Trudeau has got to go. You don't want Bernier and his ilk around, anyway. The last time a Conservative leader (Mulroney) made treaty with the rural Quebec populists,they stabbed him and Canada in the back. Learn to live without that whacko corner of conservatism.
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Exactly what "whacko corner of conservatism" do you mean?
And you're right about the Quebecers in Mulroney's gov't, but I would argue Mulroney was conservative in name only.
Which is why we on the right abandoned him for the Reform Party.
... you on the very, very, very right ...
and you are too far from the center to be elected nationally in this country. Reform was a Western rump and only gained power by attracting the numerous, moderate, centerist vote. There is no appetite for returning to the Stone Age in Canada as there is in the US. That's the body of the party that Scheer has to stifle (as Harper also learned he had to surpress) or permanemt opposition is your fate.
Canada is almost 90% urban. They don't vote Yahoo. Not ever.
I KNOW that I'm going to be crucified for saying this but there really isn't a "right wing" party in Canada that people keep saying there is. I consider myself a Conservative but I don't consider myself "right wing" at all. My beliefs are pretty much centrist, some a "little" left others a "little" right and, I believe, MOST Canadians are the same way. Neither the Liberals or Conservatives were ever "extreme" - not even close.
Now, however, my opinion is that the Conservatives are still where they have always been, center-center right but the Liberals are severely left and have abandoned what they used to represent - the average Canadian taxpayer. They're a more elitist party now and while they talk about supporting the "middle class" they've done more damage to said "middle class" than at any time in recent history. More and more people are losing their well-paying jobs and those who have jobs are being taxed more than ever before and the plan is to continue raising taxes in the future. How dumb is that?
Who is going to vote for increased taxation?
JMHO
Now, however, my opinion is that the Conservatives are still where they have always been, center-center right but the Liberals are severely left and have abandoned what they used to represent - the average Canadian taxpayer. They're a more elitist party now and while they talk about supporting the "middle class" they've done more damage to said "middle class" than at any time in recent history. More and more people are losing their well-paying jobs and those who have jobs are being taxed more than ever before and the plan is to continue raising taxes in the future. How dumb is that?
Who is going to vote for increased taxation?
JMHO
I'm on your side, Dixie.
There is a faction in Canada that carries Tea Party Libertarian attitudes and are apparently wannabe Republicans but they represent no more than 15%+- of the population. They can affect local elections but they don't appeal to the broad populace. The Liberals take advantage of them every electoral chance that they get as they keep being associated with the Conservative Party that is mostly not like that.
This part at least is more or less true..........I'm not in the mainstream of Canadian society.
So.....the question is exactly what is it about liberty that scares you so?
I'll ignore the "Stone Age" jibe, as it is so vacuous as to defy rational reply.
Scheer has to make the party a "Big Tent" entity, and that includes the "right" (although I am not "far right" as you suggest), and yes, he needs to avoid things that will cripple the party.
Democracy, especially in a FPTP system, requires compromise on the part of all voters. Pick the party closest to your view with the most chance of getting elected.
That's the Conservative Party for me.
If I wanted to define every issue in the country, I'd have to become President for Life.
What on earth does any of that have to do with liberty?
How are the conservatives any more about liberty than the NDP or the Liberals.
That conservatives problem is that they are not a big tent and have never been a big tent.
Look at the french/english divide.
Lots of conservatives in both camps but they hate each other too much to ever unite.
Ford in Ontario is a perfect example.
How are the conservatives any more about liberty than the NDP or the Liberals.
That conservatives problem is that they are not a big tent and have never been a big tent.
Look at the french/english divide.
Lots of conservatives in both camps but they hate each other too much to ever unite.
Ford in Ontario is a perfect example.
Hey, maybe you znd the other heavily armed 12% who know what's right and good should show us what you're made of and take Canada over with an armed insurrection. Give yourselves a purpose. You cleary know what is best for the rest of us weaklings.
Well, the knuckle walkers are mostly gone, now except for that residual 12%.
I trust evolution.
Yes- and sometimes it is just easier for LIE-beral supporters to get behind NDP instead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As ETFO- our ONTARI-OWE elementary school teachers- did back in June when Wynne-bag LIE-berals FAILED to supply the new gobs of gravy the HOGS were demanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-BERAL supporters are only in it for the gravy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So they have NO LOYALTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And they support whomever gives them the biggest gobs of gravy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which is why NDPer Horwath is opposition leader instead of also ran nobody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy should take heed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really?
First of all, LIBERTARIAN..............the faction we were discussing, takes the very name from liberty.
Secondly..........here is some reality, as I am wont to bless you with:
2011 election. Conservatives - 39.62% Liberals - 18.91%
2015 election. Conservatives - 31.89% Liberals - 39.47%
Last election when any party has taken more than 50%; 1984 Progressive Conservative win: 50.03%
The only other election since the end of World War Two in which a party took more than 50%; 1958 Progressive Conservative win: 53.67%
Not even Trudeau the Elder managed 50%.
But somehow, despite recent elections with the Conservative Party, and older elections with the PCs getting more of the votes than the Liberals ever did, you think the Conservative Party is not a "big tent" party, but the Liberal Party does meet that standard.
You really do have a strange notion of reality.
There is no popular vote in Canada all that counts are seats in parliament.
Trudeau the elder led 2 majority governments (meaning the liberals held more than 50% of the seats) in 68 and 80.
The only time conservative governments manage majorities are when people are pissed with the Liberals.
Trudeau the elder led 2 majority governments (meaning the liberals held more than 50% of the seats) in 68 and 80.
The only time conservative governments manage majorities are when people are pissed with the Liberals.
And he realy screwed the country in many ways..................
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Face palm.
A "big tent" party, by definition, is one that attracts a very significant portion of the population, which means it attracts people with a significant variance in their political philosophy.
It has nothing to do with election results, except that those results inevitably reflect the success and scope of the "big tent".
That's why only two parties rule in Canada......the two really "big tent" parties.....the Conservatives and the Liberals.
Tell that to Mulroney.
BTW, is the fact the Liberals hold a mere handful of seats in the west make the Liberal Party NOT a "big tent" party?
OMG.
In 2011, the Conservatives took a higher percentage than the Liberals......double their vote, in fact.
In 2015, the Liberals took less than the Conservatives did in 2011.......but, according to you, that makes the Liberals a "big tent" party, and the Conservatives not.
Now, I do understand that you are a troll, that you only put statements out there to arouse a reaction, no matter if they are nonsense or not.
I suppose after the Conservative Party wins in 2019, they still won't be a "big tent" party, according to the (ever changing) gospel of Hoid.
Seriously, please, just quit spouting nonsense.
POOR STUPID HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals hold power because of BRIBERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals have REPEATEDLY PROVED that you CAN BUY a Cdn govt if you throw out enough money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The BIG PROBLEM LIE-berals currently face is what to do after the Bribe money runs out and they are forced to run on policies based on common sense and LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is a fine example of the grotesque conflict of interest that civil service union Hogs and their LIE-beral allies are engaged in! UNIONS AND LIE-berals and their Hog allies are actually engaged in subverting democracy! With some comments of my own in brackets):
Unions pool resources to fight Ford
By Michelle McQuigge.
Published December 21, 2018
TORONTO - The Ontario government is about to start facing co-ordinated opposition from two of the country's largest unions bent on stopping what they describe as Premier Doug Ford's "destructive agenda."
The heads of both Unifor and the Ontario Public Service Employees Union announced their alliance in the wake of Ford's reaction to General Motors' planned plant closure in Oshawa, Ont., saying the premier's comments indicate his priorities do not lie with everyday workers.
Ford said last week that there's nothing his government can do to convince the automaker to change course, adding the company's president had told him, "the ship has already left the dock."
(The federal govt has just written of a couple of billion dollars in “loans” that Our idiot BOY and his LIE-berals have decided can never be collected -which had been offered to GM back in 2008!)
(And of course the wretched greedy unions quite IGNORE the reality that every penny offered over the years to GM had to be ripped out of the pockets of other Cdns- who were making products that people actually WANTED to buy!!!!!!!!!!!)
And to put the CAPPER ON THIS CRAPPER DEAL - LIE-berals are SHAMELESSLY BUYING the votes of the Hogs! It is bribery plain and simple and would not be permitted if the Conservatives were so engaged! But as long as LIE-berals benefit then its no harm and no foul!)
(And if you dont think the LIE-beral deal is fair then you can go whine to a HOG from elections Canada! And the same pro LIE-beral rule bending allows Hogs to IGNORE the election spending rules that Conservatives are bound by!))
The union leaders contend that Ford and his Progressive Conservative government are more focused on corporate interests than the concerns of frontline workers and vow the two unions, with a combined membership of about 470,000 people, will be fighting back.
(Fighting back!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And what were they doing in the June provincial election? VOTING FORD?????)
(WE KNOW the truth- that the Hog unions have now switched their support to NDP in hopes of getting them to supply the gravy that LIE-berals cannot!)
OPSEU President Warren "Smokey" Thomas said a weakened private sector will limit any government's ability to collect taxes and fund public services, adding pushing back against Ford would benefit all Ontario residents.
(Too bad the union HYPOCRITES do not recognize that it is LIE-beral taxes- needed to support the Hog gravy train that are weakening our economy! Hogs have been so entitled for so long they THINK THEY ARE the economy!)
"We understand that public services are the great equalizer in society," Thomas said in a telephone interview. "It's in both our best interests, for our members and for society, to work together and co-ordinate our efforts and see if we can't back Mr. Ford up in some of his policies and encourage him to reinvest in public services."
(I recognize the value of private sector unions as I have been a member - big corporations require corresponding unions for balance- but private sector unions have self correcting mechanisms built in- meaning that companies can fire workers or even close up shop and go set up elsewhere if union demands get to high!)
(The idea that civil service unions - with their monopoly strangle hold on various essential services- that they use relentlessly with LIE-berals to extort HUGE wage and pension payments from us like some sort of legalized public Mafia - is doing some good to “equalize” society is utterly delusional!)
(Hogs merely ensure the private sector is LOOTED AND PILLAGED for the benefit of a GREEDY AND GROSSLY PRIVILEGED FEW! No Hog can honestly explain why the Hog stamping your $100 water bill as “paid” should be earning way more than the cashier at your grocery store totaling up your $150 grocery bill!!!!!!!!!))
Thomas said the alliance, announced at Unifor's Ontario Regional Council meeting held over the weekend, was prompted largely by Ford's reaction to news that GM planned to shutter its Oshawa plant next year, taking at least 2,500 jobs with it.
Ford has said union leaders and politicians who talk about saving the Oshawa plant are selling "false hope," adding that his government would help the affected workers find new jobs.
(The greedy Hogs do not want ot talk about how much money would have to be ripped from the pockets of other Cdns to “save” GM! Even senior GM officers know that any new Hog deal to save GM will NOT pass public scrutiny as it would be TOO COSTLY!)
(There is an over supply of cars around the world and the least popular models MUST CEASE production in Canada- unless Cdns want to end up being FORCED - by LIE-beral meddling in auto markets - to start driving the LIE-beral Cdn equivalent of a costly, ugly and unreliable East German Trabant!!!!!!!!)
Both Thomas and Unifor National President Jerry Dias said Ford's reaction wasn't good enough. Thomas also criticized the premier for giving $34.5 million to Maple Leaf Foods for the construction of a consolidated plant in London, Ont., despite the fact the company will be shedding 300 net jobs by closing three other facilities in the province.
(As mentioned- GM just had TWO BILLION DOLLARS IN “LOANS” wiped out- and it still isnt enough to persuade them to STAY! By comparison- giving $34.5 million to a company that is COMMITTED to Ontari-owe is small beans! With the added political bonus that the deal was ORGANIZED under Wynne-bag LIE-berals and was far enough along when Ford was elected that Ford did not feel right about canceling at the last second- and putting Cdns out of work!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )
In a statement announcing their collaboration, Dias said Ford has given the two unions even more reasons to push back against his agenda.
(And HOW MUCH would it take to get GM to stay in Oshawa? Two billion was NOT enough! So- Five billion? Ten billion? Fifteen billion? GM is leaving in spite of Oshawa GM workers being consistent winners of quality control studies! If GM can walk away from its BEST WORKERS- then the situation is Un-salvageable and Ford is wise not to give away the store!)
"Between cowering to corporate interests, a dangerous public sector hiring freeze, and punishing the provinces' most vulnerable workers, Doug Ford has clearly shown his playbook," Dias said in the statement. "It's one attack after another against working people and our families."
(Ontari-owe has a $16 billion dollar deficit- and it will BE HIGHER NEXT YEAR thanks to the 4 year contracts LIE-berals signed with Hogs just before the election defeat! Our provincial budget MUST GROW by 2 percent every year for 4 years to cover the LIE-beral pay raises offered to Hogs!)
(By ignoring the size of the deficits and the GROSS conflict of interest Hogs are engaged in with LIE-berals and by demanding that GM- with its unpopular products- be saved for a privileged few- at the expense of many; the Hogs are spitting in the faces of ordinary Cdns who will have to pay for this Hog feather bedding and patronage and shameless LIE-beral vote buying!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The premier's office did not immediately respond to request for comment.
(No- I am sure the premiers office was to busy considering the abysmal arrogance of the Hogs in demanding even more gravy, to come up with a polite comment!)
Thomas said the two union leaders had joined forces before, swelling picket lines and mobilizing protests during health-care sector strikes in the Ontario communities of Owen Sound and Thunder Bay.
(Hog really should pull back and consider just how poisoned their version of democracy really is! Frankly there is a growing ground swell of public opinion that maybe Hogs ought NOT to be allowed to vote directly for their political bosses- due to that previously mentioned gross conflict of interest!
This time around, he said it made sense for the two groups to "co-ordinate efforts" by lobbying legislators and speaking up against government moves that the unions feel could jeopardize workers.
Thomas said the unions will also push to reinstate some labour-related measures introduced by the former Liberal regime that have been reversed by the Ford government, including a $15 minimum wage that was planned for next year and more lenient sick day policies.
(In other words Hogs are throwing out CRUMBS to the general public in hope of making union PILLAGING of our tax revenue more palatable! The minimum wage pay raise offered in 2018 by Wynne-bag LIE-berals did NOTHING for ordinary people since ALL of it- and more- was TAXED BACK by greedy LIE-berals who excel at the art of bait and switch- with Hog aid!!!!!!!!)
Thomas said the unions will try to see those measures put back in place through individual bargaining efforts.
(Hogs will be having a VERY HARD TIME navigating our political mine field in 2019- since Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals had promised in 2015 to “save the middle class” and of course that middle class is now paying several thousand dollars in new fees and taxes! LIE-berals excel at grandly making a show of putting pennies into one pocket while RIPPING DOLLARS out of the other pocket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Robbing Peter to pay Paul is only enjoyable if you are a LIE-beral loving Hog!)