Liberal phobia and the cause….

JLM

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"However, all the views that you have expressed so far are conservative views. Privatizing the health care, bringing back the death penalty, a doctrinaire support of tax cuts (regardless of what it does to the deficit), opposition to the minimum wage for the poor etc."-

So what if those views are conservative, does that disqualify them as valid? I think those views could be liberal too. But that is not what's important, what is important is (with the exception of the death penalty) they are just common sense views (not to exclude any other common sense views) that I happen to think would make for a better life for Canadians. This "tax and spend" philosophy of yours just isn't working. Let the consumers do the spending- they know better than any bureaucrat how to manage money.
 

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Depends upon what one means by conservative, Kreskin. To me, ‘fiscally conservative’ means what conservatives have been doing fiscally, it means borrow and spend. Fiscally conservative means supporting huge debt and deficits (that is what conservatives have been doing fiscally, for a long time now).

I am for balanced budget and I would support spending cuts and tax increases to do it. I consider myself a fiscal centrist, not a fiscal conservative.

I consider myself to be a fiscal common senserist. That means utilizing economic actions that get to the root cause of the problems at hand, such as spending money on stimulating the economy when it's depressed due to a worldwide recession.

Implementing tax increases when investment in income-generating activites is already down seems to be more than a bit counter-productive, not to mention the additional hardship that would be imposed on those still working. To be in favour of tax increases shows a complete lack of regard for your fellow Canadians, not that something like that would bother you. We're all know you're quite comfortable, so "why worry about it?", adn that of course puts you in good and consistent stead with your fellow Liberal elite extremists. Perfectly understandable.

You might think I'm somewhat conservative in my views, but it doesn't matter to me what you think.
 

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I consider myself to be a fiscal common senserist. That means utilizing economic actions that get to the root cause of the problems at hand, such as spending money on stimulating the economy when it's depressed due to a worldwide recession.

Implementing tax increases when investment in income-generating activites is already down seems to be more than a bit counter-productive, not to mention the additional hardship that would be imposed on those still working. To be in favour of tax increases shows a complete lack of regard for your fellow Canadians, not that something like that would bother you. We're all know you're quite comfortable, so "why worry about it?", adn that of course puts you in good and consistent stead with your fellow Liberal elite extremists. Perfectly understandable.

You might think I'm somewhat conservative in my views, but it doesn't matter to me what you think.
Windy but insightful. Cool!
 

JLM

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"To be in favour of tax increases shows a complete lack of regard for your fellow Canadians, not that something like that would bother you. We're all know you're quite comfortable"

That, Countryboy, is what is known as the "Screw you Jack, I'm all right" Syndrome. LOL
 

countryboy

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Windy but insightful. Cool!

Quite so, Anna, quite so. (The windy part, I mean)
I have found that certain people demand a rather detailed explanation of the point so that it has a better chance of sinking in.

In extreme cases, the windy detailed explanation only makes me feel better because it is futile to try and make a "beautiful mind" out of one that is devoid of the ability to absorb information and/or objectively examine a viewpoint that might be just a tad different than one's own. Never hurts to try, though. Call me the eternal optimist...I figure there's hope for everyone! :lol:
 

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"fiscal common senserist" I like that party.

I'll go for that one.
If that study that Anna mentioned is the one I am thinking of it made me out to be a Libertarian. I looked up the Libertarian website and I am most definitely not in their camp. I am fiscally conservative but not a supporter of Harpers religious nut-bars. On social issues I am Liberal. Just have no use for the current leader or the idiot he replaced. Probably the only time I agreed with Turdo is when he said that the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation. Unless of course it involves a minor or is non consensual.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I guess King John wrote the Magna Carta. :lol::lol::lol: BAck on topic, Anna I honestly don't think 80-90% of Canadians today give any conscious thought to the Charter and even less connect it with Trudeau- it's just not sh*t we think about in our day to day affairs. Until his Lordship started expounded on it, it never entered my mind much less in connection with Trudeau. When I think of Trudeau, I think of three things, Debt, "Fuddle Duddle" and the Finger.
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Average Canadian may not know much about the Charter, but I think he knows that Trudeau gave us the Charter. The Charter is very popular (about 70% of Canadians love the Charter), and so is Trudeau.

And are you saying that until I pointed out, you didn’t know that Trudeau gave us the Charter? In a way, it doesn’t surprise me; I don’t know what they teach in public schools about Trudeau in the West.
 

Ron in Regina

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Liberal phobia and the cause….

1% of people over 15 are 10-pin bowlers.
1% of children under 12 are adopted.
2% of the population believes that global trade issues should be the top priority of political leaders.
2% of Canadians believe that arranged marriages work best.
3% of the population lives on a farm and is employed in agriculture.
4% of women 21 to 24 have had sex at work, compared with 8% for women in their 40s and 19% for all adults.
5% of women believe that they benefit more from marriage than men do.
5% of Canada's millionaires live in the Atlantic provinces.
6% of Canadians rank Brian Mulroney as the best prime minister of the 20th century.
7% of people over 55 have Internet access at home. They spend an average of 748.8 minutes on-line every month.
7% of female executives believe that women in private-sector management positions will never be paid as well as men.
8% of the population is happy with the way prime ministers appoint Supreme Court of Canada judges.
8% of Canadians say the Internet is their principal source of health information.
9% of Ontario adults used marijuana in 1998.
10% of Ontario motorists drove after drinking in 1998.
10% of Canadians are not opposed to cloning entire human beings.
11% of Canadians say they understand government pension programs.
12% of Canadians know the name of the 1864 conference that led to Confederation three years later.
12% of the corporate officers at Canada's 560 largest companies are women.
13% of Canadians say they have reduced their exposure to the sun to lower the risk of cancer.
13% of adults say they have no sex life.
14% of Canadian men say it's all right to take a mistress while married.
15% of the people 18 to 29 years old have one or more headaches a week.
16% of Canadians say they learned about sex at school.
17% of Canada's population in 1996 was born elsewhere.
18% of Canadians support genetic selection of a child's gender before birth.
19% of Canadian children live in poverty (1997).
20% of people believe that Canada's courts are doing a good job of determining whether accused people are guilty.
20% of households have three or more colour televisions.
21% of Canadians read a newspaper at least once a month (49% do so daily).
22% of men say they know what their spouses' sexual fantasies are, compared with 32% of women.
23% of Canadian millionaires reported that golfing is their favourite leisure activity.
24% of people 18 to 34 years old can identify Paul Henderson as the player who scored the winning goal in the 1972 Canada-Soviet Union hockey series.
25% of Canadian women regularly participate in sport, compared with 34% of men.
25% of working women report that they were subject to physical, verbal or sexual abuse at work.
26% of Ontario adults smoke cigarettes.
26% of Canadians would take an opportunity to become a U.S. citizen.
26% of the population prefers drugs and tobacco to relieve stress.
27% people over 15 are single (51% are married and 7.7% are separated or divorced).
28% of Canadians say it would make no difference in their buying habits if they knew some foods contained genetically modified products.
29% of boys 7 to 13 years old are overweight.
29% of parents would be willing to implant a painless tracking device inside their newborn children.
30% of adults have used a natural-health alternative remedy rather than an over-the-counter drug in the previous six months.
31% of Canadians read at least a book a week.
32% of Canadians say they haven't had a "good, hard laugh" in the previous week.
32% of women under the age of 34 say they are bothered by wrinkles and signs of aging.
33% of women 40 to 49 years old have had sex in a public place.
33% of the population believes that too many immigrants are allowed into Canada.
34% of people over 15 attended a concert or professional performance in 1998.
35% of people believe the government plays too large a role in their lives.
35% of men say they would prefer reporting to a male supervisor; 37% of women would rather report to a female supervisor.
36% of men (mostly under the age of 30) support providing tax relief to Canadian National Hockey League franchises, compared with 27% of women.
37% of the population reports a family history of heart disease.
38% of people believe that the Bible's account of the beginning of life should be taken literally.
39% of adults believe that the stock market will continue to flourish for the next two to five years.
40% of on-line Canadian households have downloaded MP3 music files and one-third of them do it weekly.
40% of food-bank users are under the age of 18.
41% of Canada's one-family households own their own home but are still paying down a mortgage.
41% of the population is taking two or more prescription drugs.
42% of adults say they are more stressed now than they were five years ago.
42% of Canadians say having more money is the single best thing that would improve their lives.
43% of Canadians say marriage is a lifelong commitment.
43% of Canadians support the power of the courts to make law.
43% of men 25 to 29 years old say they are satisfied with their sex lives, compared with 54% of women in the same age group.
44% of men believe that it is easier for men than women to advance in the workplace; 66% of women think that men have it easier.
45% of Canadians say marijuana use should be legalized.
46% say the top priority of the federal government in its next mandate should be improving the education system.
46% of women constantly think about their weight, compared with 23% of men.
47% of the population believes that the health-care system is becoming too expensive to finance entirely through tax dollars.
47% of the population of Saskatchewan does volunteer work.
48% of Canadians say the devil is active in the world today; 65% of those in Atlantic Canada believe it.
48% of Canadians believe that life in the next decade will be better than it is now.
48% of women had their first kiss when they were 14 to 17 years old.
49% of adults say it is not appropriate to kiss co-workers under the mistletoe at the office Christmas party.
49% of adults own stocks either directly or through mutual funds.
50% of the population believes that they have become more like Americans in the past decade.
50% of Canadians believe that the money that would be spent hosting the 2008 Olympics would be better spent on social programs.
51% of households with smoke detectors are "very confident" that they will give enough warning of a fire.
52% of men over the age of 65 participate in physical activity regularly.
53% of teenagers over the age of 15 years had jobs in 1995.
54% of Canadians use the Internet from home to seek medical and health information.
55% of Ontarians favour raising taxes and spending the money directly on health care.
56% of adults say their parents were fair when they growing up.
57% of people believe that tax exemptions for native people should be phased out.
58% of Canadians think that the federal Liberal government is arrogant and corrupt.
58% of females over the age of 15 are in the labour force.
59% of the population over the age of 15 goes to the cinema regularly.
59% of retired people found the transition from full-time work to retirement "not at all difficult."
60% of those 15 to 17 years old say they use contraception each time they have sex.
60% of people believe that the political party that spends the most during an election is almost certain to win.
61% of people said their fellow Canadians are more overweight than the rest of the world.
61% of Canadian households have a videocassette recorder.
62% of people in the greater Toronto area say traffic congestion is the issue of urban life that most needs improvement.
63% of the population worries about getting cancer.
63% of Canadians feel that they do not have any say over what their government does.
64% of adults say they are in a loving relationship.
65% of the population believes that humans evolved from other species.
66% of Canadians say that "any woman who wants to have an abortion should be able to."
67% of the population opposes abandoning the Canadian dollar in favour of U.S. currency.
68% of adults took some form of nutritional supplement in the previous month.
69% of wives with a child under the age of 6 are in the labour market.
70% of Canadians believe that evil acts will be punished eventually through the criminal-justice system.
71% of men believe that they have above-average intelligence; 66% of women think the same of themselves.
72% of the population participated in regulated or unregulated gambling in the past year.
73% of Canadians say they would select Canada if they could pick any country in the world in which to live.
74% of women 18 to 24 years old prefer men who aren't balding.
75% of business owners believe that their children should start at the bottom and work their way up.
75% of teens who go on-line say they do it mostly to play games.
76% of women say they would kill someone if their lives depended on it, compared with 90% of men.
77% of Canadians say they "generally trust" their fellow countrymen.
78% of people with Internet access at work say they use it for personal reasons.
78% of Quebeckers believe that the news media should publish the names and photographs of pedophiles when they are released from prison.
79% of people 12 to 17 years old drink iced tea.
80% of Canadians identify themselves as Christians, with Roman Catholics accounting for 45% of the population (1995).
80% of the population believe that all guns should be registered.
80% of Canadian households eat in a restaurant at least once every two weeks.
81% of the population have at least one snack every day and most go for junk food such as potato chips and chocolate bars.
82% of Canadians support the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
83% of single parents are women.
84% of adults say they believe in God.
85% of people want corporate executives held accountable for avoidable workplace accidents.
85% of motorists admit to at least one act of aggressive driving in the previous 12 months.
86% of Canadians have tried and failed to lose weight permanently.
87% of Torontonians have a favourable view of the city's police force.
88% of Canadians think that mapping the human genetic code will increase their quality of life and health.
88% of the population believe that people with money have great influence over governments.
89% of women are worried about privacy issues in on-line banking, compared with 78% of men.
90% of Canadians own a bank debit card and 42% prefer to use it to pay for their purchases.
91% of people say they had no intention of buying a Christmas gift for a co-worker, employee or boss.
91% of Canadians are satisfied with their personal safety.
92% of men still think of their first loves, compared with 83% of women.
93% of women and 83% of men say they are satisfied with the medical care they received in the past year.
94% of Canadians say they are proud of their country.
95% of high-tech workers under the age of 30 have no children.
96% of men -- Canadians, Americans, Europeans and Australians -- report they are happy with their use of Viagra.
97% of those 12 to 24 years old say that showing courtesy to others is important.
97% of tea in Canada is consumed hot; in the United States, 85% of tea is served iced.
98% of Canadians cannot name the landmark 1929 judicial decision that allowed women to sit in the Senate.
99% of adults say they love their mothers.
100% of the population rarely agrees about anything. This is Canada, after all.
(CanadaInfo: Symbols, Facts, & Lists: 100% Canadian)

....but about 70% of Canadians love the Charter? Really? Whatever...
 

YukonJack

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I give to the memory of Trudeau exactly the same as he gave Canadians: The finger, fuddle-duddle and lawyers the licence to print money.
 

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Second Canadian poll has big Conservative lead gone..........................
Second Canadian poll has big Conservative lead gone | Reuters

YouTube - Stephen Harper copies John Howard


Talking about two puppets condoning torture and kissing Bushes ass , on a lie…………………. How can one trust a bunch that told Canadians 4 years ego let us clean up Ottawa from the mess, while they were given 12 billion in surpluses, squandered it, and put the country on the same financial sinking ship like Bush did to his country. Essentially Bush pulled a Mulroney on the American people, and the results were devastating for the US.

A majority for the Harper Cons will spell the final nail on the Canadian economic coffin.
 

YukonJack

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Impressive list of statistics, Ron in Regina.

There is one thing on your list that makes me fearful of Canada: Only 1% of the people over 15 years of age are 10 pin bowlers. That means that 99% prefer the insipid, girlish, weak and known-nowhere-else-in-the-world of 5 pin bowling.
 

JLM

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Average Canadian may not know much about the Charter, but I think he knows that Trudeau gave us the Charter. The Charter is very popular (about 70% of Canadians love the Charter), and so is Trudeau.

And are you saying that until I pointed out, you didn’t know that Trudeau gave us the Charter? In a way, it doesn’t surprise me; I don’t know what they teach in public schools about Trudeau in the West.

I would have been in my late 30s when we got the Charter, and dumb as I was in school, I had graduated from public school a couple of weeks previous to the Charter. :lol:
 

Ron in Regina

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Liberal phobia and the cause….

Impressive list of statistics, Ron in Regina.

There is one thing on your list that makes me fearful of Canada: Only 1% of the people over 15 years of age are 10 pin bowlers. That means that 99% prefer the insipid, girlish, weak and known-nowhere-else-in-the-world of 5 pin bowling.


...or have embraced the Manly Sport of "Full-Contact Lawn Bowling?" 8O

Anyway, back to: Liberal phobia and the cause….
 
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JLM

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Impressive list of statistics, Ron in Regina.

There is one thing on your list that makes me fearful of Canada: Only 1% of the people over 15 years of age are 10 pin bowlers. That means that 99% prefer the insipid, girlish, weak and known-nowhere-else-in-the-world of 5 pin bowling.

Better watch it there, Buster, I bowl 5 pins every Wed. evening. :lol:
 

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"However, all the views that you have expressed so far are conservative views. Privatizing the health care, bringing back the death penalty, a doctrinaire support of tax cuts (regardless of what it does to the deficit), opposition to the minimum wage for the poor etc."-

So what if those views are conservative, does that disqualify them as valid? I think those views could be liberal too. But that is not what's important, what is important is (with the exception of the death penalty) they are just common sense views (not to exclude any other common sense views) that I happen to think would make for a better life for Canadians. This "tax and spend" philosophy of yours just isn't working. Let the consumers do the spending- they know better than any bureaucrat how to manage money.

The point is not that these views are invalid because they are conservative, that is irrelevant. The point is that these views are conservative, they are mostly supported by conservatives, and what is your problem if I characterize them as conservative views? Why should you take offence at that?

And you think these views could be liberal too? Sorry, but I don’t think too many liberals oppose minimum wage, or want to bring back the death penalty or want to privatize health care. These are very much conservative positions.

Now, we could argue whether these views are valid or not, there can be a difference of opinion. However, why should you be offended if I characterize them as conservative?
 

SirJosephPorter

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This "tax and spend" philosophy of yours just isn't working. Let the consumers do the spending- they know better than any bureaucrat how to manage money.

And just who is practicing the tax and spend philosophy? Harper? Obama? Did Chrétien/Martin practice it? Clinton? Exactly who are these politicians who are practicing the tax and spend philosophy?

The fact is, tax and spend went out of fashion with the center left a long time ago. However, borrow and spend is still popular with conservatives. Let us make a list here of all the conservative proponents of borrow and spend philosophy.

Reagan
1st Bush
2nd Bush
Mulroney
Harper
Mike Harris.

While tax and spend went out of fashion a long time ago, borrow and spend is still very much popular among the conservatives,
 

JLM

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The point is not that these views are invalid because they are conservative, that is irrelevant. The point is that these views are conservative, they are mostly supported by conservatives, and what is your problem if I characterize them as conservative views? Why should you take offence at that?

And you think these views could be liberal too? Sorry, but I don’t think too many liberals oppose minimum wage, or want to bring back the death penalty or want to privatize health care. These are very much conservative positions.

Now, we could argue whether these views are valid or not, there can be a difference of opinion. However, why should you be offended if I characterize them as conservative?

You just do not get it. Who cares what political persuasion supports raising minimum wage? We've been through all this before, raising minimum wage does NOT work, has never worked and NEVER will work. It's a stupid idea, when the minimum wage is raised prices rise. Not a difficult concept for anyone but a moron to understand.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I consider myself to be a fiscal common senserist. That means utilizing economic actions that get to the root cause of the problems at hand, such as spending money on stimulating the economy when it's depressed due to a worldwide recession.

Implementing tax increases when investment in income-generating activites is already down seems to be more than a bit counter-productive, not to mention the additional hardship that would be imposed on those still working. To be in favour of tax increases shows a complete lack of regard for your fellow Canadians, not that something like that would bother you. We're all know you're quite comfortable, so "why worry about it?", adn that of course puts you in good and consistent stead with your fellow Liberal elite extremists. Perfectly understandable.

You might think I'm somewhat conservative in my views, but it doesn't matter to me what you think.

That is the right attitude, counrtyboy. Why should you care what I think? I don’t understand why JLM gets offended when I call his views conservative views, or why some conservatives get offended when I refer to Palin as Joan of Arc. When they get offended by such comments, they give me too much importance.

Anyway, what you have described really epitomizes the problem with conservatism. You don’t want to increase taxes, then how do you propose to balance the budget? The fact is, you don’t. Conservatives don’t seem all that bothered about budget deficits and debt. After all, it is our children and grandchildren’s money, why should we worry about it? Let our kids and grandkids pay for it, not our problem.

The only way to balance the budget is spending cuts and tax increases, much as you may not like it. There is no magic bullet to balance the budget.

I think once the economy recovers, balancing the budget must be the top priority (indeed, this is where liberals and conservatives differ). The only way to do that is spending cuts and tax increases, as Chrétien/Martin and Clinton did.