Man stabbed, beheaded on bus in Manitoba

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On a side note. You realize what effect this will have on global warming don't you? People in Canada and indeed around the world will opt to travel in personal vehicles rather than take mass transit for fear of being beheaded.
That in turn will increase CO2 emisions which will only accelerate the demise of all mankind.
 

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I spent a long part of my life in South Africa - nowadays a very violent society - I am always amazed at how personal people make any tragedy, eg Diana and the mass hysteria that accompanied her death. People seem to identify closely with the family/victim, there is always a rash of counsellors on the scene and people who probably never gave the victim the time of day suddenly talk in glowing terms of the victim. Of course I feel sorry for the immediate family but I do not know the man who died and I am relieved that I do not know him and I am not going to start pretending that I grieve. It would IMHO demean the man's death to start pretending that I grieve. As for dark humour, yes it is an escape valve when things become so horrible that you cannot afford to talk about it and there isn't a counsellor every two feet, and you need to move on and keep on living because people depend on you. The luxury to feed on your emotions does not always exist - well maybe in Western countries it does.

As for the heroes on the bus - well it doesn't sound like heroes - they did what I would have done - they got out of the bus as quickly as they good and only afterwards started worrying if the victim was still alive. A very normal human reaction.

The suspect is seems severely disturbed and will probably spend the rest of his life (hopefully) in a secure institution for the insane.
 

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I'm sorry all but I just can't pretend I care that much. Does that make me a bad person? I don't know and frankly I don't care. It's the way I am.

I have taken a knife away from someone before. I even linked here to a site with books and training videos on how to defend yourself. I said I thought it would be a good idea if everyone learnt how to use a knife and I still stand by that sentiment - now more than before.

I don't feel threatened by wing nuts like this guy part of the reason I suppose is that I do make fun of them. Maybe I'm hiding but I don't think so. I have always moved toward danger not away from it.
 

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I agree things will get worse, because people are way too stressed! Chhildren who have raised themselves playing violent video games are now adults unprepared and unaware of how to "normally" survive in the real world. Yup I agree with you here Scott, but I don't normally appreciate your input.

What? So now you're going to blame video games?

The guy was in his 40's.... I'm in my late 20's and was born and raised through the Atari age right up to the Wii's and 360's today.... I have yet to saw anybody's head off.

An unfounded claim I must say.
 

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I'd laugh just the same. I disagree and find it more reprehensible that you think its not jokeworthy unless they are foreigners (either literally another country or far away in a community sense).

"Close to home" doesn't cut it with me, im not less attached to someone in another country than I am another province or even another town.

Hell, I have laughed at family tragedy and still think some of the jokes were good ones.

Heck, one thing that crosses the mind around here in Halifax would be the elderly lady who got beaten by metal table legs by a couple of school girls as she was going through the commons.

Or the girl in high school who thought she was getting some new friends, only for them to set her on fire and beat her so bad, they fractured her skull and disconected her eye socket.

Or how about the crazy nut bag in New Brunswick who murdered that elderly couple and beheaded them for no real apparent reason?

How about the Nova Scotian who also went a little nuts due to past experiences in his childhood, went online to a sex offenders web site that listied convicted pedophiles, went down into the states and killed a few of them, then killed himself on a bus before the police could get him?

This sort of crap happens more often then most realize..... I could be next, you could be next.... this sort of thing can happen to anybody, anywhere, at anytime.... you could be the victim..... then again, you could be the criminal.... who knows what the future holds?
 

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I've been on forums long enough to know the kind of kid gloves women get treated with on forums. They can say the dumbest things and people just think "isn't that cute."

You've just run into someone who doesn't give a $h!t and your not used to it.

And yet you bust out the 'Oh come on... darling'. Scott, no other man gets away with putting on that kind of act with me on this forum. Every other man seems capable of treating the women here like equals in a conversation, even if we're not appreciating the POV. Expect to get called on it when you don't, and instead break into condescending crap like that.

There... tit for tat Kreskin, sorry. Everyone else seemed to get one last word on the matter. I hope I kept that civil enough.
 

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The problem is that most psychotic killers LOVE this stuff, like you said about Muslims (which I'm not agreeing with... just semi quoting).

Correction: Muslim Extremist, not all Muslims. I don't remember hearing about any moderate Muslims cutting peoples heads off on a daily basis to resolve their issues, only the nuts who want to blow stuff up like to do that..... just as not all Christians like to diddle with little kids.
 

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Very well put.

Now how do we get this to work?

IMO: Our (the world) is on the brink of something horrendous. We see actions everyday that are in our estimation are inhuman, we try to act according to what we were taught and how we got this far. Yet history tells us that more often than not this does not happen. We are a species set to self destruct. Too many have died -- really for what -- what was accomplished?
As the saying goes "what goes around, comes around", that time has arrived and no-one here at 3C or anywhere else has a solution.
So sad but true.
When blase hits, disaster follows........

I don't think the world is getting anymore worse then it has been for the last thousands of years or so.

ie: Manson, Bundy, Wacco, Bernardo, hell, I could go on with an unlimited list of horrible events in human history.....

Just be thankful we're no longer burning witches.... now if we can only get the extremist Muslims to stop blowing things up and to lighten up as we eventually did, then the world will be a better place.

But don't let the bad things in the world bring you down.... once that happens, then who's gonna be around to stop it from getting worse?

The old fashion balance of Good and Evil..... it is never ending.
 

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Correction: Muslim Extremist, not all Muslims. I don't remember hearing about any moderate Muslims cutting peoples heads off on a daily basis to resolve their issues, only the nuts who want to blow stuff up like to do that..... just as not all Christians like to diddle with little kids.

I was merely repeating what he said... I know the difference, and know enough to not identify a religion by its lunatic fringe.
 

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And yet you bust out the 'Oh come on... darling'. Scott, no other man gets away with putting on that kind of act with me on this forum. Every other man seems capable of treating the women here like equals in a conversation, even if we're not appreciating the POV. Expect to get called on it when you don't, and instead break into condescending crap like that.

There... tit for tat Kreskin, sorry. Everyone else seemed to get one last word on the matter. I hope I kept that civil enough.

*Raises Hand*

Yeah I'm well known for dishing crap back at those who start it.... to me the ol' eye for an eye routine works to get the message across better then allowing others to ignorantly walk all over you continually.

If they can't take their own medicine, then perhaps they shouldn't play doctor.
 
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But don't let the bad things in the world bring you down.... once that happens, then who's gonna be around to stop it from getting worse?

The old fashion balance of Good and Evil..... it is never ending.

Define 'get you down'. Did it stop me at all yesterday? Did I carry the horror of it off to my son's birthday party with me? Did I let it pin me to the couch? No. I brought along my worry, yes. For the next week, until my family is all accounted for, I'll have that worry there, but I didn't let it stop me or change what I did for my day.

Once it's 'done' and not such a fresh shock will I think it's okay to crack jokes about it? Not likely. Just like I didn't think it was okay to crack jokes in the Courtepatte case, or in the Pickton trial, or in the Svekla trial. Yet, for some reason... was it perhaps because the victims were women and girls in those cases?... none of you cracked jokes this way then.

Now what I will do, is make fun of the murderer himself. Always good fun to be had there. But the murder? The victim? I really can't see it.

I like the way I balance good and evil. I'm good, people who crack jokes about murdered boys are evil. Stop it or I'll come tip the scales... *mwahahaha*

(for those of you who don't get it... THAT was a joke)
 

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As for the theory that this is somehow linked to Wendigo legend... I guess it remains to be seen if the guy was even native.

Sorry Kreskin, can't seem to stop highjacking it with discussion of our own reactions to it. The head shrinker in me I guess.
 

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I don't think the world is getting anymore worse then it has been for the last thousands of years or so.

ie: Manson, Bundy, Wacco, Bernardo, hell, I could go on with an unlimited list of horrible events in human history.....

Just be thankful we're no longer burning witches.... now if we can only get the extremist Muslims to stop blowing things up and to lighten up as we eventually did, then the world will be a better place.

But don't let the bad things in the world bring you down.... once that happens, then who's gonna be around to stop it from getting worse?

The old fashion balance of Good and Evil..... it is never ending.

the extremist christians are blowing things up too.....
this guy might've been the result of some gov testing a new programmed assassin
 

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Define 'get you down'. Did it stop me at all yesterday? Did I carry the horror of it off to my son's birthday party with me? Did I let it pin me to the couch? No. I brought along my worry, yes. For the next week, until my family is all accounted for, I'll have that worry there, but I didn't let it stop me or change what I did for my day.

Well what you quoted from me wasn't actually directed to you, but was just a general statement towards these situations to anybody reading.

I'd say I was just standing on my soapbox, but being 6'6" tall, I don't really need one to shout over people's heads :p

Once it's 'done' and not such a fresh shock will I think it's okay to crack jokes about it? Not likely. Just like I didn't think it was okay to crack jokes in the Courtepatte case, or in the Pickton trial, or in the Svekla trial. Yet, for some reason... was it perhaps because the victims were women and girls in those cases?... none of you cracked jokes this way then.

Hmmm... I'm pretty sure I must have cracked one or two jokes towards the pig farmer... if not, then I wasn't doing my job and I apologize.

Now what I will do, is make fun of the murderer himself. Always good fun to be had there. But the murder? The victim? I really can't see it.

Well there's a start. Why give any respect or fear towards the idiot who did the deed?

I like the way I balance good and evil. I'm good, people who crack jokes about murdered boys are evil. Stop it or I'll come tip the scales... *mwahahaha*

That's the spirit! Of course, me being evil? There's no reason to lose your head over a few jokes.... there's much worse out there then a joke or two. (pun intended, which I understand if you don't find it funny - To each their own.)

(for those of you who don't get it... THAT was a joke)

I did... but just because you make a joke, doesn't mean you can't act on a joke and make it happen. ;-)
 

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As for the theory that this is somehow linked to Wendigo legend... I guess it remains to be seen if the guy was even native.

Sorry Kreskin, can't seem to stop highjacking it with discussion of our own reactions to it. The head shrinker in me I guess.

Well, I'll be scouring the news in about another 30 mins or so to gather more information on this situation, but one thing I heard this morning on the radio was the guy they arrested was in his 40's.
 

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Update:

Friends ID man killed on bus; RCMP charge suspect
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/08/01/stabbing-victim.html


Tim McLean Jr., shown in a photograph from his MySpace page, was described by friends as a bubbly person loved by everyone.

Friends are describing the victim of a gruesome killing aboard a Winnipeg-bound Greyhound bus as a bubbly young man who was returning home from working at a carnival in Edmonton.

Police have not confirmed the identity of the man stabbed to death aboard a bus late Wednesday and beheaded, according to witness accounts, but friends have said it was Tim McLean Jr., 22, of Winnipeg.

RCMP announced Friday morning that they have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton with second-degree murder. He is scheduled to appear at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage la Prairie.

Second-degree murder, under the Criminal Code, is commonly defined as unpremeditated murder. First-degree murder refers to a killing that is planned and deliberate, but also when death is caused by sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, kidnapping and forcible confinement.

In an e-mail to CBC News, friend Jossie Kehler wrote that McLean was loved by everyone, had a bubbly personality and was a ladies' man.

"He has a lot of friends and they all are very upset he's gone, and they would like to say they miss him and he will always be in their hearts," she wrote.

"People say no one's perfect, but Tim, he was," she wrote. "He did nothing bad to anyone."

Hundreds of Facebook users flocked Friday to a tribute group titled R.I.P Tim McLean set up overnight to send their condolences to family and friends as well as express their shock at the grisly story that made international headlines.

"R.I.P Tim McLean, You are loved and you will be missed dearly!" the site description read.

Friends say McLean had taken a job with the Red River Exhibition and then went to work in Edmonton, but had decided to return home.

On McLean's MySpace page, he describes himself as a short, five-foot-five guy, weighing about 125 pounds.

Witnesses described the attacker as a hulking six-foot-tall man in sunglasses who appeared to weigh more than 200 pounds.
Father trying to reach wife

McLean's father, Tim McLean Sr., told CBC News on Thursday night that he was in the process of trying to get confirmation from the police that his son was, in fact, the victim.

He said he was also trying to reach his wife, who is on an Alaskan cruise until next week.

The father said his son had sent him a text message around 7:30 p.m. as the bus was leaving Brandon, the last leg of its journey, to ask if he could come home for the night. Tim McLean Jr. was returning to Winnipeg from Edmonton, where he had been working at an exhibition.

The father told his son that, of course, he could come home, and that was the last contact he had with him.

The RCMP would not confirm the reports of beheading, saying only that a stabbing took place around 8:30 p.m. CT on an eastbound Greyhound bus on the Trans-Canada Highway about 20 kilometres west of Portage la Prairie.

An autopsy was scheduled for Friday at the Winnipeg Health Sciences Centre.

Witnesses said the victim got on the bus in Edmonton. His attacker came aboard in Brandon and sat away from the victim toward the front of the bus, they said. After a short cigarette break, however, the attacker moved his belongings and chose a seat beside the young man.

Garnet Caton, who was sitting in the seat in front of the victim, said the young man was sleeping with his headphones on when he was attacked.

Caton said he heard a "blood-curdling scream" and turned around to see the attacker holding a large "Rambo" hunting knife above the victim, "continually stabbing him in the chest area."
Passengers fled

"He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times," said Caton, who jumped out of his seat when he realized what was happening and began ushering passengers to the front of the bus.

As panicked passengers fled the bus, "the attacker was over top of the victim … continually cutting him. I think the victim was gone at that point," Caton said.

Caton, the driver and a trucker who had stopped at the scene later boarded the vehicle to see if the victim was still alive.

"When we came back on the bus, it was visible at the end of the bus he was cutting the guy's head off and pretty much gutting him up," said Caton.

The attacker ran at them, Caton said, and they ran out of the bus, holding the door shut as he tried to slash at the trio.

When the attacker tried to drive the bus away, the driver disabled the vehicle, Caton said.

"While we were watching the door, he calmly walks up to the front with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us," said Caton.

Another passenger, Cody Olmstead, said: "They did an awesome thing, holding him in there, because if not, what would have happened?"

RCMP crisis negotiators communicated with the suspect for several hours while he was on the bus. Around 1:30 a.m., he attempted to jump from a bus window and was subdued and arrested, RCMP said.

Police cruisers arrived about 10 minutes after the attack began, he estimated, and officers began directing passengers to school buses to take them to a hotel in Brandon.
 

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Additional Update:



Friends identify bus victim; RCMP name suspect
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...31/Manitoba_victim_080801/20080801?hub=Canada

RCMP have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, with second-degree murder after 22-year-old Tim McLean was stabbed and then decapitated in a vicious attack on a Greyhound bus.

Li, from Edmonton, Alta., will appear at a court in Portage la Prairie, Man., on Friday morning, RCMP confirmed in a press release.

McLean, identified by friends as the victim, was killed late Wednesday in what appears to be a random act of violence.

Initial reports said McLean was sleeping with his head against the window when a large man sitting beside him attacked.

However, one of McLean's best friends said he was not asleep when the attack happened.

"I was talking to one of his ex-girlfriends not too long ago, and she was texting him the whole way back from Edmonton until 10 minutes before this accident happens," William Caron told The Canadian Press.

"He was just sitting there texting her, listening to music on his cellphone."

Caron said McLean was returning to Winnipeg after working at a carnival booth at fairs around western Canada.

"My brother was supposed to go meet him at the bus depot and he never showed up," said Caron.

He described McLean as a quiet, easy-going guy.

"I was completely shocked 'cause Tim has never been a roughhousing guy," he said. "He's always been a quiet guy, just kind of socialized with his buddies and that was it."

Meanwhile, friends of the victim quickly created a "R.I.P. Tim" tribute on the social networking website Facebook.

"I can't believe this is happening," wrote Leah Dryburgh of Winnipeg.

"Tim, you were the best guy ever. You didn't deserve this at all."

Another friend said McLean was someone who liked to have fun and never took anything too seriously.

"When the days in are games were boring hot and long, I would talk to him and he would make them more fun," Brian wrote on the website. "Thanks Tim! We had a blast! My thoughts and prayers go out to his family."

Pictures of McLean have also been picked up from the website.

A post-mortem on McLean's body will be conducted Friday at the Winnipeg Health Sciences Centre.

RCMP officials have not officially released the identity of the victim.

So he wasn't asleep, but listening to music and constantly texting his ex..... the whole damn ride.

Now I'm not saying that's justification for him being killed, but I know how annoying it is when you got someone listening to music too loud and their cell phone constantly beeps with a text every damn 30 seconds..... esspecially when you're sitting right beside them the whole time, for hours.

I would guess that this guy had some sort of mental issue, and eventually snapped for whatever reason.... but I'm betting the text messaging and the music for hours on end was the detonator to the situation.

But if that was the case, I don't understand why the guy didn't just move to another seat further away from him.... unless there wern't any available.

But if I was gonna put myself in the killers shoes, add a little mental instability, and I'm betting he just clicked the wrong way and decided to make an example for whatever reason.

But that's just my guess.... sometimes it never makes complete sense, and sometimes something like this happens over something small.
 

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Further information from a Nova Scotian who talked to the Victim:

N.S. passenger: ‘It’s sickening’
http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1070828.html


Cody Olmstead of Kentville smokes a cigarette as he waits to board a bus outside a Walmart in Brandon, Man. on Thursday. Mr. Olsmstead was one of the passengers on a Greyhound bus on which a young man was stabbed and beheaded Wednesday night near Portage La Prairie, Man.

A Nova Scotia traveller smoked cigarettes with the man who was later repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated by another passenger aboard a Greyhound bus driving through Manitoba.

Cody Olmstead said he met the victim when the young man boarded the bus in Edmonton.

"I never took the time to know him, but he seemed to be OK, right, just a kid," Mr. Olmstead told CBC News.

They both got off the bus to smoke when it stopped in Brandon on Wednesday night.

"We just left the town of Brandon and we were watching Zorro and the next thing I know I hear somebody scream and I look back and there’s some big guy holding this little fellow up between the bathroom door and the seat," Mr. Olmstead said.

The 21-year-old from Kentville had been taking the bus from Whitecourt, Alta., to Montreal when he met the man who would later become the victim of the grisly murder.

"He just said he was going to Winnipeg . . . going home, that’s where he was from," Mr. Olmstead said.

When the screaming started, the other 35 passengers and the driver scrambled off the bus, which was near Portage la Prairie.

The attacker later came to the front of the bus.

"The guy came to the front of the door with buddy’s head in his hands, decapitated. He dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body back up," Mr. Olmstead told Brandon radio station CKLQ.

As night fell and police surrounded the bus, the suspect taunted police officers, Mr. Olmstead told CBC.

"He comes up and he picks the head up and he’s waving it in the window. I just smoked a cigarette with this man (the victim) earlier, the head, and he’s shaking it back and forth at the window and it’s . . . intense, right, it’s sickening."

He told the Winnipeg Free Press the victim had been sleeping before the attack.

The paper reported that Mr. Olmstead was visibly shaken Thursday morning as he sat outside a Brandon hotel smoking at about 3 a.m. He said RCMP had taken 36 witnesses in for questioning.

"I felt bad that all the young people and old people had to see that," he said of the gruesome attack.