Kinder Morgan announces suspension of Trans Mountain expansion

JLM

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No the NDP campaign focused on affordable housing . The Green Party focused their campaign on pipelines and environmental issues.

And that pretty well sums up the entire problems............a party with 3 out of about 90 seats controlling the province. A classic case of "the tail wagging the dog".
 

Decapoda

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There is no agreement to be had.

Never has been never will be.

Take your pipeline east, young man.

oh and time to get to work to deconstruct the pipeline that is already , wrongly, in place.

Time for you to stop driving or taking transportation and turn off your furnace, hypocrite. Your incredible shortsightedness is dumbfounding, and would be pathetic and pitiful if it only affected you. But it doesn't.
 

Hoid

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Yes my computer is made out of plastic therefore i must support the trans mountain expansion.

It all makes perfect sense.
 

Hoid

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If people think that Justin Trudeau is going to do in a couple of years what Steven Harper could not do in ten years they are sadly mistaken.

BC has done nothing yet in terms of blocking this thing.

Wait until they go forward with legislation to give First Nations equal rights and presence on spill remediation .

That is the dagger that is going to kill this beast once and for all.
 

petros

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If First Nations were smart they'd form a spill response corporation and get paid to do nothing.

BTW....halting construction is a necessity during spring thaw.
 

Mowich

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.... there is no way to clean this shit up. If it spills in our ocean it will sink to the bottom and it will stay there until someone scraps it up.

Keep tilting at those windmills, Hoid. Speaking of shit, I'd stay away from BC oysters.

"The exact source of contamination has not yet been pinpointed but experts said there’s a good chance sewage was the culprit.

“The vehicle is usually contaminated water …. discharge of household waste, municipal waste, untreated into a water source,” said food safety expert Rick Holley, distinguished professor emeritus in food science at the University of Manitoba."

https://globalnews.ca/news/3262612/bc-oysters-norovirus-outbreak/

BC Greenies don't seem to give a damn about all the crap they are dumping into the ocean every single minute of the day........but pipelines? OMG..........those have to be stopped.
 

Hoid

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Keep tilting at those windmills, Hoid. Speaking of shit, I'd stay away from BC oysters.

"The exact source of contamination has not yet been pinpointed but experts said there’s a good chance sewage was the culprit.

“The vehicle is usually contaminated water …. discharge of household waste, municipal waste, untreated into a water source,” said food safety expert Rick Holley, distinguished professor emeritus in food science at the University of Manitoba."

https://globalnews.ca/news/3262612/bc-oysters-norovirus-outbreak/

BC Greenies don't seem to give a damn about all the crap they are dumping into the ocean every single minute of the day........but pipelines? OMG..........those have to be stopped.
Are you honestly trying to say that greenies are somehow responsible for sewage contamination of the oceans?

Are you that stupid?
 

Mowich

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Are you honestly trying to say that greenies are somehow responsible for sewage contamination of the oceans?

Are you that stupid?

Ah, Hoid.............I am so sorry for you. It appears that among the myriad of problems you face, reading comprehension skills are foremost. Pity that.
 

Hoid

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Do you know how many protests there are n BC about sewage?

Do you understand that its the greenies who hold and attend these?

Do you comprehend that Victoria is building a sewage treatment facility (finally!) specifically because of ongoing protests and pressure from these people you would call "greenies"

You are a useless little twit who does not really contribute much of anything here and frankly I do not know how how you have avoided the ignore list up to this point.

Get some sort of logical argument.


The greenies in BC care about BC. They care about sewage treatment and they care about pipelines and they care about all sorts of things.

It's the idiots like you who don't care about anything except money.

 

Cliffy

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The Siege of B.C.

Ottawa has eight weeks to break the backs of oil tanker opponents. Here’s how they’ll try.

Texas pipeline company Kinder Morgan issued an ultimatum yesterday: give our shareholders confidence that we can build the Trans Mountain oil tanker project, or we’re walking.
Politicians in Ottawa and Alberta leapt into action, only too eager to give the former Enron executives exactly what they want. A veritable siege is now underway that will only grow in ferocity as Kinder Morgan approaches its May 31 decision on whether to pull the plug.
Here are five ways pro-pipeline forces hope to keep the project alive:

1. Convince the B.C. government to flip flop. This will involve threats and inducements, both public and behind the scenes. Ottawa could withhold funding for affordable housing, public transit, oil spill cleanup and more – unless Premier John Horgan buckles.
2. Turn the B.C. public against Horgan. Just as Western countries impose sanctions on rogue states like North Korea, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley has announced her intention to make ordinary British Columbians feel economic pain, so they turn against their leader. She already boycotted B.C. wine– she could launch a similar campaign against tourism or other industries. She could stop trains and trucks coming across the Rockies for “inspection.” Or she could try to cut off the supply of refined fuel to the Lower Mainland, which is already struggling with high gas prices. The petroleum producers hate the idea and it’s probably illegal, but it might be good to line up a carpool either way.
3. Turn Green MLAs against Horgan. This could include trying to drive a wedge on Site C, LNG, Proportional Representation – any issue where the feds see a bit of daylight between Green leader Andrew Weaver and the NDP Premier. The more Weaver talks about bringing down the government over the next eight weeks, the weaker Horgan’s position.
4. Pump cash into Kinder Morgan. Notley already announced “Alberta is prepared to be an investor in the pipeline.” Jason Kenney’s Conservatives are loudly in support. That’s right, Alberta’s anti-tax crusaders want a big taxpayer bailout for a foreign company. Through loan guarantees, government investment or other subsidies, Ottawa and Alberta can try to keep the project afloat with your tax dollars – beyond the point at which the market would otherwise kill it.
5. Minimize, ignore and deny Indigenous rights. So far Kinder Morgan’s focus is entirely on the B.C. government. They’re not talking about the Squamish, the Tsleil-Waututh, Coldwater or other First Nations currently challenging the project in court. And they’re certainly not talking about communities all along the project route who vow to stop construction on their territories. Expect Ottawa to continue this charade, ignoring the clear contradiction between violating Indigenous consent and its lofty promises of “reconciliation.”
That’s the playbook. Kinder Morgan’s plea has kicked off the Stanley Cup Playoffs of pipeline politics — an eight-week campaign culminating in a sudden death shootout in a Houston boardroom. Expect flying elbows, cheap shots and lots of end-to-end play.


http://dogwoodbc.ca/news/kinder-morgans-ultimatum/


What it all comes down to is that this pipeline is not about Canada or Canadians, it is about a Texas based multinational corporation trying to threaten, cajole and buy off the people of BC to get what they want. They have a lousy record of environmental safety and their only concern is to their profit margin and promises they made to their shareholders. If anybody thinks otherwise, they need to give their heads a serious shake cuz something in there isn't working right.
 
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Bitumen floats longer than expected, Natural Resources Canada research shows

Dettman’s tests, between 2014 and now, using varying grades of diluted bitumen typical of oilsands production, shows that the material will float on the surface for up to three to four weeks, even under wave conditions that would cause conventional crude to mix in with the water column.
“The fear is that as soon as (diluted bitumen) hits the water it sinks,” Dettman said. “That’s the messaging that’s been out there and that’s not what we’ve been finding, even in fresh water.”

The biggest spill that the Western Canada Marine Response Corp. has dealt with involved a mix of bitumen and synthetic oil, said spokesman Michael Lowry. That was the 2007 puncture of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain pipeline in Burnaby that led to about 100 tonnes of oil flowing down storm drains into Burrard Inlet. In nice weather and close to the industry-funded spill responders’ facilities, Lowry said they were able to recover 90 per cent of the oil.
“Those are ideal conditions; I can’t extrapolate those to other spills for sure,” Lowry said