Man stabbed, beheaded on bus in Manitoba

[Zzarchov]

You'd cry hypocrite when names haven't been released and lord only knows who's involved? How would you like to take part in jokes about some lady being beaten then find out it was your mother? I have a son who could be on that bus (if he didn't detest busses and like to fly) We can laugh at anything - but it's not jokeworthy when it's close to home.

I'd laugh just the same. I disagree and find it more reprehensible that you think its not jokeworthy unless they are foreigners (either literally another country or far away in a community sense).

"Close to home" doesn't cut it with me, im not less attached to someone in another country than I am another province or even another town.

Hell, I have laughed at family tragedy and still think some of the jokes were good ones.

 

[#juan]

You realize that this guy will plead guilty to manslaughter, get sentenced to 8 years and be out in 3 don't you? He will be back out on the streets before the next summer Olympics.

Here in Canada we don't value life very highly.

No. This guy will likely end up in a mental institution, where he should have been in the first place. He is obviously insane. Personally, I would vote to shoot the SOB but that won't happen. I think somebody already mentioned this but I wonder if this was his first victim.

 

[lone wolf]

I'd laugh just the same. I disagree and find it more reprehensible that you think its not jokeworthy unless they are foreigners (either literally another country or far away in a community sense).

"Close to home" doesn't cut it with me, im not less attached to someone in another country than I am another province or even another town.

Hell, I have laughed at family tragedy and still think some of the jokes were good ones.

Between what line did you read that? Grow up, troll

 

[Zzarchov]

Between what line did you read that? Grow up, troll

We can laugh at anything - but it's not jokeworthy when it's close to home.

That line. Similar sentiments have been expressed by Talloola.

I do not see this "close to home" factor as an issue. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean by "close to home" and why that stops it from being funny. I took "close to home" as "being from around here" am I mistaken?

 

[lone wolf]

We can laugh at anything - but it's not jokeworthy when it's close to home.

That line. Similar sentiments have been expressed by Talloola.

I do not see this "close to home" factor as an issue. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean by "close to home" and why that stops it from being funny. I took "close to home" as "being from around here" am I mistaken?

Close to home ... as in my son could be on that bus ... or Karrie has family all over the region.... Talloola's "not too far from home" has the same meaning - a synonym for almost personal. The clue in my post might have been taking part in jokes then realizing it was your mother.

 

[Zzarchov]

Close to home ... as in my son could be on that bus ... or Karrie has family all over the region.... Talloola's "not too far from home" has the same meaning - a synonym for almost personal. The clue in my post might have been taking part in jokes then realizing it was your mother.

Again though, lets go into that.

So what if it might be close to your home? Are you more special than others? Should I feel different attachment to you than any of the other people who suffer from death and destruction?

For that matter, should I feel that my family is more deserving of different emotion than anyone elses family? I do crack jokes about my own losses as stated above.

In any of those cases jokes have been cracked about, its still someones family. They are all real people.

So in that case Im guess I did read your "close to home" comment correctly? or is there legitimately some nuance Im missing?

 

[lone wolf]

Again though, lets go into that.

So what if it might be close to your home? Are you more special than others? Should I feel different attachment to you than any of the other people who suffer from death and destruction?

That is your manipulation of my words. Knock off with the propaganda. It only paints you as liar.

For that matter, should I feel that my family is more deserving of different emotion than anyone elses family? I do crack jokes about my own losses as stated above.

Your family should be deserving of more concern to you than somebody else's - that is if you care for your family.

In any of those cases jokes have been cracked about, its still someones family. They are all real people.

Of course they are of somebody's family. That's how it works here on Earth.

So in that case Im guess I did read your "close to home" comment correctly? or is there legitimately some nuance Im missing?

Close to home means something we feel personally. If only for an instant, it is a touch from reality.

 

[Risus]

This is absolutely sick. What does this say about our society?

And some of the people here considering the sick jokes about it...

 

[Lithp]

I fail to see how this person can be called insane. Jeffrey Dahmer was fit to stand trial. So were several other infamous criminals. As was stated previously, beheading a person does not make you insane. The radical muslims love that stuf!
Maybe he is evil. That's right I said it. Maybe he was overcome with evil. If we can attribute such acts to mental illness - which we can neither see nor measure, then we can also attribute this act to evil.
Mental illness is a cop out. This was an act of pure evil. Evil exists.Sometimes they call it mental illness because "they" are afraid to admit that evil exists.
We all have evil in us and we have all done evil things. you can't see evil and you cant see mental illness. Sometimes you can see differences in the brains of some people who are mentally ill or evil. Sometimes not. Still, I believe both exist seperate and apart from each other - and sadly sometimes together. But I don't think acts of evil should be automaticaly attributed to mental illness.

 

[karrie]

On that one I'd have to cry hypocrit. Lets be fair, lots of jokes have been cracked over the years about lots of death and destruction with narry a word about it (carbombings to genocide)

If you can find a single, ONE SINGLE joke I've ever cracked in here about someone having their head hacked off then feel free, BY ALL MEANS feel free to call me a hypocrite. Until then, shove it.

I would find these jokes distasteful regardless of where it was happening, but I will absolutely admit that having it be from here, having this victim be from here, not knowing if he could be someone I know... Zz, that makes it ten times more gut wrenching. It doesn't take away one bit from the death of anyone else in any other incident like this but dammit, it makes the whole thing leave me feeling panicked to know. That's a sick feeling.

 

[lone wolf]

I fail to see how this person can be called insane. Jeffrey Dahmer was fit to stand trial. So were several other infamous criminals. As was stated previously, beheading a person does not make you insane. The radical muslims love that stuf!
Maybe he is evil. That's right I said it. Maybe he was overcome with evil. If we can attribute such acts to mental illness - which we can neither see nor measure, then we can also attribute this act to evil.
Mental illness is a cop out. This was an act of pure evil. Evil exists.Sometimes they call it mental illness because "they" are afraid to admit that evil exists.
We all have evil in us and we have all done evil things. you can't see evil and you cant see mental illness. Sometimes you can see differences in the brains of some people who are mentally ill or evil. Sometimes not. Still, I believe both exist seperate and apart from each other - and sadly sometimes together. But I don't think acts of evil should be automaticaly attributed to mental illness.

What you say is very true. The basic animal instinct is what creates the fight or flight response. Call it discipline. Call it conscience. Whatever it is, it keeps us from acting out on some really morbid fantasies. Not everyone has the same self control. Maybe this guy was a dry addict. Who knows? He'll get lumped into the psych ward - whether it was evil in him or some mental defect. Those people who witnessed will see it for the rest of their lives.

 

[karrie]

I fail to see how this person can be called insane. Jeffrey Dahmer was fit to stand trial. So were several other infamous criminals. As was stated previously, beheading a person does not make you insane. The radical muslims love that stuf!
Maybe he is evil. That's right I said it. Maybe he was overcome with evil. If we can attribute such acts to mental illness - which we can neither see nor measure, then we can also attribute this act to evil.
Mental illness is a cop out. This was an act of pure evil. Evil exists.Sometimes they call it mental illness because "they" are afraid to admit that evil exists.
We all have evil in us and we have all done evil things. you can't see evil and you cant see mental illness. Sometimes you can see differences in the brains of some people who are mentally ill or evil. Sometimes not. Still, I believe both exist seperate and apart from each other - and sadly sometimes together. But I don't think acts of evil should be automaticaly attributed to mental illness.

The problem is that most psychotic killers LOVE this stuff, like you said about Muslims (which I'm not agreeing with... just semi quoting). Where his case comes off wrong and ill is that he didn't seem to care according to the witnesses. There aren't a lot of bloody, physical slaughters carried out where there is no reaction from the murderer to what they're doing, either anger or excitement.

 

[karrie]

Oh common, you better toughen up a little darling; things are about to get a lot worse.

Oh go **** yourself you condescending prick.

 

[Scott Free]

It was just a friendly piece of advice but whatever, suit yourself.

 

[karrie]

It was just a friendly piece of advice but whatever, suit yourself.

oh come on.... better thicken that skin sweetums.. that's not the worst you'll ever hear in your life.

As if that was meant as friendly advice. Give me a freaking break. You have a better understanding of the English language than to think 'oh come on... darling' is anything but damn condescending.

 

[Scott Free]

oh come on.... better thicken that skin sweetums.. that's not the worst you'll ever hear in your life.

As if that was meant as friendly advice. Give me a freaking break. You have a better understanding of the English language than to think 'oh come on... darling' is anything but damn condescending.

You were getting all pouty about some freakin' jokes!

You must understand how the Muslims felt when they threw a gasket over those cartoons then.

I know your not used to honesty but I don't give a rats *** if your a woman or not. I call it like I see it.

 

[karrie]

You were getting all pouty about some freakin' jokes!

You must understand how the Muslims felt when they threw a gasket over those cartoons then.

I know your not used to honesty but I don't give a rats *** if your a woman or not. I call it like I see it.

Why the hell would you compare anger over religion to frustration over the death of a human being? WTF is wrong with you? Do you not get the difference AT ALL? And what does me being a woman have to do with a damn thing darling? huh? Sweetums? What the hell difference does that make in having a human reaction and discussing it. Just because you seem to fail to grasp the concept of emotion doesn't mean that it's the realm merely of women.

 

[talloola]

For example, Talloola:

Since when are Saudi Arabians or Iraqi's less affected by trauma? Why should I have less empathy for them then for someone else I've never met in the prairies? They are not somehow different.

That's not what I meant, thought that was obvious, it is our information we get over
and over from that part of the world, and we have become accustomed to hearing that
sort of news, so it has become common place, and we have no connections, personally, it
is like a tv show being shown to us each and every day, takes away some of the feeling,
at least it does for me. But this news hit so close to home, very unusual for us to have
something like this happen here, so it is 'shocking'. I have no idea how the iraqis or the
saudis react to all of the violence, similar to this, that happens over there.

And if you don't laugh..you'll go nuts.
Sorry, I can deal with this news without laughing, I don't need to cover it up, I will face
it head on thanks.

Maybe its just me, but I think everything can be laughed at. Only once you can't laugh at something anymore, has it really got you beat

Me too, I have a real good sense of humour, find many things funny, but, not this, no thanks.

 

[talloola]

Well I expected that this would set many people the wrong way.

Receiving this sort of information with horror and sad feelings, 'is' receiving it the
'right way'.

 

[scratch]

Well I expected that this would set many people the wrong way.

Receiving this sort of information with horrow and sad feelings, 'is' receiving it the
'right way'.

.....I keep saying it the world is mad and is in a hand basket.