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Oooooo. This will go tribe to tribe deals as it should be not Eby trying to hold Cariboo votes to look flashy.

Tribe to tribe trade unlocks FN commerce. Billions of dollar flint for pipestone deals.
In its own statement, the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs (UBCIC) said it is “loudly objecting” to the MOU, noting that it was done without involvement from coastal First Nations in the province.

They said the agreement does not meet the requirements around the duty to consult that are outlined in the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

“The answer is still no and always will be,” said UBCIC Grand Chief Stewart Phillip in a statement.

Phillip also said lifting the ban on crude oil tankers in the region amounted to bulldozing First Nation rights.


So go tribe to tribe and fuck the Govt.
 

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No more Guilbeault Bagginseses...funny. Greens need a leader.
Meanwhile, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May is making her pitch to Guilbeault to join her party.

May said Guilbeault leaving cabinet “dashes the last hope that Mark Carney is going to have a good climate record ever.”

“So Steven Guilbeault has given up on Mark Carney. Don’t give up on democracy, don’t give up on climate action. Join us, now’s the time
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Ron in Regina

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Meanwhile, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May is making her pitch to Guilbeault to join her party.

May said Guilbeault leaving cabinet “dashes the last hope that Mark Carney is going to have a good climate record ever.”

“So Steven Guilbeault has given up on Mark Carney. Don’t give up on democracy, don’t give up on climate action. Join us, now’s the time
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1764287318276.jpegThere’s nothing but a memorandum of understanding at this point, & they’re losing their shit.
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“The answer is still no and always will be,” said UBCIC Grand Chief Stewart Phillip in a statement.
Heck of a place to “start negotiations”? Carney has hedged his bets enough to kibosh anything before it starts anyway.
(YouTube & Is the pipeline MOU a new nation building project ?Alberta)
 

Ron in Regina

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Mark Carney has enough baggage in this memorandum of understanding that he could squish this at any time, so we’re just gonna have to watch and wait and see what really happens.
(YouTube & Energy expert warns Alberta-Ottawa pipeline plan faces tough road ahead)
(YouTube & Alberta and Ottawa unveil pipeline framework)
 
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The deal includes a pledge for a new bitumen pipeline to the West Coast with Indigenous co-ownership and the suspension of clean electricity regulations for Alberta with the proviso that the province increase its industrial carbon price.

The memorandum of understanding also says the federal government won’t implement its oil and gas emissions cap and, if the pipeline comes to fruition, the government would adjust the current oil tanker ban so bitumen could be exported to Asian markets.
(YouTube & Rebel News presses Premier Smith on pipeline deal with Ottawa)
(YouTube & Premier Smith on how a large portion of the pipeline project focuses on Alberta)
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So Guilbeault has been an MP for 6yrs & 5 weeks. Phew!
Pension secured .
 
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There is a negotiation maxim widely heard in trade talks that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. By that measure nothing has been agreed between Ottawa and Alberta.

Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith wanted to make a show of signing a memorandum of understanding on energy and the environment, even though all the actual commitments are still TBD.
The Liberal Prime Minister has made a new one-million barrels-a-day pipeline to the British Columbia coast a national priority.

Alberta’s United Conservative Premier has made a long-term commitment to more stringent industrial carbon pricing to reduce emissions.

“If” both sides follow through on what is essentially a negotiating agenda for a real agreement, it will transform the prospects for Canada’s energy sector and its climate policy and internal politics.
There’s nothing but a memorandum of understanding at this point, & they’re losing their shit.
It calls for a new pipeline, on the condition that the oil industry builds a massive carbon-capture project to reduce oil emissions. It gets rid of the emissions cap and several other regulations that Ms. Smith called “bad laws” if Alberta raises its industrial carbon levy to $130 per tonne − much higher than it is now but less than the increase that was supposed to take effect under existing federal climate policy. That’s a groundbreaking compromise.

The biggest obstacle comes from the objections of Mr. Eby and B.C.’s Coastal First Nations, who oppose a pipeline to the northwest B.C. coast and the lifting of the tanker ban that such a project requires. Mr. Eby described the tanker ban as key to First Nations support for several major projects, suggesting that lifting it would be like removing a Jenga piece that makes it all fall apart.

So it’s worth noting that the wording of the MOU signed Thursday allows for a way to work around that issue, quite literally. It called for a pipeline to Asian markets, without mentioning northwest B.C., so a compromise could conceivably be reached to instead triple the conduits of the now-twinned Trans Mountain pipeline to Burnaby, B.C.
 

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Major hurdles await, including getting the B.C. government of NDP Premier David Eby on board.

Eby opposes a new pipeline, although not another part of the deal, which calls for the expansion of the existing Trans Mountain pipeline to deliver an additional 400,000 barrels of oil a day to B.C. and from there to Asian markets.

Some Indigenous leaders have vowed the pipeline will never be built, although the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that while affected Indigenous groups must be consulted and accommodated, they do not have a veto on new pipelines.
The success or failure of this project will depend on the commitment of Carney and the Liberals, who, under Trudeau, were always ready to isolate and attack Alberta and its premier, for their own political ends.
 

Ron in Regina

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Meanwhile, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May is making her pitch to Guilbeault to join her party.

May said Guilbeault leaving cabinet “dashes the last hope that Mark Carney is going to have a good climate record ever.”

“So Steven Guilbeault has given up on Mark Carney. Don’t give up on democracy, don’t give up on climate action. Join us, now’s the time
.”
But that’s neither here nor there….
 

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But that’s neither here nor there….
Amazing that he was ever considered and made it as far as he did.

 
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Amazing that he was ever considered and made it as far as he did.

Justin Trudeau needed a face for his environmental extremism and someone to further alienate the Prairies, and Greta Thunberg was only a 16yr old Swedish high school student during the Fall election in Canada in 2019…so Guilbeault was Trudeau’s next best choice.

Anyway, Natural Resources Minister Tim Hodgson travelled to British Columbia Friday for a meeting with Premier David Eby, who continued to express frustration over his province’s exclusion from negotiations for the landmark deal Ottawa signed with Alberta.

B.C. was not at the table for discussions on the MOU, prompting anger from the Eby government.

The agreement itself says there would be trilateral discussions on the pipeline, as well as consultation with First Nations and the pipeline would have Indigenous co-ownership.

But Mr. Eby said Friday the pipeline is never going to happen, citing the lack of a proponent and the objections of Coastal First Nations…and that’s why he wasn’t at the table for discussions on the MOU.

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith called the agreement a “clear win. There’s no doubt David Eby is not a fan of it, as you probably heard,” she told party members at their Edmonton convention. “But I think it’s not his decision, it’s the federal government’s decision.”

Mr. Hodgson apologized late Friday for comments he made in a CBC interview. When asked on Thursday about ensuring the Coastal First Nations, who oppose a pipeline, could attend a meeting about the issue, he replied: “It’s called Zoom.” In a Friday post on X, he said it was a poor choice of words and he reached out to apologize to the First Nations, whom he looks forward to meeting in person.

Toronto MP Rob Oliphant, parliamentary secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, said Mr. Guilbeault was a valued member of the party, and both he and the government had tough choices to make.

“We have to change the narrative that Alberta doesn’t belong in the country,” he said in an interview. “Does it mean that we give up on our environmental agenda? Never. This is an existential crisis.”

Kevin Bosch, a lobbyist and former senior Liberal staffer who hails from Alberta, said he believes Liberals are unified behind Mr. Carney. “I think they’re grateful for the work that Steven Guilbeault did but understand that this new Prime Minister is going in a different direction,” he said.
(The direction is forward)

What the Smith-Carney deal does accomplish is to buy both of them time to each satisfy their base. For Smith that is conservatives flirting with separatism, and for Carney, it is environmentalist Liberals, some of whom see this deal as a betrayal, such as former environment minister Steven Guilbeault who quit cabinet in protest. We applaud genuine attempts from Ottawa to work with, as opposed to against, Alberta, but we’re not confident this plan will deliver what is promised.
 

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B.C. Premier David Eby – who has vehemently opposed Alberta’s pursuit for a new bitumen pipeline to the West Coast (in the national best interest, etc…) – says he is open to a pipeline project in his province if the tanker ban remains in place?
(YouTube & 'I think David Eby doesn't know a whole lot about building pipelines' | Former BC Premier Christy Clark)

“If we can agree that the oil tanker ban is going to stay in place, then let’s have those conversations,” Eby later added.
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Hmmm…& then he wonders why this sort of thing happens?
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Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith signed a historic energy co-operation agreement on Thursday, outlining the conditions that need to be met for a new oil pipeline to the Pacific to proceed.

In the memorandum of understanding (MOU), Alberta has agreed to negotiate an industrial carbon pricing agreement by April 2026 that would implement an industrial carbon price with a floor of $130 per tonne.

In return, the federal Liberals have agreed to suspend the clean electricity regulations in the province, not implement the oil and gas emissions cap, and “if required,make an exemption to the federal tanker ban.

Carney also made it clear on Thursday that a new pipeline will only happen if a private sector proponent comes forward, and the tanker ban was enacted in 2019 and prohibits oil tankers carrying over 12,500 metric tons of crude or persistent oil from docking, loading or unloading at ports on the B.C. north coast to ensure a private sector proponent wouldn’t come forward.

According to the MOU, there is a commitment to construct “one or more private sector constructed and financed pipelines, with Indigenous Peoples co-ownership and economic benefits” with a “route that increases export access to Asian markets.” But there is no explicit obligation for a pipeline that would route through the B.C. north coast.

Eby also pointed to the B.C. government’s recent support to move more Alberta crude oil to the West Coast by increasing capacity to the Trans Mountain pipeline by 40 per cent, with results as early as 2026.

(The current Trans-Mountain pipeline is already running at more than 80% capacity, and within the next few years will be at 100% capacity, and that’s with Canada shipping 95% of its energy exports to America already at a steep discount. An increase of 40% of the 5% reaching a non-American destination would be 2% increase from the total)
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“We’ve offered that up to Alberta to say we’re happy to work with you on this. And I say happy, but it’s gritted teeth,” Eby said?

“We fought that pipeline pretty hard for similar concerns, but it’s built now. It’s publicly owned. It is a moment for Canada. We’re willing to sit at the table and work out those details and get it done,” he added?
(YouTube & Vassy Kapelos Defends...Danielle Smith?! Triggers David Eby)
But Mr. Eby said Friday the pipeline is never going to happen, citing the lack of a proponent and the objections of Coastal First Nations…and that’s why he wasn’t at the table for discussions on the MOU.
Ok then, so David Eby is for a pipeline from Alberta (so in turn also from Saskatchewan) to…Washington State then (?) across the top of Montana and Idaho from these landlocked provinces (?) because “Elbows Up & Go Team Canada” in order to reach an ocean to expand beyond just discounting their products to only one customer for the most part, that flip-flops on financially attacking in Canada constantly for most of the last year?
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The federal government has effectively granted a veto to B.C. and First Nations, stating that it needs their agreement to advance a pipeline to the Pacific coast. This position is based on a commitment to work with all relevant stakeholders before any project is approved…& here we are again/still.
(YouTube & Premier Moe CLAPS BACK At David Eby)
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Churchill actually makes a lot of sense given the open waters of the Northwest Passage when you factor political support.
SK & AB have to be able to reach “some” ocean if denied access to the BC coast. This could be a viable option that’s still inside Canada, other than to the coast of Washington State just to reach tidewater.
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Environment and Climate Change Minister Julie Dabrusin is pushing back against claims from Steven Guilbeault, who resigned from cabinet this week (just 5 weeks after qualifying for his MP’s pension?) over Ottawa’s memorandum of understanding with Alberta and said Canada is dismantling several pieces of its climate plan.

“I really respectfully disagree with [Guilbeault] on his characterization of this memorandum of understanding,” Dabrusin said in an interview on CBC's Rosemary Barton Live. “I don’t see it as backsliding, and I don’t see it as cancelling programs."

The MOU — which “paves a potential pathway for a new oil and gas pipeline” to British Columbia…& the keyword is ‘potential’ and not ‘paved’ above, and Guilbeault — who was Environment and Climate Change Minister under former prime minister Justin Trudeau, isn’t the Environment and Climate Change Minister under Mark Carney.
When asked by host Rosemary Barton if she’s been given assurances Alberta will be able to meet the objectives, Dabrusin said the province will need to “meet the goal if we’re going to reach an agreement."

According to the MOU, Canada and Alberta have set a deadline of April 1 (April Fools Day, I know, and the irony hasn’t escaped me), 2026, to come to a carbon-pricing equivalency agreement and a methane equivalency agreement in order to discuss the “potential” for a pipeline to a Canadian coastline from one of only two landlocked provinces in Canada, while also remaining competitive on a world stage against every other oil exporting nation that doesn’t have to deal with Canadian bureaucracy and net zero regulations.

The MOU includes a provision that Canada and Alberta “also agree to engage meaningfully with Indigenous Peoples in both Alberta and British Columbia on this project, with the involvement of the B.C. Government for engagement with B.C. First Nations” just like the Ontario Automotive industry didn’t have to do with all the failed and failing EV battery boondoggles, etc…

“If Canada gets this done, I will be gobsmacked if they can pull this off,” Maureen Nyce, the elected chief councillor of the Haisla Nation in B.C’s North Coast, said. “And by the time they get this off the ground, I don’t think they’ll be able to sell any oil because nobody’s going to be buying it.”
 
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