Khadr to Harper: Sorry to disappoint you

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Omar Khadr is the new hotness. He should be on the cover of Time.


Gracious, respectful Omar Khadr confounds Harper government stereotype: Walkom

The man Prime Minister Stephen Harper loves to demonize reveals himself to be remarkably human.

JASON FRANSON / THE CANADIAN PRESS

This is not the Omar Khadr that the Harper government wants us to see. It prefers a world that is black and white, where the bad guys are terrorists who commit heinous crimes and the good guys are one-dimensionally heroic, writes Thomas Walkom.
Published on May 08 2015
Thomas Walkom

NATIONAL AFFAIRS

By simply seeming reasonable, Omar Khadr has confounded Stephen Harper.

The former Guantanamo Bay inmate could have reacted bitterly Thursday when, after almost 13 years in detention, he was finally allowed out on bail.

He could have echoed his lawyer, Dennis Edney, and called the prime minister an anti-Muslim bigot.

Captured on the Afghan battlefield when he was 15, Khadr could have asked why successive Liberal and Conservative governments didn’t live up to their treaty obligations to protect child soldiers.

He might have questioned why Ottawa actively participated in Guantanamo Bay interrogations that Canada’s Supreme Court later declared illegal and coercive.

He might have had harsh words for the roughly 60 per cent of Canadians who, if the polls were correct in 2012, didn’t want their fellow citizen back in Canada.

But on Thursday, speaking to reporters outside his lawyer’s Edmonton home, the man the Conservatives call a dangerous terrorist did none of this.

He was calm, gracious and respectful.

He said the reaction of Canadians, including the sheriffs escorting him to court, was far kinder than he expected.

He asked others to give him a chance before rushing to judgment, “to see who I am as a person, not as a name.”

Asked what he wants to do most now that he is out of jail, he laughed and gave what struck me as the honest answer of a 28-year-old who has been locked up half his life.

“Everything and nothing in particular,” he said. “Everything.”

As for the U.S. soldiers killed and wounded in the 2002 firefight in which he was captured, Khadr apologized to their families for any pain he may have caused.

“There’s nothing I can do about the past, but I hope I can do something about the future,” he said.

He did not downplay the fact that he fought on the side of Afghanistan’s Taliban during the U.S.-led invasion of that country. But he said that he has abandoned violent jihad.

“It’s not something I believe in right now. I want a fresh start.

“There are too many good things in life I want to experience.”

Asked about his father, a jihadist who sent his son to join the Taliban, Khadr neither denounced nor praised him. Instead, he gave the answer of baffled sons the world over: “There are a lot of questions I’d like to ask my father.”

In short, he came across in that brief press conference as remarkably human — as someone who wants to build a new life, but isn’t entirely sure how to do it; as a person who has outgrown his past but is still trying to come to terms with it.

This is not the Omar Khadr that the Harper government wants us to see. It prefers a world that is black and white, where the bad guys are terrorists who commit heinous crimes and the good guys are one-dimensionally heroic.

Government ministers, and the prime minister himself, refer to the fact that Khadr pled guilty to war crimes, including murder.

They neglect to point out that he made this plea at Guantanamo Bay before a deeply flawed U.S. military commission armed with powers that no regular American or Canadian court is allowed.

They neglect to point out that the alleged war crimes for which Khadr was convicted, including killing an enemy soldier in battle, are not in fact war crimes.

They neglect to point out that Khadr, quite understandably, was willing to agree to anything that would get him out of Guantanamo Bay.

On Friday, Harper was asked about Khadr.

He gave the government’s boilerplate response. Khadr, he said had pled guilty to very grave crimes; Ottawa’s thoughts and prayers were with the victims.

In the past, that response might have sufficed. Now that Canadians have had a chance to see and hear Omar Khadr in person, it no longer does.

Khadr himself said it best Thursday, when he was asked about the prime minister’s characterization of him.

“I’m going to have to disappoint him,” replied the man the Harper government loves to hate.

“I’m not the person he thinks I am.”

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news...unds-harper-government-stereotype-walkom.html
 

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No he didn't watch. Let's get our facts straight. In fact, he saved a hell of a lot of people. You want to blame someone for Rwanda you can blame the UN for ignoring repeated requests by Dallaire and you can blame the Clinton Administration for refusing to use the word "Genocide" to avoid becoming involved in the run up to that massacre.
Not the Clintons they would never turn their back on suffering Africans .
 

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And that would prove what? I wouldn't invite the Prime Minister to my home to live...............so it's a stupid f**king statement!

Awww, whatsa matter snookums? Wouldn't you feel safer if poor wee Omar was all snuggled-up in the nest with you?

Ideologues like you and Cliffy are great for a prolonged laugh.
 

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Awww, whatsa matter snookums? Wouldn't you feel safer if poor wee Omar was all snuggled-up in the nest with you?

Ideologues like you and Cliffy are great for a prolonged laugh.

Yer talkin' stupid again Capt. All I want to see is justice, that as a juvenile he serves no harsher of a sentence than that allotted to other juveniles, often ones who have committed heinous crimes. We don't know what actually transpired with Omar - everything is still "alleged". He was in a war, not robbing a bank or raping a child.
 

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Awww, whatsa matter snookums? Wouldn't you feel safer if poor wee Omar was all snuggled-up in the nest with you?

Ideologues like you and Cliffy are great for a prolonged laugh.
You laughing at RCS too, someone who has been in the military and agrees you and your hate buddies are completely wrong? You, Sleepy and the rest of the con hate club are the ones who might be so laughable if it wasn't for your unconditional support of Harpo's and the medias hate and propaganda campaign.
 

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You laughing at RCS too, someone who has been in the military and agrees you and your hate buddies are completely wrong? You, Sleepy and the rest of the con hate club are the ones who might be so laughable if it wasn't for your unconditional support of Harpo's and the medias hate and propaganda campaign.

I'm in a real quandary, I was up until this past week or so going to hold my nose and vote for Harper's party only because the other leaders weren't fit to lead, now I think I'll just vote for the best local candidate whoever he/she is. Harper is just becoming an A$$hole on too many fronts, not the least of which is putting our soldiers at risk.
 

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Yer talkin' stupid again Capt.

That is a direct reflection of who I am talkin' to

All I want to see is justice, that as a juvenile he serves no harsher of a sentence than that allotted to other juveniles, often ones who have committed heinous crimes.

Great.. Seeing how he committed the crime in Afghanistan, let's let them assess the 'sentence' as per their standards.

We don't know what actually transpired with Omar - everything is still "alleged". He was in a war, not robbing a bank or raping a child.

... Other than his outright admission, right?

Nope, nothing 'alleged' here.

You laughing at RCS too,


Nope... Just laughing at a couple of ideologues, that's all
 

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Khadr appearance didn't disappoint anyone, he really seems to like that jihadis facial shave style.

If you look like a duck........!!
 

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You laughing at RCS too, someone who has been in the military and agrees you and your hate buddies are completely wrong? You, Sleepy and the rest of the con hate club are the ones who might be so laughable if it wasn't for your unconditional support of Harpo's and the medias hate and propaganda campaign.

Omar's terrorist actions have nothing to do with Harper. I don't even believe he was PM when he did his actions.

Answer me one question - if you dare. How many more years do you think Omar should be incarcerated for?

His full sentence given with his conviction in the USA. The lad can no longer be presumed innocent as he has been found guilty.
 

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Which Afghan did he harm?

His actions took place in Afghanistan, and as per this photo, the IEDs he manufactured are not magically programmed to blow-up only US soldiers... I can't even begin to imagine the number of kids that have, or will, set-off these devices unknowingly.



"a video of Omar Khadr assembling and planting improvised explosive devices (IEDs)"

Answer me one question - if you dare. How many more years do you think Omar should be incarcerated for?

Personally, I believe that Khadr is beyond salvage.. He is 'broken' and there is no amount of therapy, treatments or reintegration efforts that will reverse any of his personal damage.

In terms of your question, he should still be held to the judicial standard of the nation in which his actions took place.... I suspect that the Afghan gvt would not be too quick to release him alive regardless of the amount of time he serves
 

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Great.. Seeing how he committed the crime in Afghanistan, let's let them assess the 'sentence' as per their standards.


This comment is the epitome of stupidity beyond the pale. If Afghan "standards" are just fine and dandy right now, then why the fu ck did we go into Afganistan in the first place? The Afghan government wouldn't give up BL because, by their standards, there was no proof of his involvement in 9/11. So, are you now saying that the u.s. and Canada had no right to invade Afghanistan? If that is the case then Khadr did absolutely nothing wrong when in fact Canadian and American soldiers are the real murders. Unless, of course, you want to retract your patently stupid comment concerning "Afghan standards".


... Other than his outright admission, right?

Nope, nothing 'alleged' here.




Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because an admission of guilt by a teenager after being tortured is A no.1.






I see the depths of your stupidity knows no bounds. I can only assume that you do a lot of tripping and falling down while trying to walk and breathe at the same time.
 
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Yer talkin' stupid again Capt. All I want to see is justice, that as a juvenile he serves no harsher of a sentence than that allotted to other juveniles, often ones who have committed heinous crimes. We don't know what actually transpired with Omar - everything is still "alleged". He was in a war, not robbing a bank or raping a child.
Do you feel as benevolent about the young lads shooting up Surrey ?
 

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Omar's terrorist actions have nothing to do with Harper. I don't even believe he was PM when he did his actions.



His full sentence given with his conviction in the USA. The lad can no longer be presumed innocent as he has been found guilty.

He wasn't found guilty, he confessed to get out of Gitmo. When there's a clamp on your balls, you might say anything to get it removed. You have a bit to learn yet about human nature, actually a LOT!
 

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Omar's terrorist actions have nothing to do with Harper. I don't even believe he was PM when he did his actions.



His full sentence given with his conviction in the USA. The lad can no longer be presumed innocent as he has been found guilty.
Your right Jean the Cretien was PM at the time and CBC articles had a decidedly different tone when telling his story .
 

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Do you feel as benevolent about the young lads shooting up Surrey ?

I haven't followed that, if guilty I would support a sentence given to their peers for the same crime.

Omar's terrorist actions have nothing to do with Harper. I don't even believe he was PM when he did his actions.

So why is Harper sticking his big f**king nose into it? Harper is supposed to remain mute and let the courts do their thing. Once charges have been laid, he isn't supposed to sticking his f**king nose into this sh*t. It longer concerns him.

This comment is the epitome of stupidity beyond the pale. If Afghan "standards" are just fine and dandy right now, then why the fu ck did we go into Afganistan in the first place? The Afghan government wouldn't give up BL because, by their standards, there was no proof of his involvement in 9/11. So, are you now saying that the u.s. and Canada had no right to invade Afghanistan? If that is the case then Khadr did absolutely nothing wrong when in fact Canadian and American soldiers are the real murders. Unless, of course, you want to retract your patently stupid comment concerning "Afghan standards".







Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because an admission of guilt by a teenager after being tortured is A no.1.






I see the depths of your stupidity knows no bounds. I can only assume that you do a lot of tripping and falling down while trying to walk and breathe at the same time.

I didn't used to have the Cap't pegged as being that stupid. Somehow I often wonder if he's not playing "Devil's Advocate" No one over 5 can be THAT stupid!

Do you feel as benevolent about the young lads shooting up Surrey ?

What do their crimes have in common with Omar's alleged crime?
 

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This comment is the epitome of stupidity beyond the pale.

Clearly, you have never read any of your own posts

If Afghan "standards" are just fine and dandy right now,

Where should he have been tried? Copenhagen? Beijing? Bangkok?

Since Khadr identifies with fanatical terrorists, maybe best to get the Taliban or Boko Harem to sit in judgement, eh?


then why the fu ck did we go into Afganistan in the first place?

How many fukkin reasons do you need Einstein?

Perhaps you can start here:

"whereas the House recognizes the important contribution and sacrifice of Canadian Forces and Canadian civilian personnel as part of the UN mandated, NATO-led mission deployed in Afghanistan at the request of the democratically elected government of Afghanistan"


Government Motion – Seeking to Continue the Mission in Afghanistan | Leader of the Government in the House of Commons

Say, any thoughts on why Omar went to Afghanistan?.... Seeing how you demand justification on one side, how about from Khadr's position?

Lemme guess, you haven't thought that far ahead.... No surprise there

The Afghan government wouldn't give up BA because, by their standards, there was no proof of his involvement in 9/11. So, are you now saying that the u.s. and Canada had no right to invade Afghanistan? If that is the case then Khadr did absolutely nothing wrong when in fact Canadian and American soldiers are the real murders. Unless, of course, you want to retract your patently stupid comment concerning "Afghan standards".

'Right to invade'?... Do you make this sh*t up as you go along or so you spend hours diligently crafting such retarded comments?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because an admission of guilt by a teenager after being tortured is A no.1.


You got all that irrefutable proof of torture then, or you're just willing to be flexible in that?.. All the same, Khadr's mfg and planting of IEDs have no doubt killed and maimed hundreds, if not thousands, that will live with that torture for the balance of their lives (if they did survive that is)... Oh, and by the way, his little bombs don't discriminate between some innocent walking down the road and a US/Cdn soldier.

Thought I'd mention that in case you had some notion that the bombs only hurt the baddies

All the same, an admission of guilt is an admission of guilt; if Khadr thought that was the easy way out, then tough sh*t for him... Not my problem

I see the depths of your stupidity knows no bounds. I can only assume that you do a lot of tripping and falling down while trying to walk and breathe at the same time.

Go and re-read that trash you post and then get back to me m'kay.

By far and away, yours and JLM's are among the most incoherent babbling that I have ever come across.. For you it's easy, and JLM, well he's probably got some dementia in play, but for me, I couldn't make up that retarded logic in my wildest dreams
 

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Awww, whatsa matter snookums? Wouldn't you feel safer if poor wee Omar was all snuggled-up in the nest with you?

Ideologues like you and Cliffy are great for a prolonged laugh.

Supreme Court Justice is an ideologue confirmed.