Justin Trudeau announces transgender rights legislation: 'We can and should do more'
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Hey, you are born with one of two genders at birth, what you get is what you'e stuck with. It's the head that needs fixing, not the gender!
You got proof of this or you just spouting off some BS "facts" you heard on an anti-Trans site?
I'd be interested to see what Trans activists are saying this.
"As such, this new paper represents just the latest sally in a difficult, complicated conversation that’s far from over: a conversation about how we can most compassionately treat those who feel out of step with where they find themselves in the social world."
So the article is just one group's findings of how they see the Trans issue and it's acknowledged that the issue is complicated and needs to be discussed.
I'm not denying Trans kids have issues mentally, but so do a lot of other kids too these days. A trans kid's Gender Dysphoria may not be mutually inclusive to mental issues, you do realize, right? Likely the kid also has anxiety, ADHD, ADD, depression or whatever, AND the dysphoria on top of it, which only exacerbates some of their already present issues.
Just how much do you really know about Trans issues? Or do you just read anti-trans pieces and take it as gospel?
Which is totally opposite the usual "go back in the closet or where you came from" mentality that many - including yourself - have towards Trans people.
So the article is just one group's findings of how they see the Trans issue and it's acknowledged that the issue is complicated and needs to be discussed.
I'm not denying Trans kids have issues mentally, but so do a lot of other kids too these days. A trans kid's Gender Dysphoria may not be mutually inclusive to mental issues, you do realize, right? Likely the kid also has anxiety, ADHD, ADD, depression or whatever, AND the dysphoria on top of it, which only exacerbates some of their already present issues.
Just how much do you really know about Trans issues? Or do you just read anti-trans pieces and take it as gospel?
Which is totally opposite the usual "go back in the closet or where you came from" mentality that many - including yourself - have towards Trans people.
Oh I claim bullshit on this considering the rest of this post.
And your "should not be given special washrooms", for example, isn't imposing your values on them?
Good you feel this way, so trans women can go into women's bathrooms and trans men into male bathrooms. Glad you agree.
But they were born female/male, it's their body that fuked up. If a Trans person wants to compete but they haven't done any sort of hormone therapy to adjust then I could agree on the no fair/there's an advantage bandwagon because in essence there would be. However after hormone treatments is a different story. There are current studies being done about how such treatments affect Trans athletes.
BTW, if it's an unfair advantage, why don't Trans athletes ALWAYS win against their heterosexual counterparts?
They're women, they should be in a woman's prison.
The only alternative would be a specific place/housing for trans people; do you want your taxes to pay for that, when housing them in the right area would solve the issue?
As for Rape Crisis Centers... that one I can agree with in part, but only in part. Considering how many Trans people are raped, they deserve the same help as women or men in crisis centers as well; putting them into a crisis center that caters to men would be just as damaging to them as it would be for a woman in that same situation. It'd be like saying a man has to go to a woman's rape crisis center because he's been raped.
Rape has no gender but there should be consideration for the other people in the center who might be further traumatized.
Ah yes, the "they're men and faking!" excuse. Prove it.
Also it's interesting you keep on and on about trans women... you don't have issues with trans men? I mean, surely you care that a trans man going into a male washroom is horrible and somehow would de-masculate you, right?
Karen White: how 'manipulative' transgender inmate attacked again
Former neighbours describe 52-year-old as volatile and violent amid questions over placement in women’s prison
Karen White is being held at HM Prison Leeds, a category B men’s prison, and is undergoing gender reassignment surgery.
White entered the UK prison system as transgender. However, despite dressing as a woman, the 52-year-old had not undergone any surgery and was still legally a male. She was also a convicted paedophile and on remand for grievous bodily harm, burglary, multiple rapes and other sexual offences against women.
In September last year she was transferred to New Hall prison in West Yorkshire. During a three-month period at the female prison she sexually assaulted two other inmates.
The decision to move White to a women’s prison was made public after she admitted in court to the sexual assault and to multiple rapes committed before she was sent to prison.
Those who met White were shocked that she was moved to a female prison, describing the convicted sex offender as “manipulative and controlling”, and questioned her commitment to her transition. The Ministry of Justice has since apologised for the placement.
For now, White is being held at HM Prison Leeds, a category B men’s prison, and is undergoing gender reassignment surgery.
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Jenny-Anne Bishop, from the transgender rights group Transforum, said a local transgender case board made up of prison managers and psychologists decides where to place prisoners such as White within three days of a prisoner being taken into custody.
The board allows the prisoner to make representations, and considers any risks and whether the individual has been living in the gender with which they identify.
If this board’s decision is challenged, a local review board reconsiders the evidence. Finally, a “complex case board” can be set up to handle cases involving those aged 21 and under and for those at risk of causing harm to themselves or others.
It is believed the decision to place White in a women’s prison was made only at the first level – by a local case board. Bishop says the board should have taken into account all offending history but failed to do so.
Transgender prisoner Karen White in March 2018.
A custody photo of transgender prisoner Karen White taken in March 2018. Photograph: West Yorkshire Police/PA
Bishop, who met White at a Transforum support group meeting in Manchester about five years ago, said: “When I met her she was at the beginning of her transition. But I felt that she was someone who didn’t listen to any advice.
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“She seemed like somebody who was very much going to plough her own furrow regardless of the community advice, and she was going to demand her rights. She insisted people referred to her in her acquired gender without trying terribly hard to present as a woman.
“She would report people for a hate crime if they stumbled over which name to use for her – it was not a way to get yourself absorbed into the community. She was a person who would not compromise.”
Bishop said that over the years she had met thousands of trans people but White stood out. “I did feel she was someone not to mess with. Other members of the community said she had a very short temper. I did get the impression that she needed to go on an anger management course,” she added.
Before entering the prison system White was living in a social housing complex in the village of Mytholmroyd, West Yorkshire. Previously known as David Thompson, within a fortnight of moving in she had asked to be known as Karen White.
Residents said over a three-year period she presided over a reign of terror, physically and verbally abusing others, with some residents having to move away. All wanted to remain anonymous, for fear of reprisals.
One of the residents said White was initially “charming” but over time she became “incredibly aggressive” and residents feared for their safety. She said White was controlling and threatened to report many for hate crimes.
“We did not have a problem with her being transgender. We already had another transgender woman living here and we all got on just fine,” the woman said. “She was always calling the police accusing us of hate crimes against her. And then she started getting violent – it was a terrifying time for all of us – we wish she had never been placed here.”
The final straw came when White repeatedly stabbed an elderly male resident in his own home, claiming the pensioner had sexually assaulted her. The man said: “She just went for me – it was completely out of the blue. I still feel scared in my own home.”
The man staggered into another resident’s flat, the police were called and White was finally removed.
Born in July 1966 as Stephen Terence Wood, the former Manchester drag artist was convicted in 2001 on two charges of indecent assault and gross indecency with a child of primary school age, and jailed for 18 months.
While in prison, she changed her name to David Thompson.
White’s arrest for that stabbing and a burglary in 2017 came just as the Ministry of Justice updated its policy “on the care and management of transgender prisoners” after the death of two trans prisoners in male prisons.
The new 60-page policy introduced in January 2017 emphasised the right of prisoners to “self-identify” and to be treated “according to the gender in which they identify”. Previously, prisoners requiring such treatment would have needed a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) or to have had a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria.
Citing article 8 of the European convention on human rights, the new policy allowed those who did not have the GRC and who identified as a different gender to their biological sex to be located “in the part of the estate consistent with the gender they identify with”.
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A government survey has counted 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales, which is likely to be an underestimate. According to MoJ figures released in response to a freedom of information request by the BBC, 60 of them have been convicted of one or more sexual offences.
Frances Crook, the chief executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform, said grave mistakes were made in the White case and the safety of vulnerable women should be paramount.
Crook has previously said: “It is a very toxic debate, but I think prisons have probably been influenced by some of the extreme conversations and have been bullied into making some decisions that have harmed women.
“In my view, any man who has committed a serious sexual or violent offence against women, who then wants to transfer but has not gone through the whole process, still has a penis and still has male hormones, should not be put into a women’s prison. There may be a case for having separate provision; that is a debate to be had.”
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The government is currently carrying out a consultation about reforming the Gender Recognition Act. It has stated that “we are not necessarily proposing self-declaration of gender”, but some groups opposed to the changes fear a process of self-identification could give dangerous men posing as trans women access to vulnerable women, such as those in prisons.
Whatever the case with White, it is clear the prison service is under increasing pressure in this “rapidly developing area of policy”.
But Bishop argues that cases like White’s are still rare.
“The case boards are a good way of doing things – you can’t say the system is wrong when it goes wrong once. It is almost the exception that proves the rule – you’ve just got to look at what went wrong and make sure it doesn’t happen again. No system is perfect. It’s human nature that people will sometimes get it wrong.”
I'll sum it up this way:
Person thinks they're trans. They started person on process to transition, did not consider previous crimes.
Assumption is that the person faked being trans to get into female prison.
That could be.
What SHOULD have happened was instant psych eval for at least six months to a year before determining if they were trans or not. After which, THEN look into moving to another prison.
Citing this as proof that men fake being women is a serious reach.
BTW - you have no problems with taxes being increased slightly so prisons can have a new wing added for trans people, since, you know, you want them separated from the prisons they should be in?
Complaint filed by trans activist Jessica Yaniv deferred until $6,000 paid to beauty salons
Yaniv cannot pursue any complaints during this time, and if the costs aren't paid after the six months the complaints can be dismissed altogether
A complaint brought forward by trans activist Jessica Yaniv has been deferred for six months by the BC Human Rights Tribunal for her failure to pay costs from previous unsuccessful complaints against three beauty salons.
According to the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, Yaniv failed to pay $6,000 in costs to beauty salons she accused of discrimination for refusing to wax her genitalia. Yaniv filed the complaints in 2018 and the tribunal dismissed them in 2019.
In October, the Human Rights Tribunal thoroughly dismissed Yaniv’s case, ruling her persistent complaints that female salon workers refused to wax her scrotum were part of a campaign to both enrich herself and punish South Asian people, whom she views as hostile to the rights of transgender people.
Yaniv 'targeted small businesses, manufactured the conditions for a human rights complaint'
In effect, the tribunal found the respondents did not offer scrotum waxing to anyone, so they did not deny Yaniv a service in the first place. It also preferred the respondents’ evidence wherever it conflicted with Yaniv’s, which was “disingenuous and self-serving.”
Yaniv “targeted small businesses, manufactured the conditions for a human rights complaint, and then leveraged that complaint to pursue a financial settlement from parties who were unsophisticated and unlikely to mount a proper defence,” read the ruling. The ruling orders Yaniv to pay $2,000 to each of the three beauty salons for “improper conduct” including using human rights law as a “weapon” for “extortion.”
On Jan. 7, the Justice Centre said Yaniv had launched a new complaint, against a salon run by immigrant women who are of the Sikh faith. The salon, She Point Beauty Studio in Surrey, B.C., said it was approached by Yaniv seeking services in August of last year, like Brazilian bikini waxing and leg waxing.
Rights centre says trans activist Jessica Yaniv has filed new complaint against B.C. salon over waxing refusal
Trans activist Jessica Yaniv filed genital wax complaints as means of 'extortion,' rights tribunal rules
But due to her refusal to pay the costs from the previous complaints, the tribunal has deferred this new complaint until the costs are paid, or for six months.
According to the Justice Centre, this means Yaniv cannot pursue any complaints during this time, and if the costs aren’t paid after the six months, another deferral can be placed, or the complaints can be dismissed altogether.
Already gave my opinion on this twat.
Just because she's Trans doesn't make her less of an azzhole and she's doing NOTHING but serving herself. Fuk her.
Rachel McKinnon Is a Cheat and a Bully
By MADELEINE KEARNS
October 29, 2019 5:27 PM
Rachel McKinnon — the so-called defending “world champion” of women’s track cycling — is a man. I’ll repeat that so my meaning cannot be misconstrued. He is a man.
Maybe my kind-hearted reader is offended by this blunt phrasing. Why am I calling McKinnon a man — when, perhaps for complicated reasons, he would rather be called a woman? Why don’t I compromise and call him a “trans woman,” as others do? Or be polite and address him by “she/her” pronouns, like everyone else in the media?
Well, I’ll tell you why, since you asked. This is precisely the well-meant, tragically naïve logic that has enabled a structure of lies and tyranny to be erected around us, a structure that most cannot opt out of without incurring an enormous social cost. It is a structure in which cheating and viciousness are rewarded while civility and truth-telling are punished. Rachel McKinnon is the perfect example of how this structure works and operates, as well as why we should resist it.
For context: McKinnon lived unambiguously as a man (called “Rhys”) until the age of 29. In addition to male puberty, he has had a full experience of modern academia where he developed a particular enthusiasm for the philosophy of lies (literally) and for “gender studies.” Graduating first from the University of Victoria in British Columbia, he completed a Ph.D. from the University of Waterloo with a thesis on assertions, “Why You Don’t Need to Know What You’re Talking About” (the literal subtitle). Later, he published a book on this subject titled The Norms of Assertion: Truth, Lies and Warrant, in which he argues “that in some special contexts, we can lie.” Which contexts might those be?
While serving as an associate professor at the College of Charleston, S.C., McKinnon decided to get into sport cycling. (Fair.) He won the 200-meter sprint record for women in the 35–39 range in 2018, and then the UCI Masters World Track Cycling Championship in the Women’s Sprint. (Not fair.)
This month, he defended his title. From the news last week: “Rachel McKinnon successfully defended her track World Championship title in Manchester,” per Cycling Weekly; “Prominent trans rights campaigner McKinnon has defended her right to compete,” per the BBC; “[McKinnon] found herself defending her title against a critic — the president’s son,” per CBS News; “McKinnon keeps dominating women’s cycling. And she keeps creating controversy all the way,” per the New York Post.
So, what’s this got to do with the culture at large? First, by pretending that McKinnon is not a man, we have allowed him to cheat at sports at the expense of his female competitors. Because McKinnon being a man is directly relevant to the argument that he should not compete against women, in calling him something other than a man, we obfuscate that argument — and all for the sake of a very recently invented set of blasphemy norms (e.g. “misgendering” and “deadnaming”) that don’t apply to us non-believers.
Second, by pretending that McKinnon is not a man — but rather a vulnerable woman — we have forsworn all expectations of accountability and decency. The most egregious example of this, and the precise moment I decided to stop lending McKinnon special courtesies, was when he lauded the terminal illness of a young woman, Magdalen Berns, whom I held (and still hold) in great esteem.
Berns believed strongly that men cannot be women. As she lay on her deathbed in Scotland, at the age of 36, surrounded by her loved ones, McKinnon tweeted that he was “happy” when bad people died, that this feeling is “justified,” that Berns is a “trash human,” and further advised his followers “don’t be the sort of person who people you’ve harmed are happy you’re dying of brain cancer.” By contrast, here is a characteristically civil, clear and courageous quote from Berns: “it’s not hate to defend your rights and it’s not hate to speak the truth.”
Men can be so rude sometimes.
Other women have tried to articulate similar sentiments with regards to McKinnon. Take Jen Wagner-Assali, who, after coming in third to McKinnon at the UCI Masters Track World Championship in 2018, tweeted: “it’s definitely NOT fair.” After being bullied, Wagner apologized to McKinnon for causing offense. But that wasn’t enough, as McKinnon explained. “The apology is not accepted: she still thinks what she said. She merely apologizes for being caught saying it publicly.”
She still thinks it’s not fair for a man to beat her in the women’s category? Just imagine!
McKinnon then lashed out at the tennis star and longtime defender of sexual minorities, Martina Navratilova, who wrote in the Sunday Times of London that to allow men to compete against women was to permit “cheating.” Already, trans athletes had “achieved honours as women that were beyond their capabilities as men,” Navratilova argued, worrying that other women would also be “cowed into silence or submission.” McKinnon called Navratilova a “transphobe,” and demanded that she apologize.
Evidently, it’s not only sportswomen McKinnon has issues with. It’s journalists and women’s-rights campaigners, too. When a spokesperson from Fair Play for Women was invited by the BBC to discuss Navratilova’s comments, McKinnon wrote on Twitter: “I will not participate in a discussion panel that takes them seriously and gives them a platform.” The BBC subsequently disinvited them.
McKinnon was strikingly rude and sneering to Abigail Shrier, a gentle writer for the Wall Street Journal, when she appeared on Fox Nation with him to discuss women’s sports. As well as baselessly calling Shrier a “transphobe,” McKinnon has tweeted that others who disagree with him ought to “die in a grease fire,” a comment which resulted in a temporary suspension from the platform, much to his irritation.
So, can you compromise or appease a tyrant? You can certainly try. In a surprisingly balanced interview with Sky News — in which the interviewer explained that the science shows that even after taking testosterone suppressants, men retain indisputable physiological advantages that are especially pronounced in a sport like track — McKinnon explained why he thinks skeptics like me, who consider the science of sex, are wrong:
I’m legally and medically female. But the people who oppose my existence still want to think of me as male. They use the language that I am a man . . . If you think of trans women as men then you think there’s an unfair advantage.
Of course, nobody is questioning McKinnon’s existence — for how could the continually aggressive presence of such an unpleasant man be denied? What is being disputed is his belief that he is a woman and his sense of entitlement to compete against actual women. But for those who might be more sympathetic, or for those who don’t know quite how much of a thug he is, he makes the classic cartoon-villain mistake: overreach. Those who are not with him entirely, he explains, must be entirely against him:
[Sport] is central to society. So, if you want to say, “I believe you’re a woman for all of society except this massive central part of sport” then that’s not fair. So, fairness is the inclusion of trans women.
As it happens, I do not have an ideological commitment to gender terminology or pronouns one way or another. For struggling, respectful souls, I’m happy to lend special courtesies (in fact, I frequently do). But for cheats and liars, for bullies and tyrants, for those who seek to use my words to propagate deceit and injustice? Oh, just drop it, sir — I’ll never call you “ma’am.”
source: https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/rachel-mckinnon-is-a-cheat-and-a-bully/
Yeahno.
Get an unbiased opinion piece, and not a conservative "I don't like the Trans person" piece.
Also, fuk the author of this article.
Since you don't know, that's not a 'true'.
We all have shyte we have to deal with, some more than others.
Maybe, maybe not, I've learned not to judge people on what's happened to them in their life, unless they use it to prove something or somehow think it makes them special.
Good, so do I, but seeing as that instance is very, very effin' rare...
Doesn't matter how much of the population they make up. They're people deserving the same rights as anyone else. But because of people like you, their rights are always called into question.
Said this where? And irrelevant to who? I assure you that Trans issues are as equal to me as veteran issues, mental health issues and everything else.
Doesn't matter, the Government is there to ensure the minority aren't overrun by the majority (and azzholes).
I don't like Trudeau for a lot of reasons, so I'm hardly a supporter.
You don't like Trans people, fine, that's on you. But you don't have a right to dictate how their lives are led, or whether they are really Trans or not. That's not your effing business. And don't bring up 'but my taxes pay' BS - my taxes pay for your anti-trans ass, so you can pay for a Trans person who just wants to live their lives.
Trans people AREN'T asking for special rights. That's the fallacy of your argument.
You never did answer my question about trans men so when you didn't, I assume you do have issues with all Trans people.
I hate certain types of Christians. The extreme types, the terrorist types, the types that want to tell me what I can and can't do with my body and my life. The types that think they can dictate to others what to do with their lives.
I like Jesus the possible person or idea of him. I hate the Jesus the right wing Christians cling to.
Pretty sure if Jesus couldn't get the irony of the avatar then he really needs to get a life.
You've said Trans people need to use the wrong bathroom - that's telling them how to live their lives.
You've said that Trans people should 'stick to' competing in sports in the gender categories they aren't a part of.
You spread the lie that Trans people are heterosexual men infringing on women's spaces (again, what about Trans men?)
You post up stuff that questions whether a person is Trans when that is not your business.
You think Trans people 'game the system'.
That implies a hell of a lot: that you don't like Trans people and want to dictate how they should live their lives.
You didn't, I did, because that is the standard clapback from anti-trans people that I usually see/hear about how they don't want their taxes to pay for trans medical care or government help for Trans people, which you just said. I was just responding before it became an issue.
Do you realize what she had to go through BEFORE she could fight in MMA?
If it was such a horrible thing, then why didn't Allana say no to the fight? No one forced her to fight Fallon.
Also, what about the KO Fallon got in a fight?
She only fought six fights in her 'career', whose to say she wouldn't lose more later?
It's not a PC movement, it's a just treat Trans people like they're people and the gender they are, not what you think they are.
Considering the study going on right now about Trans athletes in Britain, I think until such studies are concluded, we don't really know what effect Trans people have on their respective sports.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/trans-athletes-performance-transition-research-1.5183432
I also notice your biggest issue, again, is trans women in sports. What about trans guys? Oh right, trans guys have issues in sports because taking the Testosterone they need would be seen as doping by most sport bodies. Unless that's changed you won't see many trans men in sports.
Trans females prisoners shouldn't be put in womens prison until they loose the typically male <appendage>
