Long Hair not permitted on boys?

Walter

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Walter, the broken window theory is not sound. Criminologists have increasingly found no empirical support for this theory as previous studies have been re-analyzed and new investigations conducted. It is after all a fallacy to link correlations to causality.
The quoted post is refuted here, here and here.
 

VanIsle

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The school system is teaching kids that it's okay to enforce pointless rules about hair and dress codes, and to discriminate on the basis of gender. If the school system can enforce rules about short hair for boys, then they can enforce rules about the hijab for girls/women. What does that say about society?

It's utterly stupid.

To those who are defending this practice, do you believe that muslim women should be forced to cover their faces when out in public? If not, why do you think it's any different?
I'm not defending the school regarding the long hair. I don't see a problem with the young child's hair being a little long. What I am defending is a school's right to rules. Without them there is nothing but mayhem and as I said earlier, these parents must have enrolled their child knowing the rules. If they did not know them and they disagree, it's pre-school. He can be moved to another school. It is them that have a point to make. Not the child. They are teaching him that rules are made to be broken.
 

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I remember 20 years ago the Singapore dictator was very much against long hair for men. While long hair was not punishable by lashes (which seems tot be the standard punishment in Singapore), they did enact some sanctions. Singapore Parliament enacted laws banning long hair in schools. Parliament also decreed that men with long hair will not be served in government offices and must be served last in private businesses.

Singapore being a dictatorship (it is a one party state), they were able to do that. At least that was the policy around 1980, I don’t know if the current dictator is also against long hair.

As to the story here, it is important to remember that this is Texas; anything can happen in Texas, it is the heart of the Bible Belt. This is the same Texas where gays used to be imprisoned for consensual sex acts, up until a few years ago. It stopped only because Supreme Court declared the Texas Sodomy law unconstitutional. Failing that, Texas would still be imprisoning gays.

So what is happening is in keeping with the reputation of Texas.

Singapore? Sodomy? Dictators? Gawd, I thought we were talking about a simple grooming code.
 

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Perhaps kids should also have to wear neat uniforms consisting of knee/elbow pads, helmets, goggles, etc., too, just so they don't get scrapes and bruises.
People are just silly to the point of being downright foolish. If anything they could at least come up with a health reason for this. But even then, they'd be hypocritical to the max as most of the teachers themselves don't look like paragons of health.
 

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A bit about the broken window "theory":

Criticism of the theory in popular press
In the best-seller More Guns, Less Crime (University of Chicago Press, 2000), economist John Lott, Jr. examined the use of the broken windows approach as well as community and problem oriented policing programs in cities over 10,000 in population over two decades. He found that the impact of these policing policies were not very consistent across different types of crime. He described the pattern as almost "random". For the broken windows approach, Lott found that the approach was actually associated with murder and auto theft rising and rapes and larceny falling. Increased arrest rates, affirmative action policies for hiring police, and right-to-carry laws were much more important in explaining the changes in crime rates.
In the best-seller Freakonomics, economist Steven D. Levitt and co-author Stephen J. Dubner cast doubt on the notion that the Broken Windows theory was wholly responsible for New York's drop in crime. He instead noticed that years before the 1990s, abortion was legalized. Women who were least able to raise kids (the poor, addicts and unstable) were able to get abortions, so the number of children being born in broken families was decreasing. Most crimes committed in New York are committed by 16-24 year old males; when this demographic decreased in number the crime rate followed.
Refutations of their analysis appeared in The Wall Street Journal[15] and The Economist.[16] The former quotes economists at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, who said, "[t]here are no statistical grounds for believing that the hypothetical youths who were aborted as fetuses would have been more likely to commit crimes had they reached maturity than the actual youths who developed from fetuses and carried to term."[15] Also, murder among the first post-Roe v. Wade cohort was, in some states, 3.1 times higher than the last group born before legalized abortion.[17] These data show crime increasing after the advent of legalized abortion, thus contradicting Levitt's and Dubner's conclusions. Furthermore, increased rates of incarceration accounts for some of the decline in crime rates discussed by Levitt and Dubner; the vicissitudes of the crack cocaine business also account for part of the rise and fall of crime rates during the period under discussion.[citation needed]
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countryboy

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And another view of "broken window"...

2/13/2009
The law enforcement field is taking note of the research efforts of Brenda J. Bond, assistant professor of Public Management, who is co-author of a journal article documenting significant crime drops in focused areas of Lowell where law enforcement problem-solving, public works and code enforcement had been brought to bear.
The long-debated “broken windows” theory of social behavior argues that crime is linked to physical and social disorder in a community.
In Lowell, this disorder took the form of trash-strewn streets, broken street lights, abandoned buildings, public drinking and loitering. In the course of the randomized research study, officials cleaned up half of the neighborhoods plagued by these sorts of prob
lems. Researchers then monitored the results and found that there were 20 percent fewer calls to police from the spruced-up areas compared to areas receiving traditional police response.
This study is critical in that it not only supports the theoretical aspects of Wilson & Kelling’s ‘Broken Windows’ theory, but it generates valuable knowledge that police practitioners can adopt as part of their policing strategies,” said Bond. “Moreover, the study shows that engagement of non-pu
blic-safety services is critical to crime reduction. By building on the work of my colleague, Dr. Braga, the results of this experiment will inform police strategy for years to come.”
Bond served as co-author of the research article, in the journal Criminology (8/09), with Anthony Braga of Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. The Boston Globe wrote about the study and its outcome in its Feb. 8 edition, with a follow-up editorial on Feb. 13, 2009.
Before and after photos above show one of the Lowell neighborhoods that police officers focused on as part of their problem-solving efforts. Trash was cleaned up, and the neighborhood saw a reduction of crime with no significant increase in crime in the surrounding neighborhoods.


Suffolk University - Research Boosts Broken Windows Theory - Suffolk University, Boston
 

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The quoted post is refuted here, here and here.

Your first link explains in the abstract: So far there has not been strong empirical support. There's many other variables affecting crime, and the few cases where you can show that crime rates drop, you can equally find cases where crime rates do not drop.

And I'll raise you here, and here.

More than that, I'll ask you to provide a reputable source that identifies long hair past the ears in pre-kindergartners as disorder, and affecting crime rates.
 

countryboy

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Your first link explains in the abstract: So far there has not been strong empirical support. There's many other variables affecting crime, and the few cases where you can show that crime rates drop, you can equally find cases where crime rates do not drop.

And I'll raise you here, and here.

More than that, I'll ask you to provide a reputable source that identifies long hair past the ears in pre-kindergartners as disorder, and affecting crime rates.

Hey, maybe some of us got a bit off-topic there, Tonington. You make a good point.

It's just long hair, after all!
 

countryboy

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... and a hero the the Christians of the day, too. Maybe the school's board are anti-Christian.

Yeah but did Samson even go to school? If he did, I'm pretty sure it wasn't in Texas. Besides, doesn't the story say that he couldn't cut his hair, even if he wanted to? Or was it that it went limp when he was under the spell of...oh heck, I can't remember the details...
 

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Yeah but did Samson even go to school? If he did, I'm pretty sure it wasn't in Texas. Besides, doesn't the story say that he couldn't cut his hair, even if he wanted to? Or was it that it went limp when he was under the spell of...oh heck, I can't remember the details...
Fine then .... Moses had long hair. :D
 

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The story of Samson illustrated by a harmless joke:

Back during the Depression there were these two Irish hoboes, by the names, Pat and Mike. They travelled from place to place, picking up an occasional odd job, to feed themselves.

Well, they came to this deeply religious community one day. The lady who answered their knock on her door responded to their request to do odd jobs for food saying that in her town only people who know their Bible will get a job, so do they know anything about the Good Book?

To which Pat replied: "I know the story of Samson. He was so strong that he licked 50 thousand philistines with the broken jaw bone of an ass".

The lady was properly impressed. Gave Pat and Mike a job, a meal and sent them on their way.

When they came to a similar town, once again they were asked if they know their Bible. Mike volunteered the answer, saying that he knows about Samson: "Samson was a strong guy. Once he licked the ass of 50 thousand philistines, till he had a broken jaw".
 

countryboy

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Fine then .... Moses had long hair. :D

And a hell of a big boat too! OK, you win - some of those Biblical guys had long hair. But, they also had long flowing robes and an entirely different "dress code of the day" so I'm wondering if it's fair to compare "apples and oranges" (or maybe it's figs and dates) here! :lol:
 

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The story of Samson illustrated by a harmless joke:

Back during the Depression there were these two Irish hoboes, by the names, Pat and Mike. They travelled from place to place, picking up an occasional odd job, to feed themselves.

Well, they came to this deeply religious community one day. The lady who answered their knock on her door responded to their request to do odd jobs for food saying that in her town only people who know their Bible will get a job, so do they know anything about the Good Book?

To which Pat replied: "I know the story of Samson. He was so strong that he licked 50 thousand philistines with the broken jaw bone of an ass".

The lady was properly impressed. Gave Pat and Mike a job, a meal and sent them on their way.

When they came to a similar town, once again they were asked if they know their Bible. Mike volunteered the answer, saying that he knows about Samson: "Samson was a strong guy. Once he licked the ass of 50 thousand philistines, till he had a broken jaw".

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