Jim Flaherty is a misleading and despicable hypocrite, likely evil.

[taxslave]

Don't concede he's evil, fine. If he's not even, then he's a completely moron who is apparently ignorant of the situation of the government he happens to be functioning in. I find it more likely that this is malicious opportunism to help get ideological buddies in power.

I think he's smarter than that. This is a move that follows the narrative of Canadians are best off misinformed to the Conservatives.

Evil as compared to WHO? Mother Teresa perhaps but certainly not when compared to anyone the opposition has.

BTW he is right Ontario can not afford more McGinty.

Uh huh, and the people of BC preferred campbell and his band of crooks to begin with too. Just took them a while to finally open their eyes. Eventually Canadians will see harper and his stooges for what they are.

We still prefer the B.C. Liberals as compared to what either opposition party has to offer.

Of course spending would increase in a global economic crisis.

I am probably the only one to think this but Mulroney, Chretien and Harper have all done outstanding jobs with fiscal management. We should thank our lucky stars we're in the position we're in now. It's no accident that we look pretty good in the eyes of most other countries.

Some truth in that even though I dislike Cretin. Don't have a lot of use for the other two either but at least they can speak English.

 

[Colpy]

Disgustingly dismissive, CDNbear and Colpy. It's not as if the substance of the post is opinion. The substance of the post is Flaherty is a hypocrite who is ignoring - intentionally - his own current history in his government.

And you are completely ignoring the fact that the deficit was created on the demand of, and with full participation of the Liberal Party, the Bloc, and the NDP.

So who is the hypocrite??

 

[taxslave]

You're right, what you underlined doesn't make sense. I didn't mean to say stupid equals evil, or stupid people are evil. That would be silly, of course.

What I meant, but didn't get across clearly or correctly, is that evil typically requires stupidity. When it comes to malicious, stupidity likely goes hand in hand with it.

I erred, so I hope this clears things up.

That would be wrong. Generally real evil requires a lot of smarts as does malicious.
Stupidity would be voting for a socialist .

 

[Tonington]

So who is the hypocrite??

Any Finance Minister that has presided over an unprecedented deficit, and concurrently says others can't be trusted for doing the same.

 

[Goober]

Any Finance Minister that has presided over an unprecedented deficit, and concurrently says others can't be trusted for doing the same.

Party leaders /policies change - The people did not believe Stephan nor did they trust Michael -

 

[shadowshiv]

Link: Flaherty says Ontario can't afford more McGuinty | News | Ontario Votes | More | Toronto Sun

Jim Flaherty denounces the McGuinty Liberals for increased spending and increased debt, yet he shares very much the same situation, but worse. He's a despicable hypocrite who will say what he will to further push the conservatives into success.

Under the Federal Conservatives, the debt has reached record levels: Deficit hits record $55.6B, Flaherty says - Business - CBC News . As stated by Jim Flaherty himself, why hasn't he promptly resigned, as the same criteria for why McGuinty should go, he falls under?

Tory spending hardly conservative | Canada | News | Toronto Sun Yes, that's right, under the Conservatives, spending has actually increased.

The Liberals and Conservatives actually have a lot in common. I mean, the HST was the result of an agreement between the Feds and Ontario, but these things should be disregarded. The Conservatives don't want you to be informed, because being informed would draw you to the natural logical conclusion that they're malicious liars. They don't want you to care too much. Facts can largely be anathema to them.

People like Clifford Olson are evil. Jim Flaherty is no Clifford Olson.

 

[mentalfloss]

Out of all the conservatives I actually like Jim the most. He's the only one (up until now) that seemed pretty level headed and bipartisan. I agree with argument that his claim is in some sense, hypocritical, however it is a bit a goal post shifting to take his premise and make a comparison to his own resume.

The truth about McGuinty is that, yes, he's made some irresponsible expenditures. However, it would disingenuous to deny that he had to pick up a lot of what Harris dropped off, Alberta's prosperity has made Ontario's manufacturing sector falter (the Dutch Disease effect), and the economic hit we took in 2008. A better hypocrisy to point out, imo, would be that many Canadians partisanly excuse Conservatives for the federal deficit because of the economy, but don't acknowledge that same influence on Ontario's provincial deficit.

Either way, if we're going to strip away the flavouring of evil, etc., it should be safe to say that Jim needs to clarify his stance by pointing to clear evidence of Mcguinty's failures without the sensational bits. I suspect this was just something Harper asked him to do to prop up Hudak.

 

[Colpy]

clarify his stance by pointing to clear evidence of Mcguinty's failures without the sensational bits. I suspect this was just something Harper asked him to do to prop up Hudak.

Here you go.

http://www.tdsb.on.ca/wwwdocuments/programs/Equity_in_Education/docs/Challenging%20Homophobia%20and%20Heterosexism%20Final%202011.pdf

For this alone I would vote for the idiot Hudak.

K-12???????????????????????

 

[mentalfloss]

Thank you Colpy.

 

[Nationhood]

Out of all the conservatives I actually like Jim the most. He's the only one (up until now) that seemed pretty level headed and bipartisan. I agree with argument that his claim is in some sense, hypocritical, however it is a bit a goal post shifting to take his premise and make a comparison to his own resume.

The truth about McGuinty is that, yes, he's made some irresponsible expenditures. However, it would disingenuous to deny that he had to pick up a lot of what Harris dropped off, Alberta's prosperity has made Ontario's manufacturing sector falter (the Dutch Disease effect), and the economic hit we took in 2008. A better hypocrisy to point out, imo, would be that many Canadians partisanly excuse Conservatives for the federal deficit because of the economy, but don't acknowledge that same influence on Ontario's provincial deficit.

Either way, if we're going to strip away the flavouring of evil, etc., it should be safe to say that Jim needs to clarify his stance by pointing to clear evidence of Mcguinty's failures without the sensational bits. I suspect this was just something Harper asked him to do to prop up Hudak.

I'm glad you at least partially understand the hypocrisy, but it seems your favouring of Jim inhibits your critical thinking a bit.

Goal-shifting, no. That's just called looking at what Jim said, and looking at what Jim has done. Denouncing someone for incurring a large debt, and for increased spending, while incurring a large debt and increasing spending (or promoting the idea that spending should be increased).

You have too much faith in Flaherty. I just finished watching an interview of him saying that increasing spending on a federal level is the way for the government to go, then backing up his denouncement of McGuinity for not being fiscal and conservative enough. I would love clarification, too, but I think that's too in-conflict with the agenda the Conservatives have. Not realistic with their preference for a misinfomred population.

A better hypocrisy to point out, imo, would be that many Canadians partisanly excuse Conservatives for the federal deficit because of the economy, but don't acknowledge that same influence on Ontario's provincial deficit.

Which Flaherty happens to be exacerbating this bit of cognizant dissonance. On purpose, and you and me both know this to be true.

 

[Kreskin]

If McGuinty wants to spend his way out he could buy some fast ferries. Create some shipbuilding jobs in Sudbury.

 

[Nationhood]

I can't believe I forgot to mention this. If you haven't already concluded that Flaherty is a massive partisan fool (incompetent or a liar; perhaps both), then maybe his assertion that Canada would not get a deficit on his watch will help you to that conclusion.

 

[Kreskin]

Flaherty is a cool dude.

 

[Goober]

I can't believe I forgot to mention this. If you haven't already concluded that Flaherty is a massive partisan fool (incompetent or a liar; perhaps both), then maybe his assertion that Canada would not get a deficit on his watch will help you to that conclusion.

He didn't - he and all parties wanted spending - No one was going to let the Auto Industry sink - think about it.
And it was not on his watch. They all got together and it was on our dime.

Do you listen to the news - 1st day back in Parliament - The opposition parties are screaming for more spending.

Give me a break with the BS.

Shxt happens - what a Govt said would not happen - well economic situations change -

 

[CDNBear]

The distinction you make between the context of increased spending federally and provincially is valid.

Of course it is, it's why I made it.

But

There are no buts.

Then he goes and criticizes McGuinty for spending during a recession, even though he's simultaneously proud that the Federal government is spending more, too. He also criticizes McGuinty for incurring a deficit, even though his government has done the exact same. To not see this as obviously hypocrisy is quite foolish.

Not at all. Most of the spending done in Ontario, that is creating work, is from the Feds.

Yet McGuinty is taking the credit.

Can you tell me where all the money went?

Except you didn't challenge any of the facts I presented. You challenged an imaginary conflict. I'll reiterate: you're not contesting any point I've made.

Except your imaginary hypocrisy. No matter how fast you think you can move the goal posts.

Any Finance Minister that has presided over an unprecedented deficit, and concurrently says others can't be trusted for doing the same.

The truth about McGuinty is that, yes, he's made some irresponsible expenditures.

Wait for it...

Wait for it...

Here it comes...

The caveat it...

However, it would disingenuous to deny that he had to pick up a lot of what Harris dropped off...

There it is. And of course Harris inherited a spic and span province in the black from the NDP...

A better hypocrisy to point out, imo, would be that many Canadians partisanly excuse Conservatives for the federal deficit because of the economy, but don't acknowledge that same influence on Ontario's provincial deficit.

Who's excusing them?

Either way, if we're going to strip away the flavouring of evil, etc., it should be safe to say that Jim needs to clarify his stance by pointing to clear evidence of Mcguinty's failures without the sensational bits.

You don't think Jim knows that "he's made some irresponsible expenditures".

I suspect this was just something Harper asked him to do to prop up Hudak.

You suspect? I bet ya that's exactly what happened.

I can't believe I forgot to mention this. If you haven't already concluded that Flaherty is a massive partisan fool (incompetent or a liar; perhaps both), then maybe his assertion that Canada would not get a deficit on his watch will help you to that conclusion.

Is Jimmy a politician?

 

[Kreskin]

If the separatist coalition had formed God knows how screwed up our finances would be now.

What has Flaherty and the Conservatives done wrong with finances? Lay it out for discussion.

 

[damngrumpy]

Harper financially saved us from nothing. Notice the words world wide recession
are creeping into the language? Federal Conservatives should not speak of the
Ontario Provincial Liberals. After all the Federal Tories have created more debt
than any other government in the shortest amount of time.
Harper will eventually go down as the worst Prime Minister, surpassing Lyin'
Brian. All the work Paul Martin did to reduce the debt and deficit has been wiped
out by this little group in Ottawa.
Wouldn't surprise me though to see the Ontario Conservatives retake that Province
the people there have learned to suffer enough yet.

 

[Kreskin]

Paul Martin wiped out debt thanks to Brian Mulroney and the GST.

 

[CDNBear]

Paul Martin wiped out debt thanks to Brian Mulroney and the GST.

More like on the back of EI revenues.

 

[Kreskin]

More like on the back of EI revenues.

Ya, that too.