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Elite soldiers involved in Canada’s most dangerous and secretive military operations could now lose a special monthly allowance if they are sick or injured for more than 180 days, CTV News has learned.

The Department of National Defence quietly rolled out the policy in September.

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The new rules mean that personnel with the Canadian Special Operations Forces -- many of whom work on top-secret missions across the globe -- will lose the special compensation if illness or injury restricts their duties for more than 180 days.

Paratroopers, submarine crews, pilots and air crews, rescue technicians and ships’ crews are also among the affected.

Sources tell CTV News the Department of National Defence is now enforcing the policy, and pay is being clawed back with little warning.

But those most affected by the controversial policy can't speak publicly because their identities remain secret. Some have told CTV’s Mercedes Stephenson that they're frustrated and don't understand why they are taking a financial hit over temporary injuries.

The Canadian Forces is defending the new rules and says the pay in question is linked to specific duties that troops must be able to perform to qualify.

Lieutenant-General Charles Lamarre said the policy is “a question of fairness.”

“But we still want to give them a good period of time in which they can get better in roughly half a year,” Lamarre said. “And if they can't, that allowance will be removed.”

Critics say the policy could place undue stress on soldiers, who may feel pressured to hide their injuries or rush back to work before they are better.

Conservative defence critic James Bezan called the move hypocritical as the Liberal government says it’s prioritizing mental health.

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“They are again saying one thing and doing another that undermines not only the Canadian Armed Forces, but the health of our soldiers,” Bezan said.

The new policy could translate to a loss of more than $23,000 in pay over six months for a JTF-2 assaulter.

Chris Dupee, a veteran who has struggled with post-traumatic stress disorder, says he understands the government’s position.

“I get both sides. I understand the economics of taking away the allowance if you're not deployable I get all that,” he said.

But he also knows that losing the monthly allowance is a hard blow to military families.

“That's a big chunk taken out of your family income that you've grown used to,” Dupee said.

Dupee worries that soldiers who require time to recover may be counting down the days they have left to get back on the job, even if they’re not ready.

“That's a clock that's ticking. That's something that's going to be constantly embedded into that individual's mind, right? And that's going to be a huge stress,” he said.

Former Special Forces Commander Steve Day said the policy will have serious consequences on the forces.

“It will become a morale issue and without a doubt it will affect retention,” Day said.

“We may unfortunately start seeing soldiers and sailors, air men and air women, hiding their injuries if they know that potentially some of their financial compensation is at risk.”

With a report from CTV’s Mercedes Stephenson in Ottawa

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It ain't an entitlement when its earned
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unlike your welfare deposits
 

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Pogey every winter but he's a fiscal Conservative.

Well, I am one of the few here that continually and consistently argues for less government spending and a cut to entitlements so it's pretty clear I'm a conservative regardless of where you socialists believe I get my money.

Anyways, back to the recycling plant for me
 

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Exclusive: Compensation cut for elite soldiers if injuries last more than 180 days | CTV News

MENU**VIDEO**LOCAL*

Compensation cut for elite soldiers if injuries last more than 180 days

CTVNews.ca Staff*
Published Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:19PM EST*

CTV National News: Military money maneuver

*

Now Playing

CTV National News: Military money maneuver

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Compensation for injured elite soldiers cut back

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Elite soldiers involved in Canada’s most dangerous and secretive military operations could now lose a special monthly allowance if they are sick or injured for more than 180 days, CTV News has learned.

The Department of National Defence quietly rolled out the policy in September.

Advertisement

The new rules mean that personnel with the Canadian Special Operations Forces -- many of whom work on top-secret missions across the globe -- will lose the special compensation if illness or injury restricts their duties for more than 180 days.

Paratroopers, submarine crews, pilots and air crews, rescue technicians and ships’ crews are also among the affected.

Sources tell CTV News the Department of National Defence is now enforcing the policy, and pay is being clawed back with little warning.

But those most affected by the controversial policy can't speak publicly because their identities remain secret. Some have told CTV’s Mercedes Stephenson that they're frustrated and don't understand why they are taking a financial hit over temporary injuries.

The Canadian Forces is defending the new rules and says the pay in question is linked to specific duties that troops must be able to perform to qualify.

Lieutenant-General Charles Lamarre said the policy is “a question of fairness.”

“But we still want to give them a good period of time in which they can get better in roughly half a year,” Lamarre said. “And if they can't, that allowance will be removed.”

Critics say the policy could place undue stress on soldiers, who may feel pressured to hide their injuries or rush back to work before they are better.

Conservative defence critic James Bezan called the move hypocritical as the Liberal government says it’s prioritizing mental health.

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“They are again saying one thing and doing another that undermines not only the Canadian Armed Forces, but the health of our soldiers,” Bezan said.

The new policy could translate to a loss of more than $23,000 in pay over six months for a JTF-2 assaulter.

Chris Dupee, a veteran who has struggled with post-traumatic stress disorder, says he understands the government’s position.

“I get both sides. I understand the economics of taking away the allowance if you're not deployable I get all that,” he said.

But he also knows that losing the monthly allowance is a hard blow to military families.

“That's a big chunk taken out of your family income that you've grown used to,” Dupee said.

Dupee worries that soldiers who require time to recover may be counting down the days they have left to get back on the job, even if they’re not ready.

“That's a clock that's ticking. That's something that's going to be constantly embedded into that individual's mind, right? And that's going to be a huge stress,” he said.

Former Special Forces Commander Steve Day said the policy will have serious consequences on the forces.

“It will become a morale issue and without a doubt it will affect retention,” Day said.

“We may unfortunately start seeing soldiers and sailors, air men and air women, hiding their injuries if they know that potentially some of their financial compensation is at risk.”

With a report from CTV’s Mercedes Stephenson in Ottawa

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Shades of Julian Fantino


Veterans who felt betrayed by federal Conservatives and worked to drum them out of office in 2015 are now making what could be a last-ditch pitch to the governing Liberals to live up to all of their campaign promises.

They are meeting with MPs and senators over the next few days to brief them on a wide-range of gaps that still remain in the system of benefits, despite billions of dollars having been poured into programs and services for ex-soldiers in the last two budgets.

Notable among the events will be a meeting with the Conservative caucus, which was often vilified by angry veterans who felt abandoned when the former government, in defending itself from a class-action lawsuit, said Ottawa owes no special monetary or legal obligation to ex-soldiers.

Many veterans advocates feel as though they are back at a political crossroads.

"What other options do we have?" asked Aaron Bedard, a former combat engineer, who is one of the principals behind the Equitas class-action lawsuit, which alleges soldiers who served in Afghanistan are being discriminated against.

He said the Liberal caucus did not offer to meet with a panel of ex-soldiers and advocates who have become self-taught, passionate experts in the various defects of the benefits of system.

The new veterans charter, introduced by the Liberals in 2005 but championed by the Conservatives throughout their tenure, replaced pensions with lump sum payments for injuries.

It is not as generous as the system under the old Pension Act and it is that inequality which is at the heart of the class-action lawsuit.
The Trudeau government signaled in last spring's budget that it would have something to say before the end of the year on the issue of veterans pensions.

"The Liberals have, to date, let us down," said Campbell, who noted the Conservatives put the lawsuit on hold, but soon after coming to power the Liberals allowed it to proceed.

'Liberals have let us down,' says frustrated vet awaiting pension decision - Politics - CBC News


 

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Veterans Affairs used to be run by veterans then, a few decades back, it was taken over by parsimonious bean counters. In the grand scheme of things, the liability that the injured vets represents is peanuts and it is part of our moral contract with those who serve to take care of them when they take a bullet for all of us. Both Liberals and Conservatives have behaved shamefully to our wounded warriors.
The greater Canadian public are just as much to blame for turning their backs on the defence of our land. Someday, that could be our collective undoing.
 

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CRying about losing $23 grand?

This country took billions of dollars out of this guys pension fund with no intention of ever repaying it.
 

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The ones who really got ****ed were the ww1 and ww2 vets. It was just accepted that there were too many of them to take care of properly and that shitty mindset still pervades the country when we could be taking excellent care of every one of these people.

CAnada has a long tradition of lip service.,
 

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The ones who really got ****ed were the ww1 and ww2 vets. It was just accepted that there were too many of them to take care of properly and that shitty mindset still pervades the country when we could be taking excellent care of every one of these people.

CAnada has a long tradition of lip service.,

That's why I like to visit!