Liberal phobia and the cause….

[SirJosephPorter]

It went from 16% to 12% to 6%. We now have the lowest corporate taxes AND the lowest resource royalties with some of the highest personal income tax out of ALL the G nations.

Why?

Are you sure about that 6%, are you sure it is not provincial tax? I looked at our corporate tax return, and the tax we paid in 2009 is roughly 1/6th of the income. I will check with my accountant. Unless we have different types of corporations.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

you'll find variable rates from 22% to 16.5% to 11% PRE total perks which average to 6%.

You may be right, I will talk to my accountant. Maybe we have different types of corporations. We paid 16% in 2009, and I don't see an accountant making such a gross blunder, use the tax rate of 16% instead of 6% (they have everything computerized anyway).

Anyway, I will talk to my accountant and get back to you.

 

[petros]

Unless we have different types of corporations.

Yup there are several rates dependig on size and type.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Well, that's leaving out the annual tax income...because, in your original post, you mentioned that you increased spending from $10,000 to $15,000, so there must have been $10,000 in income that you didn't mention. So you start out with $10000, have $10000 in income, give out $5000 in tax cuts, and spend $15000.

Net result of zero.

I didn't mention anything about the income, I was giving a hypothetical example. You brought up the income. If one is permitted to bring up any kind o fnumber willy nilly, then of course one can get any answer one wants.

You want to bring in 10,000 $ of income? OK, I bring in 10000 $ worth of extra expenses. The result, 10000 $ worth of deficit.

Work out the example I gave (without arbitrarily introducing any numbers of your own) and you will arrive at 10,000 $ deficit. I did not say anything about any income.

 

[petros]

You want to bring in 10,000 $ of income? OK, I bring in 10000 $ worth of extra expenses. The result, 10000 $ worth of deficit.

Income and budget are not one in the same.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"He increased spending every year he has been in office, gave tax cuts mostly to the rich and now he has a deficit in excess of 30 billion $."

So he's returning it to the people who financed the surplus in the first place- seems like a decent thing to do.

Quite so. Giving the rich big tax cuts and racking up huge deficit and huge debt is the decent thing to do. Typical conservative thinking. Borrow from you children and grandchildren and have a party, let them worry about the debt and the deficit.

It is indeed surprising that the philosophy of conservatism has got so perverted in the recent decades. At one time, conservatism meant living within one's means, not to borrow recklessly. I guess those days are gone forever.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I think you just personified the one of the root causes of Liberal phobia. The "pile" of money came from where in the first place?

This is a hypothetical example (to illustrate how conservative economics works) and it is irrelevant where the pile of money came from. But I will tell you where the pile of money comes from in a Conservative government. It is borrowed from China.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Then more power to you. Why should you (or anybody) pay more taxes than they have to?"

Make up your mind, first you are screaming for more taxes, now you say we should pay minimal taxes.

And what is the problem here? It may be necessary to raise taxes to balance the budget. At the same time, it is perfectly legitimate to try to minimize the taxes one pays, as long as it is done by legitimate means (RRSP contributions, income splitting, tax shelter etc.).

 

[petros]

A budget (from old French bougette, purse) is generally a list of all planned expenses and revenues. It is a plan for saving and spending.

Income is the consumption and savings opportunity gained by an entity within a specified time frame, which is generally expressed in monetary terms.[1] However, for households and individuals, "income is the sum of all the wages, salaries, profits, interests payments, rents and other forms of earnings received... in a given period of time."

In common usage, an expense or expenditure is an outflow of money to another person or group to pay for an item or service, or for a category of costs.

Saving is the conservation of money. Methods of saving include putting money aside in a bank or pension plan.[1] Saving also includes reducing expenditures, such as recurring costs. In terms of personal finance, saving specifies low-risk preservation of money, as in a deposit account, versus investment, wherein risk is higher.

A budget deficit occurs when an entity spends more money than it budgets for leaving them tapping into savings, assets or take on loans and go into debt.

Now do I need to explain the difference between gross domestic product which budgets are based on and the over all net Govt income from all sources foreign and domestic or do I just let you guys keep babbling about over spending what is budgeted for based on the GDP?

 

[TenPenny]

I didn't mention anything about the income, I was giving a hypothetical example.

You framed the example very badly, because you mention 'extra' tax credits, which therefore implies that you have tax revenue to start with.

Why don't you properly frame the question, then it will make sense.

Second year finance, you know.

I can mail you my textbook if you misplaced yours.

 

[DaSleeper]

I like the way liberals figure Harper giving tax breaks to the rich after they brag about how Martin lowered the tax on investment income (poor people don't have enough money to invest)
And Harper's pension income splitting for retired people is of course giving tax breaks to the rich...I feel sooooo bad that somebody's son the Doctor:roll: is gonna have to repay that 2500 dollars I am now saving every year and the extra 700 dollars my wife is getting back for the same reason:lol:
People jumping to conclusions look so funny...

 

[Bar Sinister]

I like the way liberals figure Harper giving tax breaks to the rich after they brag about how Martin lowered the tax on investment income (poor people don't have enough money to invest)
And Harper's pension income splitting for retired people is of course giving tax breaks to the rich...I feel sooooo bad that somebody's son the Doctor:roll: is gonna have to repay that 2500 dollars I am now saving every year and the extra 700 dollars my wife is getting back for the same reason:lol:
People jumping to conclusions look so funny...

Tommy Douglas got it right when he labeled the Grits and the Tories Tweedledee and Tweedledum. There really is not a significant difference between them when it comes to giving tax breaks to the wealthy.

 

[countryboy]

Perhaps it's time to get down to the fundamental root causes of Liberal phobia.

Not everyone is afflicted with this condition, but for those who are, the reason for it just might be due to some of the following points.

Here are 26 casual but highly objective observations of what makes an extremist Liberal politician tick. Presented with the intention of helping people understand one another better. :lol:

The degree of extremism is directly proportionate to the number of traits exhibited by any particular Liberal politician - the higher the number, the more extreme the behaviour.

1. A need to interfere in everyone else's business
2. An obsession with appearance vs. substance
3. Takes a shallow view of most things, thus avoiding the need to think deeply
4. Believes that more government = better government = a perfect world
5. Will spend weeks talking about protecting minorities while completely ignoring, if not stepping all over majorities
6. An underlying sense of corruption and skullduggery, although that is mainly due to the ruthless operating style of the Chretien regime
7. An apparent fixation on a “death wish” for the party when it comes to selecting leaders in the recent past
8. An inability to listen to any other people on any issue, likely due to...
9. A belief that they are perfect in every way
10. A need to embrace you while figuring out how to screw you (sort of like the worst example of the proverbial used car salesman)
11. A refusal to believe that any non-Liberal could have a valid opinion on anything
12. When confronted with an opposing opinion, a compulsion to yell louder
13. A need to heap scorn on anything that smells conservative, just for the sake of self-gratification
14. An unusual attachment to microphones and TV cameras
15. An incredible ability to fabricate “truth” from virtually nothing
16. A complete inability to follow through on serious commitments
17. A dangerous lust for power, at any cost
18. The organizational abilities of a single-cell life form
19. A many-decades-old inferiority complex based on the fact that the first prime minister of Canada was a Conservative
20. An aversion to ever admitting fault for any mistake
21. A skill for conjuring up the appearance of saving the country while doing absolutely nothing for it
22. A habit of pouncing on any issue, no matter how insignificant, and trying to make it look like a life and death proposition if there's even a remote chance to earn a vote or two from the effort
23. A sense of desperation that causes them to welcome anyone into the party as a front line candidate, no matter what their background or credentials
24. An absence of balance in setting priorities, such as focusing exclusively on social issues while starving the military almost to death (also, see No. 5)
25. A demonstrated talent for playing shell games, such as “Guess where the health care costs went?” or “Who made off with the Sponsorship money?”
26. A preference for short term thinking

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Politicians…

1: Liberal: A need to interfere in everyone else's business
Conservative: We are the minority rulers, “Do as I say not as I do” (hypocrites)

2: Liberal: An obsession with appearance vs. substance

Conservative: NO appearance NO Substance, Dull and John Baird
is an example talking about obsession on appearance over substance, the man is wearing a TUPAY lost front hair not natural to hide thy true self.

3: Liberal: Takes a shallow view of most things, thus avoiding the need to think deeply.

Conservative: make stupid jocks about other politicians on the opposition. Example in case, The image of a puffin 'pooping' on Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's shoulder was removed from a Conservative attack website

4: Liberal: Believes that more government = better government = a perfect world

Conservative: Believes Mulroney and Harper the senate should be stuffed like a thanks giving Turkey with senators from other occupations to help them pass stupid and unpopular legislation, big Government on the senate, to help their minority, have a voice in the house at the expense of taxpayers.

5: Liberal: Will spend weeks talking about protecting minorities while completely ignoring, if not stepping all over majorities

Conservative: will spend tax payer money on publishing Conservative propaganda to full the voters. They will apologise to the aborigines in Canada for past indignant acts against the natives, while during the recent flue pandemic they will offer first body bags to the aboriginals in remote towns across Canada , instead of medicine.

6: Liberals: An underlying sense of corruption and skullduggery, although that is mainly due to the ruthless operating style of the Chretien regime

Conservative: Mulroney excepted cash in brown bags and declared late his income to Revenue Canada by 2 years, and had the crap no hit the fan who knows, he may have never declared the secret cash.

7: Liberals: An apparent fixation on a “death wish” for the party when it comes to selecting leaders in the recent past.

Conservative: An apparent fixation on a “death wish” for the party to keep a leader like Harper who could not get past a minority in two consecutive terms.

8: Liberals: An inability to listen to any other people on any issue, likely due to...

Conservative: An inability to listen to the opposition and answer questions on damaging allegations about detainee torture in Afghanistan, and instead they shut Parliament and run away from responsibility like a bunch of pansies. Getting the voters pissed off. While todays polls confirm that.

9: Liberals: A need to embrace you while figuring out how to screw you (sort of like the worst example of the proverbial used car salesman)

Conservative: A need to embrace you in the 2004 election, by companying on a clean transparent Government while they make the voter pay for campaign advertising expenditures that were not allowed by Elections Canada. Or By telling you we
will not tax income trusts, and after they get your vote , the did tax income trusts.

10: Liberals: A refusal to believe that any non-Liberal could have a valid opinion on anything .

Conservative: the Opposition should not exist lets cut their funding so we can bring them to their knees so we can be superior to help our minority.

11: Liberals: When confronted with an opposing opinion, a compulsion to yell louder

Conservative: When confronted with an opposing opinion they stuff the senate like a thanks giving Turkey to get more mouths talking at once to silence opposing opinion, or lock unjustifiably parliament.

12: Liberals: A need to heap scorn on anything that smells conservative, just for the sake of self-gratification .

Conservative: A need to heap scorn on anything that smells Liberal or NDP by bringing examples that Liberals and NDP love indulging in drugs, much like the poster boy Jaffer telling his constituency the NDP leader Jack likes smoking pot while Jaffer likes snorting Cocaine. And get off on the possession charge.

13: Liberals: An unusual attachment to microphones and TV cameras

Conservatives: An unusual phobia about the media, doing the opposite from the 2004 campaigning on a transparent Government which never happened.

14: Liberals: An incredible ability to fabricate “truth” from virtually nothing

Conservative: Plagiarising John Howard’s speech on Iraq fabricating lies as the truth, brown nosing to Bush, to help their minority status.

15: Liberals: A complete inability to follow through on serious commitments

Conservative: A complete inability to follow through on serious commitments like the Economy, unemployment, UI BENEFITS.

16: Liberals: A dangerous lust for power, at any cost

Conservatives: A dangerous lust for power, at any cost, paying $130.000 to senators like Duffy who have nothing to contribute to the well being of Canadians not one useless senators but many. Big cost to the tax payer for no return other then propping up a minority Government who is hanging from a shoe string.

17: Liberals: The organizational abilities of a single-cell life form

Conservative: Bla bla bla

18: Liberals: A many-decades-old inferiority complex based on the fact that the first prime minister of Canada was a Conservative .

Conservative: Harper BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IS TELLING HIS TROOPS WE MUST GET A MAJORITY (even though we do not deserve one) FOLKS AND PUNISH THE OPPOSITION Totally against their Campaign in 2004

19: Liberals: An aversion to ever admitting fault for any mistake

Conservative: Blaming the economy on a global problem and taking credit on the health of the Canadian economy when in fact they have done nothing to enhance the economy. instead they subjected the Canadian tax payer ($100 Billion added to the federal debt.

20: Liberals: A skill for conjuring up the appearance of saving the country while doing absolutely nothing for it .

Conservative: Took a $12 billion surplus and turned it into $100 Billion addition to the federal debt.

21: Liberals: A habit of pouncing on any issue, no matter how insignificant, and trying to make it look like a life and death proposition if there's even a remote chance to earn a vote or two from the effort.

Conservative: Let us in in Ottawa so we can clean the mess, and made a worst mess.

22: Liberals: A sense of desperation that causes them to welcome anyone into the party as a front line candidate, no matter what their background or credentials .

Conservative: Stuffed the senate with senators who have nothing to offer as politicians, but instead they play the role of Conservative ass hats, in the tune of $130.000 a year, what a waist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

23: Liberals: An absence of balance in setting priorities, such as focusing exclusively on social issues while starving the military almost to death (also, see No. 5)

Conservative: Priority is their well being by shutting parliament and stopping the countries business because they do not have answers to damaging questions.

24: Liberals: A demonstrated talent for playing shell games, such as “Guess where the health care costs went?” or “Who made off with the Sponsorship money?”

Conservative: Mulroney years brown bags in cash…..Liberals paid their tax on time

25: Liberals: A preference for short term thinking .

Conservative: never did anything notable for the long term that people today care for to continuously use and appreciate. (YOUR RIGHT TO BE FREE IS QUESTIONABLE UNDER CONSERVATIVES WHEN YOU LOOK AT JAFFER’S recent EXAMPLE). DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO. (CHARTER OF RIGHTS)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[JLM]

Perhaps it's time to get down to the fundamental root causes of Liberal phobia.

Not everyone is afflicted with this condition, but for those who are, the reason for it just might be due to some of the following points.

Here are 26 casual but highly objective observations of what makes an extremist Liberal politician tick. Presented with the intention of helping people understand one another better. :lol:

The degree of extremism is directly proportionate to the number of traits exhibited by any particular Liberal politician - the higher the number, the more extreme the behaviour.

1. A need to interfere in everyone else's business check
2. An obsession with appearance vs. substance check
3. Takes a shallow view of most things, thus avoiding the need to think deeply check
4. Believes that more government = better government = a perfect world check
5. Will spend weeks talking about protecting minorities while completely ignoring, if not stepping all over majorities check
6. An underlying sense of corruption and skullduggery, although that is mainly due to the ruthless operating style of the Chretien regime check
7. An apparent fixation on a “death wish” for the party when it comes to selecting leaders in the recent past check
8. An inability to listen to any other people on any issue, likely due to... check
9. A belief that they are perfect in every way check
10. A need to embrace you while figuring out how to screw you (sort of like the worst example of the proverbial used car salesman) check
11. A refusal to believe that any non-Liberal could have a valid opinion on anything check
12. When confronted with an opposing opinion, a compulsion to yell louder check
13. A need to heap scorn on anything that smells conservative, just for the sake of self-gratification check
14. An unusual attachment to microphones and TV cameras
15. An incredible ability to fabricate “truth” from virtually nothing check
16. A complete inability to follow through on serious commitments
17. A dangerous lust for power, at any cost
18. The organizational abilities of a single-cell life form check
19. A many-decades-old inferiority complex based on the fact that the first prime minister of Canada was a Conservative
20. An aversion to ever admitting fault for any mistake check check check
21. A skill for conjuring up the appearance of saving the country while doing absolutely nothing for it check
22. A habit of pouncing on any issue, no matter how insignificant, and trying to make it look like a life and death proposition if there's even a remote chance to earn a vote or two from the effort check
23. A sense of desperation that causes them to welcome anyone into the party as a front line candidate, no matter what their background or credentials
24. An absence of balance in setting priorities, such as focusing exclusively on social issues while starving the military almost to death (also, see No. 5)
25. A demonstrated talent for playing shell games, such as “Guess where the health care costs went?” or “Who made off with the Sponsorship money?” check
26. A preference for short term thinking

I've looked over the preceding list of traits and indicated the ones that pertain to an incessant and habitual Liberal accolade that comments here periodically. I hadn't realized it was Tommy Douglas who coined the term Tweedledee and Tweedledumb, but it's very fitting. Personally I don't have a lot of use for any of the bastards - even the Green Party doesn't enthrall me (one track mind)

 

[GreenFish66]

Hey , I know let's make this next election simple .. Politicians like playing games ..Here's one ..

Let's figure out the net. Average weight of each political party .Determine which party is in the best shape to run the country ..

It's that easy

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Hey , I know let's make this next election simple .. Politicians like playing games ..Here's one ..

Let's figure out the net. Average weight of each political party .Determine which party is in the best shape to run the country ..

It's that easy

Good morning Green fish, cool, lets also get the devil who can count and has a good history doing so, unlike the Conservatives. :lol:

 

[CDNBear]

Conservatives took out a mortgage to build the CPR. Liberals took out a mortgage to bail out GTR and CNoR. Appropriate for the train wreck this thread has become.

And which one was operating in the black first? ;-)

Politicians…

That's pretty funny. Are you off your meds?

I have a list of almost 300 acts of unethical, suspect and oft criminal behavior, committed by Liberals, in office.

Can you provide a comparable list of similar malfeasance committed by the Conservatives?

 

[JLM]

Hey , I know let's make this next election simple .. Politicians like playing games ..Here's one ..

Let's figure out the net. Average weight of each political party .Determine which party is in the best shape to run the country ..

It's that easy

You'll have to set a few parameters, are you talking most fat wins? Or do you want to count lbs. of concrete in the head? Personally I'm more impressed with the lean and hungry look.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I've looked over the preceding list of traits and indicated the ones that pertain to an incessant and habitual Liberal accolade that comments here periodically. I hadn't realized it was Tommy Douglas who coined the term Tweedledee and Tweedledumb, but it's very fitting. Personally I don't have a lot of use for any of the bastards - even the Green Party doesn't enthrall me (one track mind)

Good morning JLM, you are on record here enjoying Harper's BS. AND HAY ACOLYTE? NOT THE RIGHT TERM.