John Horgan responds to Alberta government's BC wine boycott

Cliffy

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'Science is being ignored': prominent Alberta professor sides with B.C. on pipeline

Ecology professor argues the inter-provincial dispute is about politics, not science

Despite the tough stance from Alberta Premier Rachel Notley about Kinder Morgan Canada's pipeline expansion, a prominent Alberta academic is taking British Columbia's side in the dispute.
David Schindler, professor emeritus of ecology at the University of Alberta, says he thinks B.C.'s concerns about the Trans Mountain pipeline are legitimate.
The issue is one of science and not politics, he argues.
"Somehow, science is being ignored in all this," he told CBC Early EditionhostStephen Quinn. "I think the questions [about spills] are very legitimate."


'Science is being ignored': prominent Alberta professor sides with B.C. on pipeline - British Columbia - CBC News
 

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Pipeline opponents in Quebec and Ontario launch buying campaigns in support of B.C. wines




AND WHY WOULD THEY WANT ALBERTA OIL? THEY GET THEIR OIL FROM SAUDI ARABIA AND VENEZUELA, VIA SUPERTANKER WHICH TRAVELS ACROSS THE OCEAN AND THROUGH THE ST LAWRENCE SEAWAY, THEN THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES. WHY WOULD YOU WANT A PIPELINE WHEN YOU GET IT SHIPPED CHEAPER AND "COUGH COUGH" SAFER THAN ANY OTHER WAY. ESPECIALLY BY PIPELINE.

HEY, ONTARIO AND QUEBEC.
GO "F" YOURSELF, YUH BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES!

 

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cheaper and safer? maybe.

but canadians in those areas are at the risk and mercy of world oil crisises and shortages. If the price or competition for that tanker gets to be too much, canadian may go without heating oil or fuel for the commuter.
the fact that canada doesnt have its own pipeline from coast to coast we can ensure that none of the provinces ever go with out heating oil has completely elluded some of these enviremental self interest groups.
canada is an oil rich country but without a distribution system, not all canadians have access to it.

it is completely baffling how quebec can block pipelines meant for nova scotia. they are essentially saying 'you can freeze in the dark' to nova scotians but this time they are met with great applause.
 

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I don't suppose Horgan is aware of the hypocrisy of his stance? It's ok for him to go against the Constitution but not ok for Notley to go against a trade agreement. No? Huh!
 

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That is stupid even by your standards. Also a big lie.

'Science is being ignored': prominent Alberta professor sides with B.C. on pipeline

Ecology professor argues the inter-provincial dispute is about politics, not science

Despite the tough stance from Alberta Premier Rachel Notley about Kinder Morgan Canada's pipeline expansion, a prominent Alberta academic is taking British Columbia's side in the dispute.
David Schindler, professor emeritus of ecology at the University of Alberta, says he thinks B.C.'s concerns about the Trans Mountain pipeline are legitimate.
The issue is one of science and not politics, he argues.
"Somehow, science is being ignored in all this," he told CBC Early EditionhostStephen Quinn. "I think the questions [about spills] are very legitimate."


'Science is being ignored': prominent Alberta professor sides with B.C. on pipeline - British Columbia - CBC News

From a teacher no less. Has he ever had a real job?
 

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'Science is being ignored': prominent Alberta professor sides with B.C. on pipeline

Ecology professor argues the inter-provincial dispute is about politics, not science

Despite the tough stance from Alberta Premier Rachel Notley about Kinder Morgan Canada's pipeline expansion, a prominent Alberta academic is taking British Columbia's side in the dispute.
David Schindler, professor emeritus of ecology at the University of Alberta, says he thinks B.C.'s concerns about the Trans Mountain pipeline are legitimate.
The issue is one of science and not politics, he argues.
"Somehow, science is being ignored in all this," he told CBC Early EditionhostStephen Quinn. "I think the questions [about spills] are very legitimate."


'Science is being ignored': prominent Alberta professor sides with B.C. on pipeline - British Columbia - CBC News

Yes it is a legitimate concern that is why it has been studied and response plans put into place, same as tanker by rail, barge, ship, or truck
 

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Pipeline opponents in Quebec and Ontario launch buying campaigns in support of B.C. wines




AND WHY WOULD THEY WANT ALBERTA OIL? THEY GET THEIR OIL FROM SAUDI ARABIA AND VENEZUELA, VIA SUPERTANKER WHICH TRAVELS ACROSS THE OCEAN AND THROUGH THE ST LAWRENCE SEAWAY, THEN THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES. WHY WOULD YOU WANT A PIPELINE WHEN YOU GET IT SHIPPED CHEAPER AND "COUGH COUGH" SAFER THAN ANY OTHER WAY. ESPECIALLY BY PIPELINE.

HEY, ONTARIO AND QUEBEC.
GO "F" YOURSELF, YUH BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES!


But they sure do love those transfer payments.. cut those off and see the change in attitude.
 

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cheaper and safer? maybe.

but canadians in those areas are at the risk and mercy of world oil crisises and shortages. If the price or competition for that tanker gets to be too much, canadian may go without heating oil or fuel for the commuter.
the fact that canada doesnt have its own pipeline from coast to coast we can ensure that none of the provinces ever go with out heating oil has completely elluded some of these enviremental self interest groups.
canada is an oil rich country but without a distribution system, not all canadians have access to it.

it is completely baffling how quebec can block pipelines meant for nova scotia. they are essentially saying 'you can freeze in the dark' to nova scotians but this time they are met with great applause.

Agreed that's why Enbridge Line 9 was reversed from Sarnia to deliver to Montreal instead of sending foreign oil to Sarnia
 

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This only about Horgan and Horgan losing his job. Nothing more, nothing less.

Selfish prick.
Getting his strings pulled by The Green Weaver . Isn’t there a song about that somewhere ?
 

petros

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Ha! Good one. I'm glad this is about the environment and not a death throes attempt at avoiding another election.

Last spring I predicted a BC election this June.

I still stand by that.
 

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I don't suppose Horgan is aware of the hypocrisy of his stance? It's ok for him to go against the Constitution but not ok for Notley to go against a trade agreement. No? Huh!

Left Coast logic Dixie.. It makes perfect sense to them

Ha! Good one. I'm glad this is about the environment and not a death throes attempt at avoiding another election.

Last spring I predicted a BC election this June.

I still stand by that.

I expect that Horgan is not long in the position of Premier.

Both he and Notley will be little more than a partial sentence in the respective Province's histories
 

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This only about Horgan and Horgan losing his job. Nothing more, nothing less.

Selfish prick.

Can't happen soon enough.

Ha! Good one. I'm glad this is about the environment and not a death throes attempt at avoiding another election.

Last spring I predicted a BC election this June.

I still stand by that.

If not we start recall in November.
 

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Kinder Morgan and the myth of national interest


https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...amaze-us-vancouver-aquarium-and-retire-whales


“Trudeau’s Choice: jobs or whales” says the Globe and Mail article from November 27. I see it lying there on the coffee shop table and suddenly my blood pressure escalates faster than a Trump twitter battle. It appears that the old media, and perhaps a good many Canadians east of the Rocky Mountains, profoundly misunderstand British Columbia and its opposition to Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain Pipeline. Perhaps they also underestimate just how serious we are in that opposition. We will not let this project happen, period.
In the months and years ahead, the federal government and the multinational oil companies will learn just how vigorously and passionately British Columbians will defend our shared interests, as we stand together on the right side of history, though we may be cast as standing on the wrong side of "national interest".

https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...amaze-us-vancouver-aquarium-and-retire-whales


“Trudeau’s Choice: jobs or whales” says the Globe and Mail article from November 27. I see it lying there on the coffee shop table and suddenly my blood pressure escalates faster than a Trump twitter battle. It appears that the old media, and perhaps a good many Canadians east of the Rocky Mountains, profoundly misunderstand British Columbia and its opposition to Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain Pipeline. Perhaps they also underestimate just how serious we are in that opposition. We will not let this project happen, period.
In the months and years ahead, the federal government and the multinational oil companies will learn just how vigorously and passionately British Columbians will defend our shared interests, as we stand together on the right side of history, though we may be cast as standing on the wrong side of "national interest".


I want to unpack this term for a moment, the national interest, as it was a cornerstone of the pro-pipeline argument put forward by the NEB and Alberta's political elite.
Riddle me this. How is a multinational corporation, headquartered in Houston Texas and transporting diluted tar to China, in Canada’s national interest? If you answer me that it’s “Alberta oil” I refer you to decades of Canadian energy companies being acquired by foreign corporations from Abu Dhabi, Thailand, Norway, Malaysia, even a $15 billion dollar takeover by the Chinese state-owned CNOOC recently.
In this era of neoliberalization it is absurd to make an argument that this project is in the national interest. It’s bordering on Orwellian double-speak, another one of those phantoms of decades past that somehow makes its way into today's debates. But perhaps that's fitting, as by siding with a sunset industry Alberta's politicians and the Prime Minister have signaled that they are living in the past.
Calgary's Mayor Nenshi even attempted to shame and rebuke British Columbians recently by evoking our province joining confederation with the promise of being a gateway to the Pacific for the rest of the country. To that, let me just say it’s not the 1800s anymore.
When that deal was made to dispossess Indigenous people of their lands and resources on behalf of a European Royal Family and investors in Ontario, the ocean was not acidifying beyond the point of ecological habitability, and average monthly and yearly temperatures weren’t inching towards levels unseen since before human civilization.
Interestingly enough, when Mr. Trudeau's father was Prime Minister, discussion of nationalizing (a portion of) the industry, like Norway did to build the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund, led to political hysteria that to this day has continued to enable western alienation and prairie populism to shape Canadian federal politics. Albertans were threatening to leave confederation over it.



http://www.nationalobserver.com/2016/12/02/opinion/kinder-morgan-and-myth-national-interest