Lieutenant-General Roméo Antonius Dallaire

gerryh

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No - He reports to the CDS - You are the FFn idiot. To remove a CO - The CDS would be more than aware of all the crap going on - Again you prove yourself to be an idiot.


Ahhhhh...I see.... so the commission report is full of shyte then.
 

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Ahhhhh...I see.... so the commission report is full of shyte then.

You really are ffn dumb - Do you think a General would hang the CDS. Really - are you that misinformed. It just does not happen

And how did the commission end. And why did it end.
 

gerryh

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ya...ok.... whatever.....


and BTW...I'm not a pacifist...I'm pro-life. Pacifist is your word, not mine.
 

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ya...ok.... whatever.....


and BTW...I'm not a pacifist...I'm pro-life. Pacifist is your word, not mine.

I understood you were a pacifist. My mistake. But you do condone and practice violence do you not?
 

gerryh

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Shall we both return to being civil to each other. That is what I prefer.


I have never liked you...from the beginning. I have backed off on you because of Bear. I put you in the same place that canuck is. A moron that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, shoots his mouth off, and refuses to acknowledge when they are wrong or have been bested. So, no, I'm tired of watching your bullshyte.
 

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I have never liked you...from the beginning. I have backed off on you because of Bear. I put you in the same place that canuck is. A moron that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, shoots his mouth off, and refuses to acknowledge when they are wrong or have been bested. So, no, I'm tired of watching your bullshyte.

Why that is how I figured you would reply.
 

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ES re Dallaire

Do you know the reason why he sent Belgians instead of his own?

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Hey he kept his boys safe! Can you imagine if the Yanks sent the Canucks to be slaughtered and completely without support?....

Well as Dellaire put it...

"They were the best I had"

A Canadian saying that another countries soldiers were better than his own...sad....AND UNACCEPTABLE. I don't believe for one minute that Belgian soldiers are better than Canadian soldiers. I'll take Canada over Belgium any day of the week.

And yes... if an American General sent 10 Canadians into a sh*t storm before sending Americans, ... and they were killed ,Canada would be furious. Instead they gave Dellaire a medal.


Saying that about Dallaire pushes a button for me. Congrats ES.

That's because you're a nationalist.



I understood your meaning that Dallaire is a murderer. He deliberately sent Belgians to their death. But upon rereading it, you never did answer your own question:

Nope. More lies and misinformation. Dallaire was not a murderer. Never said it. Please post where I did.

Do you know the reason why he sent Belgians instead of his own?

I told you what he said. Do you have aything to dispute? Has he changed his story?

Instead you said this:

ES: "On the first night of the war, Rwandan government forces were murdering Tutsi and Hutu moderate politicians. Dallaire dispatched one unit of 10 Belgian peacekeepers to secure the home of Rwanda's prime minister. The Belgians were by far the most experienced of his soldiers. But they were ambushed, taken prisoner and later tortured, mutilated and murdered." Many are alive due to his (Dallaire's) actions?Are you serious? 800,000 were killed!

You are combining multple posts and me quoting other sources all in one singular quote. More disinformation because you're getting PWNED.

More lies from you. Keep trying.

No ES please tell us... Why did Dallaire sent Belgians instead of his own?

As I said... Dellaire said the Belgians were the best he had. THAT is UNACCEPTABLE. With the experience and history that Canada has in fighting wars how can Dellaire possibly say that Belgian troops are better than Canadian?
 
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Again; "JUST MY OPINION" but in the absence of any forum decorum shown to date, just as valid as alternative opinions, I'll further HYPOTHESIZE that Dallaires statement of "they were the best he had" was a bone thrown to soften the Belgian's formal stance against him as they were very vociferous in their condemnation of his behaviour.

I believe Dallaire got a pass given to him by the subsequent commission due to Canada's long standing with the peace keeper community and to do otherwise would have been an indictment upon the U.N. authority. . I further believe all at the top know very well that the ball was dropped many times with Dallaire being just one of the chips that were allowed to fall during those terrible days.
 

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Well I disagree with you both about Dallaire. Dallaire was given an impossible mission and insufficient resources. I don't think Dallaire could have known he was sending the 10 Belgian peacekeepers off to be "slaughtered". Once Dallaire realized his situation he changed course. He knew he couldn't stop the slaughter with his limited resources. Instead he used his limited people and resources to create safe zones and waited for the re-informcements.... which never came, even after many pleas for assistance and long after the images of thousands of dead bodies made the news. Dalliare and the other UN peacekeepers were fortunate to survive this mission. Without Dallaire's leadership, far more people including more UN peacekeepers would have died. Dallaire's actions are credited with saving over 32,000 lives.

While Dallaire was trying to stop the fighting and protect civilians from slaughter, arms merchants in Belgium, Israel, France, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Egypt continued to send weapons to Rwanda. Those governments continued to approve arms shipments to Rwanda even after the Arusha Accord was signed, which banned countries from shipping arms to Rwanda. A good chance that the Belgian peacekeepers were killed by weapons shipped from Belgium.

I agree this mission was more of a failure than a success, but the responsibility lies with Dallaire's superiors at the UN, who created the conditions for failure in the beginning by limiting Dallaire's ability to use force and refused Dallaire's repeated demands for re-inforcements.

Dallaire's actions are credited with directly saving the lives of 32,000 persons of different races.
 

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Dellaire's leadership?

It was a disaster. A complete disaster. One of the worst genocides ever recorded and the Peacekeepers were supposed to keep peace.

It was a failure.
 

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I've alway thought Dallaire was kind of a strutting peacock, who craved the limelight. There wasn't a talkshow you couldn't find him on after the Rwanda fiasco, painting himself as a great humanitarian.

He's one of those military bureacrats who revel in braids and ribbons.. parades and pomp.. that go with rank. But when tested in the heat of an emergency that requires a swift, bold and decisive response, end up doing nothing but complaining about a lack of 'resources' and 'orders'.. and leaving his command to fend for itself. :roll:

I don't think he's as popular in Belgium as the media has made him in Canada.
 
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Well I disagree with you both about Dallaire. Dallaire was given an impossible mission and insufficient resources. I don't think Dallaire could have known he was sending the 10 Belgian peacekeepers off to be "slaughtered". Once Dallaire realized his situation he changed course. He knew he couldn't stop the slaughter with his limited resources. Instead he used his limited people and resources to create safe zones and waited for the re-informcements.... which never came, even after many pleas for assistance and long after the images of thousands of dead bodies made the news. Dalliare and the other UN peacekeepers were fortunate to survive this mission. Without Dallaire's leadership, far more people including more UN peacekeepers would have died. Dallaire's actions are credited with saving over 32,000 lives.

While Dallaire was trying to stop the fighting and protect civilians from slaughter, arms merchants in Belgium, Israel, France, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, and Egypt continued to send weapons to Rwanda. Those governments continued to approve arms shipments to Rwanda even after the Arusha Accord was signed, which banned countries from shipping arms to Rwanda. A good chance that the Belgian peacekeepers were killed by weapons shipped from Belgium.

I agree this mission was more of a failure than a success, but the responsibility lies with Dallaire's superiors at the UN, who created the conditions for failure in the beginning by limiting Dallaire's ability to use force and refused Dallaire's repeated demands for re-inforcements.

Dallaire's actions are credited with directly saving the lives of 32,000 persons of different races.

Peacekeeper to the World | CBC Archives

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In this CBC Television interview, Dallaire recalls being undermined by the United Nations, his dismissal from the military, and his subsequent deep depression. Dallaire stoically recalls the Rwanda peacekeeping operation and says with emotion and regret, "I failed yes, the mission failed and they died by the thousands." Genocide in Rwanda

• In October 1990, the Hutu Rwandan government clashed with the Tutsi-led Rwandese Patriotic Front. The Hutus and the Tutsis, who had a long history of ethnic struggle, engaged in a brutal and bloody civil war. In April 1994, 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were murdered. By 1994, rebel Tutsis gained the upper hand and quashed the genocide.

• When Dallaire left Rwanda, he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. After he didn't respond to treatment, he was medically dismissed from the military. Dallaire subsequently fell into a deep depression and attempted suicide. After reaching his lowest point and fighting his way back, the retired lieutenant general published Shake Hands With the Devil, an account of his experiences in Rwanda.
• Dallaire served with the Canadian Forces for 35 years.

• In 2004, Dallaire published Shake Hands With the Devil: The Failure of Humanity in Rwanda in which he criticized the United Nations, the United States' isolationist policies, and a general lack of statesmanship.

• "Shell shock" or "battle fatigue" was first diagnosed by British military doctors in 1914. Some thought it was brain damage caused by artillery shells bursting overhead; others thought it was simply cowardice and sent their patients back to the front. Some of these soldiers disobeyed orders, deserted or committed suicide. Today it is called post-traumatic stress disorder: a witness or victim of something distressing is mentally or physically affected by their ordeal.

• Many Blue Berets suffered the effects of post-traumatic stress disorder after serving in the Rwandan mission. In 1999, the Canadian Forces produced a 33-minute video titled Witness The Evil, which addressed the trauma and stress of military service. The Department of National Defence also earmarked an additional $1.5 million to funnel into services providing post-traumatic stress treatment.


• Countries supplying peacekeeping forces included: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chad, Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Fiji, Germany, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Guyana, India, Jordan, Kenya, Malawi, Mali, Netherlands, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Russian Federation, Senegal, Slovak Republic, Spain, Switzerland, Togo, Tunisia, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Zambia and Zimbabwe.
• On March 8, 1996, after failing to receive an extension from the Rwanda government, the peacekeepers ended their mission.

• In 1999, an independent inquiry into the Rwanda peacekeeping operation said that the United Nations ignored evidence that a genocide was being planned and failed to act once the genocide had begun. Kofi Annan, who was head of peacekeeping at the time of the mission, accepted the blame. "On behalf of the UN, I acknowledge this failure and express my deep remorse," Annan said.
Genocide in Rwanda

Medium: Television

Program: The National

Broadcast Date: Oct. 24, 2003

Guest(s): Roméo Dallaire, Christine Shelly
 

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I have never liked you...from the beginning. I have backed off on you because of Bear. I put you in the same place that canuck is. A moron that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, shoots his mouth off, and refuses to acknowledge when they are wrong or have been bested. So, no, I'm tired of watching your bullshyte.

Do not make excuses - So get on with it.