Justin, Justin, Justin

[Cobalt_Kid]

I've got some land in Florida if you really believe that. With a nice view of a water treatment plant..

I seem to recall a sovereignty campaign that narrowly missed dividing and quite possibly ending Canada, which is where a lot of the abuses of Chretien Liberals originated.

What is Harper's excuse for treating Parliament and the rest of Canada as the enemy besides wanting to be unaccountable to anyone? There is no sovereignty fight under the conservatives, there is an ongoing fight to keep what little accountability we have left, something some conservative MPs are now joining.

 

[Cannuck]

Clarke has more integrity and substance that Harper ever will,

Judging by Conservative supporters I speak with, integrity is not a high priority.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

One second Cobalt I think I hear that annoying mouse again.. Oh never mind.

I seem to recall a sovereignty campaign that narrowly missed dividing and quite possibly ending Canada, which is where a lot of the abuses of Chretien Liberals originated.

And?????

What is Harper's excuse for treating Parliament and the rest of Canada as the enemy besides wanting to be unaccountable to anyone? There is no sovereignty fight under the conservatives, there is an ongoing fight to keep what little accountability we have left, something some conservative MPs are now joining.

Really? Where are you getting this from?

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

And?????

And the Liberals were fighting to preserve a Canada for Harper to **** up.

Really? Where are you getting this from?

From being here the last seven years.

When one of the first thing the new PM does is go into a riding and decide that the Liberal MP who just got elected should really be a conservative MP you've got to think he has a less than clear idea of what a democracy is supposed to be all about. And what's followed has been steadily downhill from that.

- Misleading and outright dishonest information on the Afghanistan mission that saw the first defense minister resign and a successor bailed out by shutting down Parliament.

- Memos circulated by the conservative government on how to keep Parliament from running effectively.

- In and out campaign financing.

- robocalls.

- Blocking access to information, in a democracy that effectively deprives voters from making informed choices.

And a bunch of other stuff, we've got so used to the undemocratic behaviour of the Harper government that it seems almost normal now here in "Harper" Canada.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

And the Liberals were fighting to preserve a Canada for Harper to **** up.

You mean padding their pockets at the expense of Canadians. I guess you missed that whole ADSCAM thingy huh.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

You mean padding their pockets at the expense of Canadians. I guess you missed that whole ADSCAM thingy huh.

I watched what went on, the PQ was also skimming the provincial books to wage their fight, a lot of what went on was two sides doing their damndest to win the sovereignty battle, what fight again is Harper breaking the rules and perverting the system for?

 

[L Gilbert]

You mean padding their pockets at the expense of Canadians. I guess you missed that whole ADSCAM thingy huh.

...... and a few other shifty tricks, not to mention enabling a massive student debt, killing seniors programs from hell to breaky, dumping almost the entire burden of education and healthcare onto the provinces with scant warning after letting the infrastructure rot.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

I guess I should point out that Justin isn't Chretien, he isn't even his dad, it sounds like he has some good ideas for Canada.

 

[L Gilbert]

I guess I should point out that Justin isn't Chretien, he isn't even his dad, it sounds like he has some good ideas for Canada.

Platforms mean as much as polls do. Remember aPAULing Martin and his Red Book? "Don't talk to me about the Red Book! I wrote it and I know it's full of BS!" (or something to that effect).

 

[CDNBear]

I guess I should point out that Justin isn't Chretien, he isn't even his dad, it sounds like he has some good ideas for Canada.

He does?

So far the only thing that has been put forth that has any validity is that he's just likable.

That really isn't a good idea.

 

[L Gilbert]

He does?

So far the only thing that has been put forth that has any validity is that he's just likable.

That really isn't a good idea.

Wut? You mean when his old man was elected for being a hipster, that wasn't a good idea?

 

[CDNBear]

Wut? You mean when his old man was elected for being a hipster, that wasn't a good idea?

Not really, and we saw full well how that turned out.

 

[Goober]

I guess I should point out that Justin isn't Chretien, he isn't even his dad, it sounds like he has some good ideas for Canada.

What are they? We are familiar with his liking of Dictators- how he is in disagreement that Honor Killings are Barbaric- Perhaps while he is looking for that bill of goods he needs as a platform he can provide the great unwashed with another term, one that is not so offensive as Barbaric when referring to Honor Killing.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Time to put the "foaming at the mouth" crowd back on ignore for a while.

 

[Colpy]

Love this:

A Short History of Backfiring Reporters


Here's Canwest News Service in early 2007, 20 months before the Stephane Dion-led Liberals lost 18 seats and the federal election:

"Negative Tory ads could backfire, say experts."​

Here's The Canadian Press on March 2nd, 2009, before the Conservatives' attack ads against Michael Ignatieff were released:

"Any attempt by the Tories to smear rookie Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff would backfire with recession-ravaged Canadians, Liberals say."​

Canadian Press headline in May, 2009, after the ads were released and two years before the Ignatieff-led Liberals were decimated in the federal election:

"Tory attack ads find audience, but could backfire: poll."​

The Star, June 1, 2009:

"Tory attack ads backfiring..."​

Now, the Justin Trudeau era. An editorial in today's Star --

"Conservative attacks on Justin Trudeau backfire on Harper".​

A CTV report published today, with the byline "CTVNews.ca Staff", begins --

"Attack ads released hours after Justin Trudeau was named leader of the Liberal party, framing the 41-year-old as being "way over his head," may backfire on the governing Conservatives, says one public relations expert."​

Ah yes, the experts. In yesterday's Globe and Mail, in report headlined "Negative ad strategy holds risks for Conservatives, experts say", Gloria Galloway writes:

"Can the ads backfire, and under what circumstances? All three experts said yes..."​

A Short History of Backfiring Reporters - Small Dead Animals

 

[L Gilbert]

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Justin Trudeau: legacy of an ‘empty’ campaign | The Vancouver Observer

If the leadership race has confirmed one thing, it is that Trudeau brings people in. He can make them stop and listen, or draw them into a conversation – and unlike far too many politicians, he can actually hear what they’re saying. More than that, he can inspire people with his vision of Canada and his dedication to make that vision of a better Canada a reality. If this – the ability to bring people in, to draw people to you, to inspire them to be their best and serve with their whole being – is not leadership, then what is?

This is a very important quality, and a distinct change from what we have now.

 

[Zipperfish]

He does?

So far the only thing that has been put forth that has any validity is that he's just likable.

That really isn't a good idea.

And he punched the crap out of that loud-mouth crooked senator. That's gotta count for something. :lol:

 

[CDNBear]

This is a very important quality, and a distinct change from what we have now.

Your quote is a load of crap.

And he punched the crap out of that loud-mouth crooked senator. That's gotta count for something. :lol:

Only if you're an idiot.

 

[L Gilbert]

Justin Trudeau: legacy of an ‘empty’ campaign | The Vancouver Observer



This is a very important quality, and a distinct change from what we have now.

Yeah, Bullroney, ChRETIeN, Applewhite, Koresh, et al were leaders, too.