Man kills three suspected burglars with AR-15 rifle

bobnoorduyn

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I talked with the old man about this issue, and he is on your guys side.

And he told me a story. When i was like 1yrs old it was my dad and me in the house and 7 people tried breaking in. He took out his magnum (handguns were legal back then), snuck up behind the last guy and held the gun to his head. He took the guys wallet for identification and basically scared the kids off. No deaths.

He feels good about that outcome

You know what i said,

Dad no one is hardcore you like you under pressure and we cant expect other gun owners to act like you, but can we not as a people figure something out to at least bring down the kill count while keeping the homeowner safe?

He just said, it would be nice but you have a lot of thinking to do then.


Though exhaustive studies have been done most evidence is anecdotal because many cases go unreported, but this is how 95% or more of these scenarios end, with no shots fired. It is the small percentage of cases where shots are fired that we read about. Often just presenting a firearm and letting the miscreants escape is the most desirable outcome, no police, no paperwork, no threat of legal woes, and if it hasn't been stated enough, NO WARNING SHOTS, no problem. But like everything else, training, practice and preparedness are essential, second chances are rare to non-existent.
 

Johnnny

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Though exhaustive studies have been done most evidence is anecdotal because many cases go unreported, but this is how 95% or more of these scenarios end, with no shots fired. It is the small percentage of cases where shots are fired that we read about. Often just presenting a firearm and letting the miscreants escape is the most desirable outcome, no police, no paperwork, no threat of legal woes, and if it hasn't been stated enough, NO WARNING SHOTS, no problem. But like everything else, training, practice and preparedness are essential, second chances are rare to non-existent.

What about whats going on in Florida? I just recently found that researching the topic and thought that what they are discussing there could be relevant. Trayvon Martin aside, they seem to have had a spike in homicides since 2005 that they are saying can be tied to Stand your Ground laws...
 

Remington1

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Just me, but if you walk in my house to do harm (and training tells you that the percentage of fu#ker that will actually do home invasion are not there to shake your hand or tell your daughter/wife how pretty they are), it's me or you.
 

bobnoorduyn

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What about whats going on in Florida? I just recently found that researching the topic and thought that what they are discussing there could be relevant. Trayvon Martin aside, they seem to have had a spike in homicides since 2005 that they are saying can be tied to Stand your Ground laws...


Florida has a unique history by having probably the most coastline, much of it unpatrolled, in close proximity to major contraband producers providing access to the continental US. It has been one of the most popular smuggling destinations since the days of sail which is sure to attract more than its share of miscreants. Such a long history of criminality is certain to leave a population twitchy, and rightly so I'm sure. Especially after Jimmy Carter welcomed with open arms, as Cuban refugees, tens of thousands of violent criminals Fidel Castro sent there, so there probably isn't much trust in government after that either.

Just me, but if you walk in my house to do harm (and training tells you that the percentage of fu#ker that will actually do home invasion are not there to shake your hand or tell your daughter/wife how pretty they are), it's me or you.


I can almost guarantee that anyone who knowingly forcibly enters an occupied dwelling is certain to do harm to get what they want, and they should be dealt with accordingly.
 

petros

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Do the Stand your Ground Laws require the homeowner to fire a warning shot?

If not i believe that this would be a better control than say declaring yourself verbally to the intruders.

Firing a warning shot could help the homeowner gauge the level of threat, and perhaps give intruders the chance to surrender, and or flee. The deaths in the article are way too lopsided and i don't agree with the law the same as i don't agree with women getting stoned in Iran for being a rape victim.

In this example a warning shot would have probably saved the lives of the intruders because unless your a religious zealot with a box cutter you aren't going to make a move on someone in their own house in the dark with just a knife. You would more than likely be frightened and scream, "stop"!!!

Now there would be exceptions, like you were already locked in mortal combat and you grabbed your gun to fire the first shot, etc and there should be exceptions.

The law, if no warning shot is required just exemplifies the fastest gunslinger in the west mentality. That needs to change because that does not encourage competent gun handling and management techniques.

Yeeeeeah. A warning shot. Would the invaders give one?
 

taxslave

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Here's another idea if its not already in place, have everyone who owns firearms to place on their properties "You will be shot if you attempt, ...".


The problem with that one is that it identifies which houses have guns making it easier for anyone interested in speaking firearms to know where to target.
 

Johnnny

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Here's another idea if its not already in place, have everyone who owns firearms to place on their properties "You will be shot if you attempt, ...".


The problem with that one is that it identifies which houses have guns making it easier for anyone interested in speaking firearms to know where to target.

I hear you.

I was thinking along the mentality about how on the work place we put up guarding and signs on conveyor belts for example to protect people from themselves.

I will think of an idea eventually, i have enough redneck and first nations buddies who own guns. Maybe not today, maybe not 2morrow, but one day. :)
 

taxslave

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What about whats going on in Florida? I just recently found that researching the topic and thought that what they are discussing there could be relevant. Trayvon Martin aside, they seem to have had a spike in homicides since 2005 that they are saying can be tied to Stand your Ground laws...

But is there a corresponding decline in the number of repeat offenders? If so the law is working just fine.
 

Johnnny

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I did all this crying around and not once did i say the AR15 should be banned, so theres that too guys. You can roll your eyes at me all you want but in the end i respected your right to bear.
 
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taxslave

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I hear you.

I was thinking along the mentality about how on the work place we put up guarding and signs on conveyor belts for example to protect people from themselves.

I will think of an idea eventually, i have enough redneck and first nations buddies who own guns. Maybe not today, maybe not 2morrow, but one day. :)

After 9/11 our government totally over reacted in the wrong direction. Normal for governments. They wanted all the trucks packing explosives to have big signs on them, roof and all saying Explosives. The guys driving them of course wanted plain white trucks with no markings cause they didn't want to be targets.
 

Bar Sinister

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And that is why innocent people die in Canada. Because we have stupid laws that protect criminals and nothing to protect law abiding taxpayers. Perpetuated by stupid people.

No, that is why people die in the USA. Because it has stupid laws that encourage gun ownership.
 

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