Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
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I read your links Goober. Healthy 30 year olds, even with high cholesterol problems rarely suffer fatal heart attacks. Besides, the only people who made that claim about Jaradat were the people who tortured him to death. Jaradat's heart and arteries were examined during the autopsy and every one present (Israelis and Palestinians) agreed he had a healthy heart. Let me make it clearer, Jaradat's autopsy ruled out heart attack as Jaradat's cause of death.
They already conducted an autopsy, the report will be released in two weeks.
There is a police investigation underway as well.
I find it funny that Aloul has been the one quoted as saying there were signs of torture, but if you follow the sources (Something the objective and critically thinking do) to the original story, it was not Aloul the Palestinian pathologist, but the PA Minister of Detainee Affairs, Issa Qaraqe is the one that has made all the erroneous and unsubstantiated claims that EAO has posted as facts, lol.
I highly suspect that when the official autopsy is released, we'll see Aloul's signature on that document as a witness, and that would be why he really has said nothing.
I'm sure keeping his standing in the medical community is far more important that making things up to smear the Jews.
That's best left to people like EAO.
Here's a little teaser for EAO... The PA autopsy report issued yesterday (Sunday)...
Yep, but it also said the cause of death was inconclusive and microscopic and toxicological test had to be conducted.
Something anyone capable of objectivity and critical thought would have caught and found odd when all the other claims were made, lol.
But hey, you just have to spread that hate for Jews, who cares about the facts eh, lol.
Do some research on your own. You would be surprised.Quick medical care is critical- and yes heart attacks are in the 20 plus age group rising in the Mid East- Guess you are being selective once again.
Also CPR can beak ribs- it is completely normal for ribs to break. You would be aware of that if you had taken a Red Cross First Aid course.
So once again I
Now I will have a beer and
From the news feed...
Abbas told members of the PLO Executive Committee during a meeting in Ramallah that a Palestinian forensic expert had already determined that Jaradat died as a realist of torture.
So it's gone from the Israeli autopsy to the final autopsy to an anonymous Palestinian forensic expert.
Anyone capable of a minimum amount of critical thought would be asking some serious questions now.
I've been asking them since the story broke and I found inconsistencies in the original story EAO posted as fact.
While EAO hasn't asked any questions at all.
That pretty much puts to rest the great debate about EAO's ability to think critically, lol.
Abbas told members of the PLO Executive Committee during a meeting in Ramallah that a Palestinian forensic expert had already determined that Jaradat died as a realist of torture.
So it's gone from the Israeli autopsy to the final autopsy to an anonymous Palestinian forensic expert.
Anyone capable of a minimum amount of critical thought would be asking some serious questions now.
I've been asking them since the story broke and I found inconsistencies in the original story EAO posted as fact.
While EAO hasn't asked any questions at all.
That pretty much puts to rest the great debate about EAO's ability to think critically, lol.
It's not guessing anymore Goob's. It's fact now.
I never heard of CPR resulting in broken bones in the neck, arms and legs...
"the autopsy clearly proved that the victim’s heart was healthy, which disproves the initial alleged account presented by occupation authorities that he died of a heart attack.”
"the autopsy clearly proved that the victim’s heart was healthy, which disproves the initial alleged account presented by occupation authorities that he died of a heart attack.”
Unsupported claim.....too much to ask for a link???
Maybe I shouldn't ask since it's probably "global research" your favorite bullshyte rag....:roll:
Ma'an News Agency (Palestinian Source)
Minister: Autopsy shows torture killed Jaradat | Maan News Agency
The Israeli doctors only reported injuries which could be explained by attempts to revive Jaradat.
The Palestinian doctors also saw injuries consistent with a severe beating (6 broken bones in the neck, back, arms and legs, black eyes, fat lips, multiple soft tissue injuries in the chest and back). They also invited any doctor who didn't believe them to come and examine the body for themselves.
Minister: Autopsy shows torture killed Jaradat | Maan News Agency
The Israeli doctors only reported injuries which could be explained by attempts to revive Jaradat.
The Palestinian doctors also saw injuries consistent with a severe beating (6 broken bones in the neck, back, arms and legs, black eyes, fat lips, multiple soft tissue injuries in the chest and back). They also invited any doctor who didn't believe them to come and examine the body for themselves.
No need to go further.....
Your usual source.....did he perform the autopsy?......who did.?
Lies repeated often enough become the truth......
ANd where is the report of the palestinian doctor.....not rumours of what he supposedly said.
You are worst than a 9/11 conspirator....
Edit: just googled your original statement.....I was right....the top one was "Global research" which shows that all your other sources got it from there...
Both Palestinian and Israeli doctors were present during the autopsy. I'm sure they recorded the autopsy and the Palestinian doctors should have images proving their claims.
The UN and PA have demanded an independent investigation. Israeli authorities have refused.
The UN and PA have demanded an independent investigation. Israeli authorities have refused.
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I have come to the realization that I and others are playing right into your propaganda bullshyte by trying to discuss anything with you...It's like talking to a brick wall with blinders and it just pushes you to post and re-post rumours and copy and paste more bullshyte to keep your twisted agenda at the top of search engines list......seems like you thrive on ridicule .....so that is all you will get from now on...
Let's recap what's known:
Jaradat was a healthy 29 year old man when he was abducted/arrested by Israeli authorizes on February 18. (He turned 30 while in Israeli custody)
On Feb. 22, Jaradat was in an Israeli court where his lawyer who made this statement:
"I saw Jaradat sitting on a wooden chair in front of the judge. His back was hunched and he looked sick and fragile. When I sat next to him he told me that he had serious pains in his back and other parts of his body because he was being beaten up and hanged for many long hours while he was being investigated"
Arafat Jaradat died on February 23 (the next day). Israeli authorities at the prison claimed Jaradat died of a heart attack.
An Israel pathologist performed an autopsy on Jaradat's body on February 24 at the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute in the presence of a Palestinian pathologist, several family members and a legal team from the Palestinian Authority's Prisoner Affairs office.
The Israeli pathologist in charge of the autopsy reported no evidence supporting claims Jaradat died of a heart attack. They only reported minor injuries (two broken ribs and bruising) which could be consistent with attempts to revive Jaradat.
The Palestinian pathologist claims he also saw no evidence Jaradat died of a heart attack. However he claimed he saw injuries consistent with a severe beating. (six broken bones in Jaradat's neck, spine, arms and legs. Severe bruises on the back, chest, face and inside the mouth)
The UN and the Palestinian Authority have asked for an independent inquiry into the Jaradat's death. Israel has refused so far.
BTW, in 2000, a declassified official Israeli report acknowledged the Israeli security service tortured detainees during the Palestinian uprising, the Intifada, between 1988 and 1992.
BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Israel admits torture
Amnesty International and other human rights groups have consistently reported that Israelis tortures and abuses Palestinians during interrogation.
Jaradat was a healthy 29 year old man when he was abducted/arrested by Israeli authorizes on February 18. (He turned 30 while in Israeli custody)
On Feb. 22, Jaradat was in an Israeli court where his lawyer who made this statement:
"I saw Jaradat sitting on a wooden chair in front of the judge. His back was hunched and he looked sick and fragile. When I sat next to him he told me that he had serious pains in his back and other parts of his body because he was being beaten up and hanged for many long hours while he was being investigated"
Arafat Jaradat died on February 23 (the next day). Israeli authorities at the prison claimed Jaradat died of a heart attack.
An Israel pathologist performed an autopsy on Jaradat's body on February 24 at the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute in the presence of a Palestinian pathologist, several family members and a legal team from the Palestinian Authority's Prisoner Affairs office.
The Israeli pathologist in charge of the autopsy reported no evidence supporting claims Jaradat died of a heart attack. They only reported minor injuries (two broken ribs and bruising) which could be consistent with attempts to revive Jaradat.
The Palestinian pathologist claims he also saw no evidence Jaradat died of a heart attack. However he claimed he saw injuries consistent with a severe beating. (six broken bones in Jaradat's neck, spine, arms and legs. Severe bruises on the back, chest, face and inside the mouth)
The UN and the Palestinian Authority have asked for an independent inquiry into the Jaradat's death. Israel has refused so far.
BTW, in 2000, a declassified official Israeli report acknowledged the Israeli security service tortured detainees during the Palestinian uprising, the Intifada, between 1988 and 1992.
BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Israel admits torture
Amnesty International and other human rights groups have consistently reported that Israelis tortures and abuses Palestinians during interrogation.
I recall Israel stating from the outset they also wanted an independent review. And this was before the Palestinians asked for it. Do you have a link where Israel denied this?
Anything tangible would have been posted by the Palestinian patologist by now...hell ....copies would have been sent all over the world wouldn't you think???
And the Guy from the UN is as Anti Semitic as you can get. He is well known for that.
Neither have I.
But I've never heard of one autopsy being called "the final autopsy".
Statements like that make my critical thought ask questions.
You know what's funny?
Heart attacks can be brought on by things like extreme stress, you know, like torture.
If he was tortured to death, a heart attack would be a likely cause, lol.
No, he has the lies provided by Qaraqe.
Yes they did, the press release also says there were no other signs of trauma.
here it is...
This afternoon (Sunday, 24 February 2013), at the National Center for Forensic Medicine, an autopsy was performed on the body of Arafat Jaradat by Prof. Yehuda Hiss, in the presence of Prof. Arnon Afek, Director of the Health Administration at the Ministry of Health, and Palestinian pathologist Dr. Saber Aloul. During the autopsy, no signs of external trauma were found apart from those pertaining to resuscitation [attempts] and a small graze on the right side of his chest. No evidence of disease was found during the autopsy. Two internal hemorrhages were detected, one on the shoulder and one on the right side of the chest. Two ribs were broken, which may indicate resuscitation attempts. The initial findings cannot determine the cause of death. At this stage, until microscopic and toxicology reports are in, the cause of death cannot be tied to the autopsy findings.”
What Palestinian Doctor was that? It certainly wasn't Aloul.
There are no quotes in the media from Aloul, the Palestinian pathologist at the autopsy. Only claims made by Qaraqe.
After PA authorities mutilated the body so people like you would spread lies and hatred for them?
Not that it matters, he's been buried now.
LMAO!!!
Should have?
Where are they?
In the final autopsy?
Have you got a copy of this mysterious final autopsy?
Or are you going simply on what the PA Ministry of Pallywood has fed you?
Face it EAO, you got caught pushing lies and Nazi-esque demonizing propaganda.
You're the type of person that made the Crystal Night a possibility.
Israel will weigh incorporating a foreign official in the examination of the autopsy results of Arafat Jaradat, found dead at Megiddo Prison on Saturday, Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch said on the Knesset floor on Wednesday.
Responding to questioning from MK Jamal Zahalka (Balad) about what he said were open-ended questions regarding Jaradat’s death, Aharonovitch said that “all of the material found will be passed to the investigating judge. We may incorporate an international official in order to refute the rumors being published.”
Good idea, that way we can make fun of the morons perpetuating the Nazi-esque propaganda and the useful idiots that spread it. When the facts show them to be exactly what we already know they are.
“An autopsy was performed by Prof. [Yehuda] Hiss in the presence of Palestinian pathologist Dr. Saber al-Alul and Prof. [Arnon] Afek from the Health Ministry’s Medical Administration,” Aharonovitch said. “At this time it is not possible to determine the cause of death. The Institute [of Forensic Medicine] is awaiting the results of the autopsy.”
Geez, Israel must be lagging in forensic technology and studies, since Palestine managed to come up with a cause of death in less than a day.
The public security minister said that all suspicions surrounding the death are being examined and that in the coming days the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute will release their full report on the cause of death, at which point the picture will become clearer.
Only to those that can use critical thought and remain objective.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said on Tuesday that a Palestinian forensics expert had already ruled that the cause of death was torture.
There you have it, the final Palestinian autopsy came to its predetermined conclusion, in less than 24hrs and the terrorist lovers sucked it up and ran with it.
Funny how the same terrorist lovers fully believe that Abbas and his regime are corrupt, untrustworthy and illegitimate, until their propaganda is deemed to demonizing to Israel, to ignore, lol.
Quotes courtesy of the JPost
Responding to questioning from MK Jamal Zahalka (Balad) about what he said were open-ended questions regarding Jaradat’s death, Aharonovitch said that “all of the material found will be passed to the investigating judge. We may incorporate an international official in order to refute the rumors being published.”
Good idea, that way we can make fun of the morons perpetuating the Nazi-esque propaganda and the useful idiots that spread it. When the facts show them to be exactly what we already know they are.
“An autopsy was performed by Prof. [Yehuda] Hiss in the presence of Palestinian pathologist Dr. Saber al-Alul and Prof. [Arnon] Afek from the Health Ministry’s Medical Administration,” Aharonovitch said. “At this time it is not possible to determine the cause of death. The Institute [of Forensic Medicine] is awaiting the results of the autopsy.”
Geez, Israel must be lagging in forensic technology and studies, since Palestine managed to come up with a cause of death in less than a day.
The public security minister said that all suspicions surrounding the death are being examined and that in the coming days the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute will release their full report on the cause of death, at which point the picture will become clearer.
Only to those that can use critical thought and remain objective.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said on Tuesday that a Palestinian forensics expert had already ruled that the cause of death was torture.
There you have it, the final Palestinian autopsy came to its predetermined conclusion, in less than 24hrs and the terrorist lovers sucked it up and ran with it.
Funny how the same terrorist lovers fully believe that Abbas and his regime are corrupt, untrustworthy and illegitimate, until their propaganda is deemed to demonizing to Israel, to ignore, lol.
Quotes courtesy of the JPost
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