Colpy is dreaming again since Egypt banned female circumcision in 2007.
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''Islam sucks.''
bigot!
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''Islam sucks.''
bigot!
Krauthammer Tells Inconvenient Truth About Egypt
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Oh! In 2007! They banned it!
Oh my, I am so impressed. And I imagine the practice simply evaporated, immediately.
More likely that is one of the reasons for the revolt.
Yes, I am bigoted against pedophile death cults that enslave women.
gee whiz! Horrible me!
The favorite response of a progressive liberal to shut down the other side:roll:
Overused....It don't work anymore....don't you know:lol:
You have a problem with truth???
Perhaps you missed this little link: take special notice of the rate in Egypt, which is the subject of the debate.
Or perhaps you don't understand what FGM entails:
Female Genital Mutilation
Yes I am bigoted against this cult.
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I know what it is, and I'm against it. I'm also aware its origins are cultural not religious and that the majority of Muslim women have not experienced FGM.
Female genital cutting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The practice appears to have originated in ancient Egypt during the time of the Pharaohs and spread though sub-Saharan countries and the middle east and is practiced by many religions besides Islam, including Christians. I'm not surprised that this practice would be common in the place where it originated thousands of years before Islam was founded.
You are a bigot because you focus on something particular nasty, and try to associate it with all Muslims when in fact, it has little to nothing to do with Islam and far more to do with culture and ignorance.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but all Muslims have hearts, they feel emotions like love and sorrow, their blood is the same color of red as yours and they don't have horns growing out of their heads.
Female genital cutting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
UNICEF Egypt - Media centre - Fresh progress toward the elimination of female genital mutilation and cutting in Egypt
The practice appears to have originated in ancient Egypt during the time of the Pharaohs and spread though sub-Saharan countries and the middle east and is practiced by many religions besides Islam, including Christians. I'm not surprised that this practice would be common in the place where it originated thousands of years before Islam was founded.
You are a bigot because you focus on something particular nasty, and try to associate it with all Muslims when in fact, it has little to nothing to do with Islam and far more to do with culture and ignorance.
I'm not sure if you are aware, but all Muslims have hearts, they feel emotions like love and sorrow, their blood is the same color of red as yours and they don't have horns growing out of their heads.
The ability of the left to wear blinders simply amazes me.
Has nothing to do with Islam??? Ha!!!! It may (rarely) occur outside Islam, but Islam has adopted the practice whole-heartedly.
NINETY SIX percent of Muslim women in Egypt have undergone FGM. It obviously matters little what a puppet institution of the government says.......only what the local imam says.......
But okay, so we will ignore FGM.
How about honour killing, forced marriage, child brides, the religious fervor associated with terror and suicide, fatwas for the murder of publishers, writers, cartoonists, and Parliamentarians? Riots and murder worldwide over cartoons, or the desecration, threatened or imagined, of a book? Mass murder between sects of the cult? Theocratic murder states that execute homosexuals, "adulterers" that have the misfortune of being raped, dissidents, and whip women for the offense of showing their wrist or their hair? A cult that demands women be subservient, allows for their murder for "dishonouring" the family, and allows for their abandonment at a whim??? That keeps them in portable tents, and makes them slaves to whatever male happens along?
And you pompously assert your dedication to "human rights".....but continually defend the worst human rights abusers on earth, while attacking democratic free societies.
HA!
Damn right I'm a bigot.
I hate those that hate liberty.
And I'm proud of it.
A more neutral, less judgmental term would be female genital cutting (FGC). You'd be a hypocrite if you didn't also describe circumcision as "male genital mutilation". FGC varies considerable between groups which practice it. While some versions of FGC cause physical harm and/or loss of function, less extreme versions of it are apparently about the same level of "mutilation" as circumcision.
I'm against all forms of mutilation including tattoos, circumcision and FGC. I wouldn't pre-judge anyone sporting a tattoo or any other form of self mutilation. Self mutilation isn't a choice I'd make. The problem I have with mutilation is when its not a personal choice regarding yourself, but an imposed permanent decision. I have the same problem when people, tattoo, circumcise or FGC their children. Deliberate permanent self mutilation should be an adult decision. Mutilating a child is child abuse.
FGC, is common among Ethiopian Christians, which is one of the oldest Christian cultures.
These practices cross religious boundaries, including Christians, Muslims and Ethiopian Jews (Falashas).
UNHCR | Refworld | Ethiopia: Report on Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) or Female Genital Cutting (FGC)
Egyptian Coptic Christians have been doing this for 19 centuries. Most Muslim Egyptians descend from Coptic converts to Islam and inherited this practice.
Local religious interpretations are certainly a factor. Other factors include culture/tradition within families/communities.
The rest of your post is based on more of the same demonizing anti-Muslim propaganda.
1.5 Billion Muslims come in an almost infinite number of shapes, sizes, colors, attitudes and cultures. Portraying them as as belonging to a child abusing, death cult is a sign that you really have no clue. Maybe you should get out of sparkle city and see the world.
I'm against all forms of mutilation including tattoos, circumcision and FGC. I wouldn't pre-judge anyone sporting a tattoo or any other form of self mutilation. Self mutilation isn't a choice I'd make. The problem I have with mutilation is when its not a personal choice regarding yourself, but an imposed permanent decision. I have the same problem when people, tattoo, circumcise or FGC their children. Deliberate permanent self mutilation should be an adult decision. Mutilating a child is child abuse.
FGC, is common among Ethiopian Christians, which is one of the oldest Christian cultures.
UNICEF - Ethiopia - Battling an ancient tradition: Female genital mutilation in Ethiopia
These practices cross religious boundaries, including Christians, Muslims and Ethiopian Jews (Falashas).
UNHCR | Refworld | Ethiopia: Report on Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) or Female Genital Cutting (FGC)
Egyptian Coptic Christians have been doing this for 19 centuries. Most Muslim Egyptians descend from Coptic converts to Islam and inherited this practice.
Local religious interpretations are certainly a factor. Other factors include culture/tradition within families/communities.
The rest of your post is based on more of the same demonizing anti-Muslim propaganda.
1.5 Billion Muslims come in an almost infinite number of shapes, sizes, colors, attitudes and cultures. Portraying them as as belonging to a child abusing, death cult is a sign that you really have no clue. Maybe you should get out of sparkle city and see the world.
Ah......circumcision is slightly different.......in the west, usually done for reasons of improved health. I know a guy that had to undergo circumcision as an adult, because of attachments and infections. I never heard of anyone that had to have their clitoris cut off, and their vagina sewn almost shut, or their lips cut down so the vagina would literally heal over, for health reasons....very much the opposite. AND circumcision does not destroy sexual pleasure....control being the entire purpose of female genital mutilation....and the fact of lessened sexual pleasure and pain during sex forever is what makes it mutilation, not "cutting". BTW, FGM is done to CHILDREN....no, they do NOT have a choice in the matter... (insert extremely rolled eyes here)
As I said originally, yes, some others do FGM..........but Islam has adopted the practice whole-heartedly.
Islam means submission, there is only ONE interpretation of Islam possible...."moderate" Islamics are simply not Islamic at all, and are often pulled over to radical Islam.....read Ayaan Hirsi Ali, fer God's sake, pull your head out of the sand.
Islam, as submission, is simply not compatible with democracy.
It is a cult of hatred.
And what part of my "anti-Muslim propaganda" is not true?
One sixth of the world's population.......creating the majority of the world's misery................
I was under the impression they who covet the world's wealth were a smaller percentage....
I know women who have had their breasts cut off for health reasons, if that helps you any.
Do male children have a choice in their mutilation?
ah, but, ah but...Whacking off a chunk down there on a baby is the same thing.
I agree that the extreme forms of FGC makes about as much sense as a unnecessary penectomy and castration. But the most moderate version of FGC is no different than unnecessary circumcision. I'm against all genital cutting unless its done by a sane adult to themselves.
You main point is that Islam is evil. I disagree. How people interpret a religion makes them good or evil. There are both good and bad Muslims just like there are good and bad Christians. Your arguments make about as much sense as claiming the internet is evil. I can point to many examples where the internet has been used to do evil. Would that prove the internet is evil?
Speaking of hate cults, Colpy, which one do you belong to?
Yeah, that sucks too........and no, but as I said, comparing medical male circumcision to Female Genital Mutilation is comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but nowhere close to the same thing.
Do boys experience lifelong lessening of sexual pleasure from circumcision?
Do boys experience pain throughout their life from circumcision?
Do boys often suffer infection, disease and death from circumcision? .
Is male circumcision practiced as an tool of control over their sexual being?
In which sex is the "cutting" more extensive?
As I said, hardly the same thing.........
Yes a badly performed circumcision can lead to serious consequences:
Complications of circumcision
This directory contains articles about the complications, risks, adverse effects, and disadvantages of circumcision and their treatments (not including repair of the circumcision itself; see Foreskin reconstruction). See also Psychological Impacts of Circumcision.
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[A] Urethral fistula at frenulum (note probe), probably the result of incisional trauma. Three-year-old boy with an almost transected glans from circumcision at birth, but parents did not note the abnormality until age 3. Urethra had been completely transected (arrow). [C] Neonate referred immediately after Gomco clamp circumcision in which all the skin of the shaft had been amputated. This is a fairly common complication caused by pulling too much skin up into the clamp and amputating it. Fortunately sometimes there is enough of the mucosal side of the prepuce to fold back to resurface the shaft, but some require a free skin graft. [D] Six-month-old baby was referred after loss of the entire penis from cautery used during circumcision. Evidently both corpora had thrombosed and sloughed, so no phallus remained.[/SIZE]
...The National Organization to Halt the Abuse and Routine Mutilation of Males (NOHARMM) has compiled statistical data on the estimated total number of complications and has made it available on the World Wide Web.
Williams and Kapila estimate that a realistic rate of complications from neonatal circumcision ranges from 2% to 10%. To many men who become aware of the function and value of the prepuce, the fact that this genital sensory organ was amputated from them at birth is itself a complication of circumcision; in which case, the actual complication rate is 100%... For males fortunate enough to survive the surgery without immediate complications, there is a growing awareness among men of other delayed, long-term consequences of neonatal circumcision, which are only now beginning to be documented.
Complications, risks, adverse effects of circumcision
Complications of circumcision
This directory contains articles about the complications, risks, adverse effects, and disadvantages of circumcision and their treatments (not including repair of the circumcision itself; see Foreskin reconstruction). See also Psychological Impacts of Circumcision.
[A] Urethral fistula at frenulum (note probe), probably the result of incisional trauma. Three-year-old boy with an almost transected glans from circumcision at birth, but parents did not note the abnormality until age 3. Urethra had been completely transected (arrow). [C] Neonate referred immediately after Gomco clamp circumcision in which all the skin of the shaft had been amputated. This is a fairly common complication caused by pulling too much skin up into the clamp and amputating it. Fortunately sometimes there is enough of the mucosal side of the prepuce to fold back to resurface the shaft, but some require a free skin graft. [D] Six-month-old baby was referred after loss of the entire penis from cautery used during circumcision. Evidently both corpora had thrombosed and sloughed, so no phallus remained.[/SIZE]
...The National Organization to Halt the Abuse and Routine Mutilation of Males (NOHARMM) has compiled statistical data on the estimated total number of complications and has made it available on the World Wide Web.
Williams and Kapila estimate that a realistic rate of complications from neonatal circumcision ranges from 2% to 10%. To many men who become aware of the function and value of the prepuce, the fact that this genital sensory organ was amputated from them at birth is itself a complication of circumcision; in which case, the actual complication rate is 100%... For males fortunate enough to survive the surgery without immediate complications, there is a growing awareness among men of other delayed, long-term consequences of neonatal circumcision, which are only now beginning to be documented.
Complications, risks, adverse effects of circumcision
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As I pointed out in my post below, no it is not the same thing.
No different than unnecessary circumcision?? You continue to amaze me with your ability to ignore truth that might conflict on your fairy-tale world view. Please readmy post below.
I think Islam is evil.
I do not think all Muslims are evil, just deluded.
I belong to no cult.
And my male child was not circumcised. I see no need for it.
Also with any surgery there is always risk of infection leading to death.
Could you tell the boy who lost his penis in picture d above that circumcision is harmless and even beneficial? I couldn't. If I was the kid, I'd be angry at those responsible (parents).
It sure sounds like you belong to some sort of hate cult, since you hate Muslims so much.
Could you tell the boy who lost his penis in picture d above that circumcision is harmless and even beneficial? I couldn't. If I was the kid, I'd be angry at those responsible (parents).
It sure sounds like you belong to some sort of hate cult, since you hate Muslims so much.