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Very true. Same here.

I am NOT saying our system is better than yours (it clearly isn't), but it seems odd to me that the PM seems to hold ALL the power.
Define “the east” in the above statement. Where does “the east” start & stop (?) and is there a portion of Canada east of “the east” in your definition (?) & if so how is it differentiated from “the east” ???

(Personally, when I think Of Eastern Canada I’m meaning the Canadian Dong portion of Ontario & most of Quebec….& I’m not referring to most of Ontario, or NFLD or NB or NS or PEI….that’s why I ask)
My mom told me that when oil was first discovered in Leduc, Alberta the Province asked the Feds to help develop it. They were denied. So the Province went "south" for investments and expertise which is why most of the oil developed were by U.S. firms. As a result, the Alberta Treasury Branch was also created so that Albertans didn't have to rely on "eastern" banks for loans etc. With the above info, this all makes sense now.
 

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My mom told me that when oil was first discovered in Leduc, Alberta the Province asked the Feds to help develop it. They were denied. So the Province went "south" for investments and expertise which is why most of the oil developed were by U.S. firms. As a result, the Alberta Treasury Branch was also created so that Albertans didn't have to rely on "eastern" banks for loans etc. With the above info, this all makes sense now.
Alberta got a giant push when Tommy Douglas tried to force Shell and Imperial Oil in SK into Crown Assets.

Both immediately packed up drilling operations and left SK for AB.
 
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The_Foxer

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My mom told me that when oil was first discovered in Leduc, Alberta the Province asked the Feds to help develop it. They were denied. So the Province went "south" for investments and expertise which is why most of the oil developed were by U.S. firms. As a result, the Alberta Treasury Branch was also created so that Albertans didn't have to rely on "eastern" banks for loans etc. With the above info, this all makes sense now.
And as we see it's still a challenge today with the petroleum industry and fed gov'ts. The eastern voters for the most part prefer a 'no pipelines no oil' policy, so to make them happy the feds are pushing that to the detriment of alberta. The only reason they ever backed it at all was for revenues, they liked the money. But now that trudeau has said that balanced budgets don't matter and there's no problem borrowing 100 billion a year or whatever, that's not an issue anymore.

We even saw that with Dion's run - if you'll recall he was asked about carbon tax and restrictions on alberta oil and he said "Well we don't want to KILL the cash-cow.... " That's how they see alberta specifically and the west in general. And it's been a problem federally for ages - the majority of votes are in the east by far - so pander to the east and use the west to raise cash to pay for things the east wants. Thats why the reform party's mantra was "the west wants in". To which all of the parties federally said "no, we're good as is thanks".

As western populations grow the parties have to pay more and more attention to what's going on here. We have something close to about 25 percent of the population now, which isn't enough to win by itself but it IS enough to deny a majority to a party. And with the Bloc basically taking quebec out of the game for the libs and cpc that matters even more.

Right now bc and alberta are leading the western pack by far when it comes to population growth - hopefully at some point sask and man will kick it into gear as well and really start
Alberta got a giant push when Tommy Douglas tried to force Shell and Imperial Oil in SK into Crown Assets.

Both immediately packed up drilling operations and left SK for AB.
Yeah - trudeau the first bypassed that by just creating petro-can so he didn't have to take anything over :) Ahhhh the NEP, fun days.
 

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Define “the east” in the above statement. Where does “the east” start & stop (?) and is there a portion of Canada east of “the east” in your definition (?) & if so how is it differentiated from “the east” ???

(Personally, when I think Of Eastern Canada I’m meaning the Canadian Dong portion of Ontario & most of Quebec….& I’m not referring to most of Ontario, or NFLD or NB or NS or PEI….that’s why I ask)
From my perspective anything your side of Hope is East. Other side of the Rockies is Far East.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Also our Senate is appointed, not elected. Great way to stack the deck.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is planning a final wave of appointments to fill the 10 vacancies in the Senate before he retires in March, Radio-Canada has learned.

The move would allow him to leave a mark on Parliament for years to come, as these unelected legislators will be able to sit until the age of 75.

A source familiar with the matter says that the selection process for the future senators is already underway and should be completed before his departure. After proroguing Parliament earlier this month, Trudeau announced that he will leave power after the Liberal Party chooses a new leader on March 9.

In a written response, the Prime Minister's Office confirmed that the advisory board for Senate appointments is at work to propose candidates for all vacancies.
The Conservative Party of Pierre Poilievre, which is leading in national polls, has long been critical of Trudeau's choices of senators. The Conservatives now fear that Trudeau-appointed senators will try to block their agenda if the party wins the next election, which is expected in the spring.

There are currently 12 senators affiliated with the Conservative Party in the 105-seat chamber.
 

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is planning a final wave of appointments to fill the 10 vacancies in the Senate before he retires in March, Radio-Canada has learned.

The move would allow him to leave a mark on Parliament for years to come, as these unelected legislators will be able to sit until the age of 75.

A source familiar with the matter says that the selection process for the future senators is already underway and should be completed before his departure. After proroguing Parliament earlier this month, Trudeau announced that he will leave power after the Liberal Party chooses a new leader on March 9.

In a written response, the Prime Minister's Office confirmed that the advisory board for Senate appointments is at work to propose candidates for all vacancies.
The Conservative Party of Pierre Poilievre, which is leading in national polls, has long been critical of Trudeau's choices of senators. The Conservatives now fear that Trudeau-appointed senators will try to block their agenda if the party wins the next election, which is expected in the spring.

There are currently 12 senators affiliated with the Conservative Party in the 105-seat chamber.
That timeline sounds familiar. Cross you fingers for 4/20.
 

Ron in Regina

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Trudeau said partisanship meant senators were focused on what was good for their party and not the country. “Under Mr. Harper we have seen it at its worst — it amplifies the Prime Minister’s power.”

But…that was soooo pre-2015-ish.
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Bye bye Senate. Go get real jobs. We don't need you.

Have a nice day.
 
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Trudeau said partisanship meant senators were focused on what was good for their party and not the country. “Under Mr. Harper we have seen it at its worst — it amplifies the Prime Minister’s power.”

But…that was soooo pre-2015-ish.
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This man is so revolting!!
 

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I wonder if Carney wins and is PM, will his economic background piss Trump off or will Carney treat him with kid gloves.
First Carney needs a seat before being PM. He'll only be Liberal leader until elected. I doubt any Liberal MPs will give up their seat for a day.
 

Ron in Regina

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First Carney needs a seat before being PM. He'll only be Liberal leader until elected. I doubt any Liberal MPs will give up their seat for a day.
Wouldn’t he have to live in the riding that he’s going to run in? Or get the seat from? Lot’sa Libs bailing out soon…
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But will Carney live anywhere except Ottawa? That’ll narrow down who is going to surrender their seat to him if that’s the case…so that would be either:
1) Ottawa Center https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasir_Naqvi
2) Ottawa South
3) Ottawa -Vanier
4) Ottawa West -Nepean
When asked where he will run at his campaign launch last week in Edmonton, Carney said, “I will run as an MP somewhere, but I’m running for prime minister. I’m running for prime minister of all of Canada.” There, he’s narrowed it down to…the same PO box# the 14yr old Chinese students will use to vote for him in the next Liberal leadership race?
 
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Ron in Regina

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Wait a second….the Ninja MP that the Liberal Party wouldn’t allow to run in the leadership race for their party…
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Chandra Arya…I wonder what goody he’s gonna get for his seat? Could it just be a coincidence but….he’s got Anita Vandenbeld’s riding currently (?) or maybe a conveniently located adjacent political riding???
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Arya supports abolition of the monarchy, seeks to lead a "small, more efficient government", and opposes diversity, equity, and inclusion quotas. He proposes taxing expatriate citizens, would remove carbon pricing, and supports recognizing Palestineas a state. Arya would criminalize displays of support for terrorists and “extremism”, seeks to position Canada as an "energy superpower", and argues that Trudeau's immigration policies have caused Canada to rely on "cheap, foreign labour".
 

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First Carney needs a seat before being PM. He'll only be Liberal leader until elected. I doubt any Liberal MPs will give up their seat for a day.
First he needs to move back to Canada . Apparently he owns three houses none of which are in Canada .