Marijuana Party Leader Joins Liberals
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Ehm...no you do not report it to me...at the bottom of each post is a Xreport. You can make your complaint there. Take your whine to him, the wizard.
Andem,
I assume that you are aware of the drug laws in this country?? How can you honestly sit there and say that noone in this forum is "conspiring to commit an illegal activity"????
Simple possession of certain drugs is illegal, heck we have an entire section of this forum dedicated to pro-marijuana use. This isn't condoning illegal activities????
If this forum isn't promoting illegal activities, would it be possible to open a forum regarding perhaps break and enter techniques??
I assume that you are aware of the drug laws in this country?? How can you honestly sit there and say that noone in this forum is "conspiring to commit an illegal activity"????
Simple possession of certain drugs is illegal, heck we have an entire section of this forum dedicated to pro-marijuana use. This isn't condoning illegal activities????
If this forum isn't promoting illegal activities, would it be possible to open a forum regarding perhaps break and enter techniques??
There is very definite difference between promoting changing a stupid section of the legal code and breaking the law, tibear. Nobody on here has given instructions on how grow or prune pot plants, how sell pot, or even the best ways to smoke it.
Stupid in who's eyes??
Your and your group wouldn't be trying to force your views and lifestyle onto the rest of us are you???
I think we can both agree that many people on this forum are in favour of possessing and using marijuana and that my friend is illegal in this country. Perhaps the forum rules need to be changed if Andem doesn't have any problems with the way the discussions are happening here.
Your and your group wouldn't be trying to force your views and lifestyle onto the rest of us are you???
I think we can both agree that many people on this forum are in favour of possessing and using marijuana and that my friend is illegal in this country. Perhaps the forum rules need to be changed if Andem doesn't have any problems with the way the discussions are happening here.
According to the polls, 60% to 80% of Canadians.
I would no more force you to take drugs than I would force you to have an abortion, tibear.
Being in favour is not illegal, neither is using it. Of the three things you mentioned only possession is illegal.
RB,
Taken right off the government website,
So now two out of three are illegal. I didn't look into the justice site to look at all the various laws, but I'm assuming that the government did the research before posting this information on their website.
BTW, surprise, surprise I don't believe your numbers with respect to the number of people favouring the decriminalization of marijuana.
Taken right off the government website,
So now two out of three are illegal. I didn't look into the justice site to look at all the various laws, but I'm assuming that the government did the research before posting this information on their website.
BTW, surprise, surprise I don't believe your numbers with respect to the number of people favouring the decriminalization of marijuana.
Well surprise surprise we expected nothing less of you tibear...
Marijuana Growth in BC
An edited version appeared in the National Post, June 17, 2004
Author(s):
Dr. Stephen T. Easton, SFU Professor of Economics and Senior Fellow, The Fraser Institute
Email: stevee@fraserinstitute.ca
Release Date : June 17, 2004
Should Marijuana in Canada be grown, regulated and taxed like any other commodity? At the present time there is little evidence that the prohibition on production and consumption is successful in making it unavailable. For those of you who doubt, ask a child whether he or she knows someone in school from whom they could get marijuana. In fact, nineteen percent of children between the ages of 12 and 15 and twenty-three percent of all Canadians over the age of fifteen have tried it (and presumably inhaled), and nearly two million are currently using. These numbers are likely to increase, as most Canadians who have never used are today’s seniors. Boomers are, or were, in the vanguard of users, and younger people use more frequently than older folks.
Marijuana cultivation can be found across Canada and British Columbia has been a particular locus of production. To give some idea of the scale of operations, in year 2000 there were 2,800 “busts” of marijuana grow operations in BC. If the police were able to find and demolish ten percent of all “grow ops” in the province, it suggests that there were 28,000 out there. Based on a little economic theory and modest data, I estimate there are about 17,000 -18,000 marijuana grow operations at this time. Since the average operation that was busted had 180 plants and each plant yields about 33 grams of usable marijuana dry, British Columbia’s commercial production is probably in the range of 400,000 kilograms (using the conservative assumption that there are 4 crops a year).
This is a lot of product and it is worth a lot of money although exactly how much depends in part on the units in which the crop is measured. A kilogram of marijuana may sell for as much as $5,000 wholesale. If these production estimates are reasonable, then the value of the BC crop is worth something like $2 billion at the wholesale level. Naturally, retail would sell for far more. Marijuana purchased for $15 by the gram makes a kilogram worth $15,000. Using these units would inflate the final value of the crop by a factor of three. How big is this? In 2000 the gross domestic product of British Columbia was roughly $130 billion, so that depending how you want to value local production, sales of marijuana output amounts to between 1.5 and 4.6 percent of the province’s GDP.
Since British Columbia is likely to consume only 30,000 or so kilograms, the rest is destined for markets in the US or the rest of Canada.
There are other consequences of the marijuana prohibition. Resources are used not only for finding marijuana grow operations, but are also needed to prosecute and penalize offenders. In 2001, 50,000 Canadians were charged with possession, 11,000 with trafficking, and 9,000 with cultivation. This should be expected since there are currently nearly two million Canadians who use marijuana.
A difficult issue to forecast is what might happen if marijuana were made legal. Should the price of marijuana fall, as we would expect, usage would rise. This is unacceptable to many. One strategy could be to tax marijuana at a rate that keeps the current retail price the same. To the extent that consumers are paying it now, there is no reason to believe that they would not be willing to pay the same for the product when legal. An estimate of the retail price of a marijuana cigarette puts it at about $8.50 while the cost of production is $1.50. This would imply a tax rate of $7 per cigarette that would keep prices the same as they are now. If domestic consumption is in the range of 160,000 kilograms and a cigarette is about half a gram, then tax revenue implied by this standstill arrangement is over $2 billion. This is some carrot, and it would have additional advantages.
At the present time, the differential between final sales price and the cost of production goes to distribution costs and profit. In many cases these profits are going to organized crime and provide base funding for unsavory activities that most of us abhor. Were marijuana legal, these funds would no longer be available for mob use. In 1917-18 in Canada, and in the 1920s and early 1930s in the US, alcohol production and consumption was heavily restricted or prohibited. Gangsters like Al Capone were able to use the profits from illegal alcohol production to build criminal empires whose legacies we continue to live with nearly a century later. Removing alcohol prohibition generated many problems, but none like those afflicting society in the days of Murder Inc and their ilk.
Potentially, the biggest problem Canada would have if we were to legalize marijuana is with the United States. If the US were to add to the frictions of trade by requiring special inspections and the like, then there is no doubt that this could damage our income far beyond any advantage that could be had through legalization of marijuana. It is ironic that legalization and regulation in Canada might do more to reduce the flow of marijuana to the US than a continuation of currently illegal production and extensive exportation. Legal producers risk losing their licenses for profitable enterprise through illegal sales, and these same producers certainly would not want competitors illegally profiting through exports. The industry would have incentives to comply with local production regulations although as long as the US retains prohibition, the incentive to supply the US market continues to provide lucrative opportunities.
As more and more Canadians are of a generation for whom marijuana is not an unknown commodity, it seems likely that our attitudes and laws will more faithfully reflect our experiences. Marijuana consumption is widespread in Canada and has been for some time. Production gives every indication of being widespread. Consequently, the broader social question becomes not whether we approve or disapprove of local production, but rather who shall enjoy the spoils. If we treat it like any other commodity we can tax it, regulate it, and use the resources the industry generates rather than continue a war against consumption and production that has long since been lost. What is the appropriate policy? How do we weight the US response? These are the kinds of issues we should be discussing with respect to marijuana.
There are plenty of other studies at SFU you can read to...But of course your answer is not finding answers to problems, you would have us believe that prohibition is the answer, when in fact history tell us the exact opposite. Thank goodness that the majority of canadians will do whatever it takes to see that the conservatives never have the opportunity to bring this country back to the stone age.
Marijuana Growth in BC
An edited version appeared in the National Post, June 17, 2004
Author(s):
Dr. Stephen T. Easton, SFU Professor of Economics and Senior Fellow, The Fraser Institute
Email: stevee@fraserinstitute.ca
Release Date : June 17, 2004
Should Marijuana in Canada be grown, regulated and taxed like any other commodity? At the present time there is little evidence that the prohibition on production and consumption is successful in making it unavailable. For those of you who doubt, ask a child whether he or she knows someone in school from whom they could get marijuana. In fact, nineteen percent of children between the ages of 12 and 15 and twenty-three percent of all Canadians over the age of fifteen have tried it (and presumably inhaled), and nearly two million are currently using. These numbers are likely to increase, as most Canadians who have never used are today’s seniors. Boomers are, or were, in the vanguard of users, and younger people use more frequently than older folks.
Marijuana cultivation can be found across Canada and British Columbia has been a particular locus of production. To give some idea of the scale of operations, in year 2000 there were 2,800 “busts” of marijuana grow operations in BC. If the police were able to find and demolish ten percent of all “grow ops” in the province, it suggests that there were 28,000 out there. Based on a little economic theory and modest data, I estimate there are about 17,000 -18,000 marijuana grow operations at this time. Since the average operation that was busted had 180 plants and each plant yields about 33 grams of usable marijuana dry, British Columbia’s commercial production is probably in the range of 400,000 kilograms (using the conservative assumption that there are 4 crops a year).
This is a lot of product and it is worth a lot of money although exactly how much depends in part on the units in which the crop is measured. A kilogram of marijuana may sell for as much as $5,000 wholesale. If these production estimates are reasonable, then the value of the BC crop is worth something like $2 billion at the wholesale level. Naturally, retail would sell for far more. Marijuana purchased for $15 by the gram makes a kilogram worth $15,000. Using these units would inflate the final value of the crop by a factor of three. How big is this? In 2000 the gross domestic product of British Columbia was roughly $130 billion, so that depending how you want to value local production, sales of marijuana output amounts to between 1.5 and 4.6 percent of the province’s GDP.
Since British Columbia is likely to consume only 30,000 or so kilograms, the rest is destined for markets in the US or the rest of Canada.
There are other consequences of the marijuana prohibition. Resources are used not only for finding marijuana grow operations, but are also needed to prosecute and penalize offenders. In 2001, 50,000 Canadians were charged with possession, 11,000 with trafficking, and 9,000 with cultivation. This should be expected since there are currently nearly two million Canadians who use marijuana.
A difficult issue to forecast is what might happen if marijuana were made legal. Should the price of marijuana fall, as we would expect, usage would rise. This is unacceptable to many. One strategy could be to tax marijuana at a rate that keeps the current retail price the same. To the extent that consumers are paying it now, there is no reason to believe that they would not be willing to pay the same for the product when legal. An estimate of the retail price of a marijuana cigarette puts it at about $8.50 while the cost of production is $1.50. This would imply a tax rate of $7 per cigarette that would keep prices the same as they are now. If domestic consumption is in the range of 160,000 kilograms and a cigarette is about half a gram, then tax revenue implied by this standstill arrangement is over $2 billion. This is some carrot, and it would have additional advantages.
At the present time, the differential between final sales price and the cost of production goes to distribution costs and profit. In many cases these profits are going to organized crime and provide base funding for unsavory activities that most of us abhor. Were marijuana legal, these funds would no longer be available for mob use. In 1917-18 in Canada, and in the 1920s and early 1930s in the US, alcohol production and consumption was heavily restricted or prohibited. Gangsters like Al Capone were able to use the profits from illegal alcohol production to build criminal empires whose legacies we continue to live with nearly a century later. Removing alcohol prohibition generated many problems, but none like those afflicting society in the days of Murder Inc and their ilk.
Potentially, the biggest problem Canada would have if we were to legalize marijuana is with the United States. If the US were to add to the frictions of trade by requiring special inspections and the like, then there is no doubt that this could damage our income far beyond any advantage that could be had through legalization of marijuana. It is ironic that legalization and regulation in Canada might do more to reduce the flow of marijuana to the US than a continuation of currently illegal production and extensive exportation. Legal producers risk losing their licenses for profitable enterprise through illegal sales, and these same producers certainly would not want competitors illegally profiting through exports. The industry would have incentives to comply with local production regulations although as long as the US retains prohibition, the incentive to supply the US market continues to provide lucrative opportunities.
As more and more Canadians are of a generation for whom marijuana is not an unknown commodity, it seems likely that our attitudes and laws will more faithfully reflect our experiences. Marijuana consumption is widespread in Canada and has been for some time. Production gives every indication of being widespread. Consequently, the broader social question becomes not whether we approve or disapprove of local production, but rather who shall enjoy the spoils. If we treat it like any other commodity we can tax it, regulate it, and use the resources the industry generates rather than continue a war against consumption and production that has long since been lost. What is the appropriate policy? How do we weight the US response? These are the kinds of issues we should be discussing with respect to marijuana.
There are plenty of other studies at SFU you can read to...But of course your answer is not finding answers to problems, you would have us believe that prohibition is the answer, when in fact history tell us the exact opposite. Thank goodness that the majority of canadians will do whatever it takes to see that the conservatives never have the opportunity to bring this country back to the stone age.
RE: Marijuana Party Leade
But use is only illegal insofar as you have to possess marijuana to use it. There is no charge of "using marijuana," only of of possession of marijuana. Back to only one of the three, tibear.
I really don't give a flying ***naughty word*** at a rolling doughnut if you believe the polls or not. Those are the range of numbers I've seen. As you can see, it's quite a range. That's because there have been a variety of polls with a variety of questions.
But use is only illegal insofar as you have to possess marijuana to use it. There is no charge of "using marijuana," only of of possession of marijuana. Back to only one of the three, tibear.
I really don't give a flying ***naughty word*** at a rolling doughnut if you believe the polls or not. Those are the range of numbers I've seen. As you can see, it's quite a range. That's because there have been a variety of polls with a variety of questions.
Trudeau suggested that Government has no place in the bedroom of the nation.
Private behaviour is not the business of the Government.
Health concerns over pot are a 'smoke-screen' (LOL) for social engineering. Its a failed experiment that has criminalized 600,000 citizens.
Freedom is all about limiting Government sactions.
Exempt pot from our U.N. agreement, Legalize pot and to hell with American pressure. They do not respect us either way.
Private behaviour is not the business of the Government.
Health concerns over pot are a 'smoke-screen' (LOL) for social engineering. Its a failed experiment that has criminalized 600,000 citizens.
Freedom is all about limiting Government sactions.
Exempt pot from our U.N. agreement, Legalize pot and to hell with American pressure. They do not respect us either way.
If private beaviour is not the business of the government should heroin and cocaine be legalized? I know I am exaggerating the issue but I'm trying to make a point.
Sometimes there are things that the average person cannot take handle, and requires numerous people to tackle properly.
Freedom is all about limiting government sanctions?
If so would this be a freer country if all labour restrictions were removed? It definately would not be a better one.
Marijuana in many ways is more harmful than cigarettes, it contains more tar and limits will-power and ambition.
However unlike cigarettes it doesn't create a physical dependance (though it sometimes creates a mental one), and is usually not smoked in the same quantities.
Any health argument is BS. The active ingredient of Marijuana (the name currently slips my mind) is available in other medications, and dosages are nearly impossible to measure when taken in joints.
However, the number of people arrested is ridiculous, as well as the fact they receive criminal records. Despite the fact that I don't think people should smoke marijuana I think it would make the most sense to be legalized and taken care of by the government with firm restrictions put in place and price held up by taxes. The government would end up getting the money instead of the drug dealers.
Cigarettes are legal, this is just about as harmful.
Sometimes there are things that the average person cannot take handle, and requires numerous people to tackle properly.
Freedom is all about limiting government sanctions?
If so would this be a freer country if all labour restrictions were removed? It definately would not be a better one.
Marijuana in many ways is more harmful than cigarettes, it contains more tar and limits will-power and ambition.
However unlike cigarettes it doesn't create a physical dependance (though it sometimes creates a mental one), and is usually not smoked in the same quantities.
Any health argument is BS. The active ingredient of Marijuana (the name currently slips my mind) is available in other medications, and dosages are nearly impossible to measure when taken in joints.
However, the number of people arrested is ridiculous, as well as the fact they receive criminal records. Despite the fact that I don't think people should smoke marijuana I think it would make the most sense to be legalized and taken care of by the government with firm restrictions put in place and price held up by taxes. The government would end up getting the money instead of the drug dealers.
Cigarettes are legal, this is just about as harmful.
Just a thought, but you don't have to smoke it, you can make cookies or bud butter. This would by pass using your lungs, which I agree is not a good idea 
RE: Marijuana Party Leade
Well i think there are a great many drugs that doctors prescribe that are a hell of a lot worse than marijuana.
Well i think there are a great many drugs that doctors prescribe that are a hell of a lot worse than marijuana.