these people. How can possibly help??? By making these other drugs more accessible we're going to have more problems then ever before.
Its a known fact that one of the main problems the natives had was when the European's introduced alcohol to them. It completely destroyed their culture. Yet, it seems that everyone here is advocating doing the same thing to our society now but making other drugs readily accessible to people.
RB,
Here is a site that reportedly says that there are some addictive properties:http://www.drug-rehabilitation.com/marijuana_addiction.htm#addictive
Here is a site that reportedly says that there are some addictive properties:http://www.drug-rehabilitation.com/marijuana_addiction.htm#addictive
RE: Marijuana Party Leade
That isn't a peer-reviewed scientific study. It's an advertisement for a treatment centre.
You are also still trying to compare marijuana to drugs like heroin and cocaine. The only similarities are that all are illegal.
That isn't a peer-reviewed scientific study. It's an advertisement for a treatment centre.
You are also still trying to compare marijuana to drugs like heroin and cocaine. The only similarities are that all are illegal.