Karma

Mowich

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 25, 2005
16,649
998
113
76
Eagle Creek
How does your version of "science" explain it "better"? It certainly can't account for existence, the laws of logic, absolute truth, absolute morals...



:cool:

Now this is good. :lol:
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
If that is an absolute truth, why isn't all truth absolute then?

You believe Jesus walked on water, through walls and rose on a cloud into heaven, raised the dead, healed the blind, rose from the dead, etc. Does this not contradict the rock is more solid than your toe "absolute truth"?

Thoughts and opinions don't make anything exist because imaginationland isn't a real place. Therefore, Sherlock Holmes doesn't exist, even in the minds of people. Millions of gullible children don't just think of, but believe in Santa Claus. Does this make him exist? I've seen atheists actually use this as an example before.

And you believe in the existence of imaginary gods. What is your point?

I thought you were an atheist. No?

You are not paying attention.
 

AnnaG

Hall of Fame Member
Jul 5, 2009
17,507
117
63
With all respect I said! Dexter and I go way back bud, before you even knew what a forum was...



Josephus, wrote in Antiquities of the Jews, "And there arose about this time Jesus, a wise man, if indeed we should call him a man; for he was a doer of marvelous deeds, a teacher of men who receive the truth with pleasure". Also, Josephus documented how a man named Ananus brought before the Sanhedrin "a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and certain others".

About 20 years later, Tacitus, a Roman historian, wrote a book surveying the history of Rome. In it he described how Nero (the Roman emperor) "punished with every refinement the notoriously depraved Christians (as they were popularly called)." He went on to write that "their originator, Christ, had been executed in Tiberius' reign by the governor of Judea, Pontius Pilatus". Even though Tacitus, Josephus, and other historians from the first and second centuries a.d. were not followers of Christ, they did have something to say about Him - and they even verified that Jesus was a real person. Who was so famous that He even attracted the attention of the Roman emperor himself!

REFERENCES
Antiquities of the Jews(Section 8 and 20)
(Annals 15:44)



If truth was absolute we would all agree on it??? Our feelings don't have ANYTHING to do with it!!! Truth is real just like existence. REALITY is happening and its beyond anyone's control. Either Cliffy went on the forum today or he didn't. There's no middle answer!

I've already proven the truth is absolute here and here(post#101).

In addition, read these and understand them:

Law of Identity
Law of non-contradiction
Law of the excluded middle

And as for your assertions that the bible if fully concocted, I'm going back to that thread to see if you ever posted any evidence for that claim. I highly suspect you didn't.
And if you remember, people of the Jewish faith that the importance placed on Yeshua ben Yusef is much exaggerated. If he indeed existed, he was no more a god than you or I according to them.
As for the Bible being concotcted, it's pretty obvious that we cannot take what it says to be the literal truth and anyone can make a figurative story sound nothing like what they are trying to say. So that leaves us with a pile of sometimes entertaining stories that are no more believable than any of the Grimm's faerie tales and indeed, Grimm brother's faerie tales are clearer in conveyance than a lot of the Bible's little tales.

This bit was interesting:

www.infoministries.com - Yeshua Didn't Preexist
 

AnnaG

Hall of Fame Member
Jul 5, 2009
17,507
117
63
If that is an absolute truth, why isn't all truth absolute then?
Because some are relative to individuals? I would have thought that was pretty clear.



Thoughts and opinions don't make anything exist because imaginationland isn't a real place. Therefore, Sherlock Holmes doesn't exist, even in the minds of people.
Then no-one thinks of Sherlock Holmes? You're wrong. There are a lot of people in clubs that revolve around the character and his maker, Doyle. There is absolutely no discernable difference between whether Yeshua ben Yusif and Sherlock Holmes' existences. They were both said to have existed, both written about extensively, both performed astonishing feats, etc. yet there is no definitive proof that either existed outside the imagination.
Millions of gullible children don't just think of, but believe in Santa Claus. Does this make him exist?
Exactly my point. There's no definitive evidence that this Yeshua ben Yusif existed, let alone existed as a god, yet people believe in him to this day.
I've seen atheists actually use this as an example before.
Good for you.

I thought you were an atheist. No?
No. My position that of all the gods that ever existed, none give a crap about humans or Earth. So they are completely irrelevant to us.
 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
8,583
60
48
United States
You cannot have a free and open discussion with terms. Science does not exclude and super natural explanation, just files it under unknown to science at the moment. There are many things in science that are unexplainable as is in religion. Man is slowly moving into a era where we will understand most things, does that mean we may some day evolve/ascend into some god like creature, no. We never will.
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
does that mean we may some day evolve/ascend into some god like creature

No, because we already are. The energy we are made of is the same energy that permeates the universe. We use it to create our personal reality. How? The universe/life reflects back at us precisely what we think and believe about life. So if you think you are fat, stupid, ugly, poor, rich, beautiful, smart, trim, you are. If you think that you don't deserve to be happy or rich, you won't be and vice versa.
 

china

Time Out
Jul 30, 2006
5,247
37
48
73
Ottawa ,Canada
So if you think you are fat, stupid, ugly, poor, rich, beautiful, smart, trim, you are. If you think that you don't deserve to be happy or rich, you won't be and vice versa.
Way the way to go Cliffy , ...... "You are what you think you are"; but so few see and comprehend
,pity .
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
Way the way to go Cliffy , ...... "You are what you think you are"; but so few see and comprehend
,pity .
People are always saying you are what you eat. But when I correct them and say you are what you think, their expression goes blank. To me it is fairly obvious and simple. What you put out into the world is what you get back.
 

VanIsle

Always thinking
Nov 12, 2008
7,046
43
48
does that mean we may some day evolve/ascend into some god like creature

No, because we already are. The energy we are made of is the same energy that permeates the universe. We use it to create our personal reality. How? The universe/life reflects back at us precisely what we think and believe about life. So if you think you are fat, stupid, ugly, poor, rich, beautiful, smart, trim, you are. If you think that you don't deserve to be happy or rich, you won't be and vice versa.
Well Cliff, I'm not so sure about one part of your post. If I didn't think I deserved to be rich (or at the very least, well off), then I would not buy lottery tickets. I've been buying them since they started and now - you know the rest of the story!!! :lol: Maybe if I buy a ticket today I can be happy and rich in more than money.8O
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
Well Cliff, I'm not so sure about one part of your post. If I didn't think I deserved to be rich (or at the very least, well off), then I would not buy lottery tickets. I've been buying them since they started and now - you know the rest of the story!!! :lol: Maybe if I buy a ticket today I can be happy and rich in more than money.8O
Sorry to break it to you VanIsle, but buying lottery tickets is an admission of poverty. To be rich you have to believe, no, know that you are already rich.
Personally I don't want to be rich. It is too big a responsibility and I know myself enough to know that I would probably become a mindless consumer of crap I don't need.
 

VanIsle

Always thinking
Nov 12, 2008
7,046
43
48
Sorry to break it to you VanIsle, but buying lottery tickets is an admission of poverty. To be rich you have to believe, no, know that you are already rich.
Personally I don't want to be rich. It is too big a responsibility and I know myself enough to know that I would probably become a mindless consumer of crap I don't need.
True if you spend a bundle on them (lotto). I feel pretty rich already. I have a home, husband, children and grandchildren. I also agree about the responsibility of winning a large lottery. I always wish that someone else in my family would win it and just give me what they want to and let me just be happy with that, never worrying about whether or not anyone feels I've been fair with my "distribution of funds". On the other side of the coin, if I won a big lottery, think of all you can do with it. I've never been wealthy and I've never hung out with wealthy people and I shudder to think how it would be if I did. I'd rather free all my family of debt if there was enough to do that, put money away for all the children in the family to go to university if they want to. After that, there is medical equipment required either for families or hospitals, there are hungry people and people who need a hand up and I hope I would be the kind of person who would do those things.
 

VanIsle

Always thinking
Nov 12, 2008
7,046
43
48
This thread was about Karma. I have not read the posts but - I do believe in the "what goes around comes around" concept. I had a customer one day who told me I had missed scannning an item that cost $7.00. The computers were set up in such a way that it was easy to miss scanning the first item and not notice because the usual "beep" would sound. I thanked her for telling me to which she replied "I believe in Karma". I guess we can break that down to a "do unto others" kind of thing. I have had a number of people tell me the same thing (not for the same reason) since that time.
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
True if you spend a bundle on them (lotto). I feel pretty rich already. I have a home, husband, children and grandchildren. I also agree about the responsibility of winning a large lottery. I always wish that someone else in my family would win it and just give me what they want to and let me just be happy with that, never worrying about whether or not anyone feels I've been fair with my "distribution of funds". On the other side of the coin, if I won a big lottery, think of all you can do with it. I've never been wealthy and I've never hung out with wealthy people and I shudder to think how it would be if I did. I'd rather free all my family of debt if there was enough to do that, put money away for all the children in the family to go to university if they want to. After that, there is medical equipment required either for families or hospitals, there are hungry people and people who need a hand up and I hope I would be the kind of person who would do those things.

Yes, we all have those altruistic views of what we would do, but history shows that people who win a vast amount of money suddenly become someone else.
 

AnnaG

Hall of Fame Member
Jul 5, 2009
17,507
117
63
Way the way to go Cliffy , ...... "You are what you think you are"; but so few see and comprehend
,pity .
Comprehesible English helps sometimes if you want to get your point across to other people.