Marijuana Party Leader Joins Liberals

Twila

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RE: Marijuana Party Leade

Quite on the contrary, very few cultures have a history of marijuana use.

uhmmm. Well there's the Natives of north america and the rastifarians, then theirs the Indians (of India. Many who toke but don't drink) and the wiccan's of all over.....and then there's the other pagen groups that use marijuana in a spiritual way.....
There's also has been a large group of christians through out history who have used marijuanna in many different ways as proscribed by their interpretations of certain passages in the bible........
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Marijuana Party Leade

Eastern Europeans used it for everything from a medicine to a way to keep bugs out of the garden (ask an old Ukrainian woman sometime). Africans (various groups) used different types according to what they were doing...including a strain that made them brave in battle. The word assassin comes from the Arabic "hashishan" a religious sect that smoked dope and were also adept assassins. Even George Washington is known to have smoked hemp.

Marijuana is one of the most common plants on earth and has been used by almost every culture around to some extent.
 

zenfisher

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Not too mention ( as they didn't) ...How many of those 125 heroin addicts drank alcohol before they tried pot.The stat is skewed.

I didn't really think the legislation was aimed at providing Marijuana to teens... I thought, that, like with alcohol, legalization was for adults.
 

missile

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Just from my personal experience of using marijuana,I never even found it to be as addictive as tobacco. And,the only other drug it led me to was good old LSD. None of the other old hippies I know have used anything else but marijuana.
 

tibear

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How many people who use marijuana, can honestly say that it was the first drug they used but after a while wanted to try others. I'm not saying they 'moved on' but that marijuana is the first illegal drug many people use because it is the cheapest and after experiencing highs want to see what the other drugs can do.

Why would so many reputable organizations that I quoted from earlier have so many concerns regarding marijuana use if this drug truly was harmless???
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Marijuana Party Leade

The drug most people try first is alcohol, tibear. There is no such thing as a Gateway drug. That theory has been discredited so many times that it's become a running gag.
 

tibear

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RB,

Running gag only in the drug circles.

I will agree that virtually every person who does drugs starts with alcohol and then moves up to others. However, alcohol is a legal product as is tobacco. If alcohol and tobacco are causing alot of problems then perhaps the government should look at making them illegal and only making exceptions in certain situations. Similar to the proposed marijuana law.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Marijuana Party Leade

Prohibition doesn't work, tibear. You cannot legislate morality. The drug war has failed, the prohibition of alcohol failed spectacularly.
 

tibear

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Should we simply may every drug level?? At what point would you draw the line on drugs???

I agree with you that prohibition failed and would never work but what is the line???
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Marijuana Party Leade

There is no line, tibear. You treat it for what it is...a medical problem. You use education. All outlawing it does is cause the people who need help to hide and make the criminals rich.
 

tibear

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RB,

At least your consistent. That I admire.

So open drugs for everyone, marijuana, cocaine , crystal-meth, heroin, crack, etc.

Interesting. Not sure if I'd like to live in that world but it would be interesting.
 

Twila

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RE: Marijuana Party Leade

They've made some alcohol illegal here in Canada. Absynthe is not legally sold here in North America. At least not the Real version.

So why couldn't some drugs be legal?
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Marijuana Party Leade

They were all legal before, Tibear. You didn't even need a prescription. A ten year old could wander into Ye Olde Apothecary and pick them up without even a note from their mother.

There weren't massive addiction problems.
 

Karlin

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Re: Marijuana is health giving

Reverend Blair said:

That I'm a chain-smoker, tibear. I have a hand-rolled cigarette prepared from some fine Dutch halfzware shag hanging out of my mouth as type this.

I hardly ever smoke pot though. I don't care if other people do, and I'm a believer in its medicinal benefits, but I'm not a big fan of that particular high.

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Maybe you should try a little harder Rev? -

How about this: "cannibus lessens the harmfull effects of smoking tobacco" ? WOW! wouldn't that be a blockbuster? [its true!]

There are so many health benefits to marijuana. They are not well known because the pharmaceutical industry would lose half their business to pot.
I don't know for sure that toking will take the smoking harms away, nobody does because nobody looked into it yet, scientifically.

What I am sure of is that they find "hyper-inflated lungs" amongst the dope smokers, and shrivelled up dark lungs in tobacco smokers. "Hyperinflated" might not be great, but its better than shrivlled and dark. This is just something noticed by x-ray techs in the normal course of their duties... nobody is looking into it scientifically, as I said allready. If "they" were looking out for our health and not just for profits, this would be a well-known fact by now.

"Hyperinflated lungs" have allowed me to be the wind player [sax] with the longest held note, the mountain climber with the most wind when others are gasping, and I can swim two lengths underwater in one breath. I give the credit to smoking pot.

Pot could be a cancer fighter too - maybe it simply keeps cancer cells from starting. We don't know, but it appears to be true that pot smokers don't get cancer at the high rates of non-tokers.

Ray Charles could have had his sight saved when he was a youngster if they gave him pot - occular pressure is lowered when cannibus is administered, and thats exactly what blinded him, and many others. Thats right - the medical people LET blindness occur rather than admitting to the health benefits of pot!!!

Many other examples exist. Compare to: "all the harm of pot comes from its legal status"... including the paranoia feeling from toking - isn't that reasonable Rev, that you don't enjoy the stone of pot due to its legal status, all these years of prohibition?

We won't know about all of the health benefits of pot until we get out from under the pharmaceutical company's rule over "modern medicine". They own the medical schools and fund all programs along with government help, but govt does not interfere with cirriculum. They run the licencing boards, and if you have ideas about changing things, your licence will be ripped up on the spot. Their drug reps will visit your medical clinics and make sure you are following protocols, for which you will be richly rewarded.

And pharmacy were the ones who first supported the prohibition of marijuana, way back in the 1920s. The pharmacy funded the womens sufferage movement, and pigtailed prohibition on the backs of those ladies' concerns for womens rights like voting. Its all very tricky, and its all very wrong to continue marijuan prohibition.

Underlying the trade and military disputes are the rights of Canadians to access medicines as they see fit. The pharmaceutical industry is at the centre of so much evil, with connections to the American military [their biggest customer]. They are cross-invested with the fossil fuels industry and the weapons makers. And that is all wrapped up in Christian fundamentalists, the same types as the women of the sufferage movement who outlawed pot.

Can we start to see the truth here?? Gay rights, trade issues, pot as medicine VS the spreading of freedom??? Such hypocracy must be defeated. We will win, and we will do it peacefully despite the best efforts of America to make it about "military might means defining of rights".

This is what we are up against when we demand pot as medicine... and so a federal politician in favour of outing the farce of prohibition is a bid deal A very big deal.

Karlin
 

tibear

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Karlin,

How about removing the THC component from marijuana and seeing what the medicinal benefits are???
 

Reverend Blair

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There are so many health benefits to marijuana. They are not well known because the pharmaceutical industry would lose half their business to pot.
I don't know for sure that toking will take the smoking harms away, nobody does because nobody looked into it yet, scientifically.

Did you read the recent Walrus article on pharmaceuticals and marijuana, Karlin? If not, I suggest that you do. If they had their way, they'd have you arrested for even typing what you just did.

How about removing the THC component from marijuana and seeing what the medicinal benefits are???

First of all THC is just one of the many cannabinoids in marijuana, Tibear. Second of all, it has beneficial effects as well.

Why are you so afraid that somebody might get high, anyway?
 

tibear

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First because it destroys brain cells and many people can't afford to lose the ones they have because they don't appear to have too many to begin with.

Secondly, the same reason why we don't want people getting drunk.

However, many people drink without the express purpose of getting drunk, but most drug users use drugs for the sole purpose of getting high. People losing perspective on reality isn't a good thing, they tend to hurt themselves or others.
 

Reverend Blair

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First because it destroys brain cells and many people can't afford to lose the ones they have because they don't appear to have too many to begin with.

Actually marijuana has little long-term effect on brain cells.

Secondly, the same reason why we don't want people getting drunk.

Who is this "we" and why are they afraid of people having a bit of fun?

People losing perspective on reality isn't a good thing, they tend to hurt themselves or others.

People have been getting high for as long as there have been people, tibear.
 

tibear

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RB,

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People losing perspective on reality isn't a good thing, they tend to hurt themselves or others.


People have been getting high for as long as there have been people, tibear.

Yes and there has been many other activities that have been going on for a long time. Should this be the criteria for making things legal???

Losing control of one self and making a fool of yourself isn't my idea of fun, but to each his own.