Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

[Praxius]

Yeah that's a crock of sh*t, but not at all suprising.

What pisses me off is that he had his hands in the air and wasn't even attempting to grab anything to attack them with, they had him cornered and then they tazed the bro.

I'm pretty sure one of those officers could have handcuffed him very easily.

If bouncers at bars can handle that sort of crap every night, and with drunk people at that, then I don't see the excuse that police officers can use for justifying the use of tasers so much.

Maybe they think it's star trek and they're using phasers set on stun.

Damit, he's dead Jim.... another one.....

 

[Scott Free]

This is an outrage. Welcome to Canada: police state.

 

[VanIsle]

This is an outrage. Welcome to Canada: police state.

Why is it an outrage? Were you present? Do you know all the facts? Have you read all the news enough to know that airport security knew this man was in great distress but did not report that to the police and made no attempt to assist him. If you want someone charged - you are looking in the wrong direction. The police were doing their job with the tools they were given. The old guns they had probably would have barely knocked a person down and the new ones will do little better in most cases depending on where the bullet hits. How outraged would you be if the situation was reversed and a police officer died? Would it just be a dangerous job? The outrage is that people do not back their local police force. Who will you call when someone is breaking into your house?

 

[Scott Free]

I saw the tape in its entirety and found it outrageous.

Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Tonington]

Anyone see the CBC investigation? The RCMP used data from Australia when they started purchasing the new X-26 model, and get this, it was based on one taser! One freaking weapon...

Then the CBC tested them at an independent lab in Montreal, and the bloody things weren't delivering a specific current everytime, it could fluctuate by as much as 50%. Some of the older models were even delivering more than 100% of the stated current. Some of them weren't shutting off.

The company settled a $20 million class action lawsuit where shareholders and ex-employees stated that returned models were just being slapped into a new case and shipped out...

Unbelievable.

 

[Praxius]

Why is it an outrage? Were you present? Do you know all the facts? Have you read all the news enough to know that airport security knew this man was in great distress but did not report that to the police and made no attempt to assist him. If you want someone charged - you are looking in the wrong direction. The police were doing their job with the tools they were given. The old guns they had probably would have barely knocked a person down and the new ones will do little better in most cases depending on where the bullet hits. How outraged would you be if the situation was reversed and a police officer died? Would it just be a dangerous job? The outrage is that people do not back their local police force. Who will you call when someone is breaking into your house?

I can say that I know more then enough, and if you want to assume that he could have killed a police officer in that encounter, then that clearly shows your lack of knowlege on the situation, as he wasn't being violent towards anybody in the airport. He got frustrated and chucked some crap around.... after that long being couped up in an airport and nobody there is helping you or can talk to you, I'd be a bit pissed off an I'd be chucking sh*t too.

And even when witnesses were interviewed, a few of them actually walked right up to him to see if they could do anything and he calmed right down knowing someone was at least trying to help....

then the cops come in and taze the crap out of him until he died..... without even attempting to see what the real problem was.

I don't care about what information the police recieved or didn't from security, they should have used their damn common sense and known that that wasn't a situation for the taser deployment...... plain and simple.

And the fact that.... um.... what was it? One of those officers was later found drinking and driving and killed someone?

I suppose he'll get off easy on that too.

 

[Ron in Regina]

No charges for RCMP in airport Tasering: Report

Why is it an outrage? Were you present? Do you know all the facts? Have you read all the news enough to know that airport security knew this man was in great distress but did not report that to the police and made no attempt to assist him. If you want someone charged - you are looking in the wrong direction. The police were doing their job with the tools they were given. The old guns they had probably would have barely knocked a person down and the new ones will do little better in most cases depending on where the bullet hits. How outraged would you be if the situation was reversed and a police officer died? Would it just be a dangerous job? The outrage is that people do not back their local police force. Who will you call when someone is breaking into your house?

Who would I call if someone was breaking into my house? I'd call my Dogs!
After everything was over and done with, and if I needed to file an insurance
claim, then I'd call the police, and wait (usually for several hours or perhaps
until the next day) for a file# which I'd need for an insurance claim. That's it.

The last Citizens Arrest I made, my Rotti and I had the Jabroni on his knees
with his hands behind his head for 45 minutes. I was very impressed with the
Police response time (I live eleven blocks from the Police Station). I'd already
read off over the phone to the Police this guy's (I'd relieved him of his wallet)
Full Name, SIN#, Prisoner ID#, DOB, PIC#, etc...I didn't need a file# for
insurance that time.

 

[Praxius]

Anyone see the CBC investigation? The RCMP used data from Australia when they started purchasing the new X-26 model, and get this, it was based on one taser! One freaking weapon...

Then the CBC tested them at an independent lab in Montreal, and the bloody things weren't delivering a specific current everytime, it could fluctuate by as much as 50%. Some of the older models were even delivering more than 100% of the stated current. Some of them weren't shutting off.

The company settled a $20 million class action lawsuit where shareholders and ex-employees stated that returned models were just being slapped into a new case and shipped out...

Unbelievable.

That sounds like half the crap I bought at Zellers.... all repackaged and taped up, then when I get it home somethings' missing out of the package or whatever broke that cause it to be returned was still broken.... slack asses.

But I did hear a bit on the tasers and RCMP where the mounties and other law enforcement basically relied on Taser's information on their own product and nothing from an independant investigation to determine if they were safe.

What do they think Law Enforcement is? a Hasbro company who doesn't check the products they get from other companies from outside of the country?

Probably.

 

[Risus]

Why am I not surprised. Only the cops can get away with murder...

 

[#juan]

I am a bit disappointed with this episode. Four strapping Mounties couldn't control one unarmed guy without tasering him to death. I would have thought that once his hands were cuffed behind his back he could have been controlled easily by a couple guys. I also wonder what would have happened if one of the mounties had pulled out two chairs and sat in one and invited the guy to sit in the other one. The guy didn't have to die.

 

[Risus]

I am a bit disappointed with this episode. Four strapping Mounties couldn't control one unarmed guy. I would have thought that once his hands were cuffed behind his back he could have been controlled easily by a couple guys.

You see it all the time on 'To serve and Protect'.....

 

[Colpy]

I am a bit disappointed with this episode. Four strapping Mounties couldn't control one unarmed guy without tasering him to death. I would have thought that once his hands were cuffed behind his back he could have been controlled easily by a couple guys. I also wonder what would have happened if one of the mounties had pulled out two chairs and sat in one and invited the guy to sit in the other one. The guy didn't have to die.

Dead on, exactly........especially the part about getting a chair and inviting the guy to sit down....

Tasers should be declared lethal weapons.....because in the Use of Force model, one can only use lethal force to defend themselves or others from death or greivous bodily harm.

that means no more tasering a man simply because he is unco-operative. Or yelling. Or is 80 years old and brandishing a pen knife. Or just because they feel like it.

Tasers are useful........but they should only be deployed when one could legally deploy a firearm.........but believes the Taser to be the better answer.

IMHO

 

[Ron in Regina]

No charges for RCMP in airport Tasering: Report

Dead on, exactly........especially the part about getting a chair and inviting the guy to sit down....

Tasers should be declared lethal weapons.....because in the Use of Force model, one can only use lethal force to defend themselves or others from death or greivous bodily harm.

that means no more tasering a man simply because he is unco-operative. Or yelling. Or is 80 years old and brandishing a pen knife. Or just because they feel like it.

Tasers are useful........but they should only be deployed when one could legally deploy a firearm.........but believes the Taser to be the better answer.

IMHO

Right On! No more Tasering for "non-compliance" to illegal orders like,
"Stop Video-taping in a public place" while they're beating the living snot
out of some senior citizen.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Why is it an outrage? Were you present? Do you know all the facts? Have you read all the news enough to know that airport security knew this man was in great distress but did not report that to the police and made no attempt to assist him. If you want someone charged - you are looking in the wrong direction. The police were doing their job with the tools they were given. The old guns they had probably would have barely knocked a person down and the new ones will do little better in most cases depending on where the bullet hits. How outraged would you be if the situation was reversed and a police officer died? Would it just be a dangerous job? The outrage is that people do not back their local police force. Who will you call when someone is breaking into your house?

We discussed this at great length before, (remember how you gave Trudey and I the gears for calling him Robert because we couldn't spell his last name?). Mr. Dziekansky could not have possibly been armed, he could have been calmed down by someone with a modicum of empathy.

Airports are unfamiliar territory for most people, even the police who patrol them. I used to spend most of my working life at airports and none is like the other. They are confusing and if you are in a foreign country they can be terrifying, especially for the newbie. I'll tell you, I hate going through any airport as a passenger, and I know the places. I've dealt with lost passengers, they are either frustrated or terrified in this unfamiliar territory.

I lost my daughter, (then 15) at Heathrow, she ended up outside security without a boardig pass, (I had it). I couldn't get out, she couldn't get in, panic only begins to describe it. Luckily she is smart and airport experienced, (and not the only one it happened to), and was able to talk her way back through security. I can't imagine what would happen if we only spoke Ojibwa. In Mr. Dziekansky's case, there are a lot of Polish speaking folks in this country, hell, my wife speaks it. Could it have been that difficult to let him rant on his own and just wait for a translator?

Airports bring out the worst in people, and the 9/11 phobia makes it even worse, we have to step back, take a deep breath, and think clearly. These members did none of that, this was a very unneccessary tragedy.

 

[VanIsle]

We discussed this at great length before, (remember how you gave Trudey and I the gears for calling him Robert because we couldn't spell his last name?). Mr. Dziekansky could not have possibly been armed, he could have been calmed down by someone with a modicum of empathy.

Airports are unfamiliar territory for most people, even the police who patrol them. I used to spend most of my working life at airports and none is like the other. They are confusing and if you are in a foreign country they can be terrifying, especially for the newbie. I'll tell you, I hate going through any airport as a passenger, and I know the places. I've dealt with lost passengers, they are either frustrated or terrified in this unfamiliar territory.

I lost my daughter, (then 15) at Heathrow, she ended up outside security without a boardig pass, (I had it). I couldn't get out, she couldn't get in, panic only begins to describe it. Luckily she is smart and airport experienced, (and not the only one it happened to), and was able to talk her way back through security. I can't imagine what would happen if we only spoke Ojibwa. In Mr. Dziekansky's case, there are a lot of Polish speaking folks in this country, hell, my wife speaks it. Could it have been that difficult to let him rant on his own and just wait for a translator?

Airports bring out the worst in people, and the 9/11 phobia makes it even worse, we have to step back, take a deep breath, and think clearly. These members did none of that, this was a very unneccessary tragedy.

It wasn't that you didn't know how to spell his last name. His name was anywhere you wanted to find it. It was that you used the first name like he was a buddy. Nothing more. I try not to get too picky about spelling. We all make typo's. I also believe this was a great tragedy and you know I believe that. You know I also agree that "talk" would probably have calmed the situation. However - to say it is an outrage that the members were not charged is wrong. None of you had heard all the evidence. You are basically stating that they knew the tasers were faulty and used them regardless. Sooo easy to be on the attack - right? (I'm not speaking directly to you my friend but to those who are so ready to call foul) The members were not charged because there were other factors that were major contributors for one thing (it's in the news) and yes - the taser was a contributing factor as well. Most of us do not like the use of the taser but up until all the deaths occured, most of us thought it was a simple means of subduing a felon. Was it over-used? Probably. In fact - likely. By the way to the Regina man - the RCMP train in Regina - they don't work there. You, if anyone, should know that since you live there. To the person who mentioned that the one member killed someone via drunk driving - well - not to excuse what he did because he will pay for what he did in that regard, did it ever occur to you that this police officer may have been extremely stressed by the situation he went through? His life as a PO is over. He's never going to shoot another taser at anyone. He probably would not have anyway. Do you think police officers are immune from major stress? You do sound like a heartless lot. Nothing can be done to help Mr. Dziekansky, but all of you want the heads of your local police even though they never did anything to you.

 

[VanIsle]

We discussed this at great length before, (remember how you gave Trudey and I the gears for calling him Robert because we couldn't spell his last name?). Mr. Dziekansky could not have possibly been armed, he could have been calmed down by someone with a modicum of empathy.

Airports are unfamiliar territory for most people, even the police who patrol them. I used to spend most of my working life at airports and none is like the other. They are confusing and if you are in a foreign country they can be terrifying, especially for the newbie. I'll tell you, I hate going through any airport as a passenger, and I know the places. I've dealt with lost passengers, they are either frustrated or terrified in this unfamiliar territory.

I lost my daughter, (then 15) at Heathrow, she ended up outside security without a boardig pass, (I had it). I couldn't get out, she couldn't get in, panic only begins to describe it. Luckily she is smart and airport experienced, (and not the only one it happened to), and was able to talk her way back through security. I can't imagine what would happen if we only spoke Ojibwa. In Mr. Dziekansky's case, there are a lot of Polish speaking folks in this country, hell, my wife speaks it. Could it have been that difficult to let him rant on his own and just wait for a translator?

Airports bring out the worst in people, and the 9/11 phobia makes it even worse, we have to step back, take a deep breath, and think clearly. These members did none of that, this was a very unneccessary tragedy.

You know airports well. Why don't you question why they didn't call for help (the airport security) when it has been reported that within about 3 hours after his arrival they knew he was polish - not russian and they knew he was highly stressed. They did nothing but all of you want to hang the police only for it. The airport could have defused the situation there and then - long before it came close to the police even being called.

 

[VanIsle]

Why am I not surprised. Only the cops can get away with murder...

That's a very nasty thing to say.

 

[VanIsle]

You see it all the time on 'To serve and Protect'.....

Where do you see that all the time? On TV? I've been over this before. The motto of the RCMP is Maintain the Right.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Do you think police officers are immune from major stress?

So stress is a defense for murder is it?

Is that just for police, or does it apply to anyone?

You do sound like a heartless lot.

You sound like someone who ineffectively argues just for the sake of hearing your fingers tap on the keys...

Nothing can be done to help Mr. Dziekansky, but all of you want the heads of your local police even though they never did anything to you.

There's been far too many instances of police who should have been brought to the justice that they are supposed to uphold, but were not because of political reasons.

The frustration is justified, especially in this case, where Robert was outright murdered while he posed no threat to anyone...

 

[VanIsle]

So stress is a defense for murder is it?

Is that just for police, or does it apply to anyone?



You sound like someone who ineffectively argues just for the sake of hearing your fingers tap on the keys...



There's been far too many instances of police who should have been brought to the justice that they are supposed to uphold, but were not because of political reasons.

The frustration is justified, especially in this case, where Robert was outright murdered while he posed no threat to anyone...

We had another poster much like you on canada.com. It was obvious he had been nothing but trouble to the police and was as you appear to be - a police hater. End of conversation as I don't converse with the un-reasonable and that's what you are. Say anything you want. I won't respond.