Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

[earth_as_one]

I find Holocaust Denial objectionable too. That was 70 years ago and the Zionists still use that atrocity as cover for their ongoing war crimes. Its been 65 years of ethnic cleansing now... and Palestinian families continue to be tossed out of their homes and onto the streets never mind all the other related death and destruction... Which Canada continues to unshakably support...

Operation Cast Lead:

Following Israel’s Operation Cast Lead, the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) documented the toll on Gaza’s children and published it in May. It did so “in response to the unprecedented number of children who were killed (and injured) by (the Israeli Defense Forces) during the offensive on Gaza.” According to international standards, the Convention on the Rights of the Child’s (CRC) definition was used to apply to anyone under age 18.

PCHR reviewed IDF killing of Gaza’s children since the beginning of the Second Intifada in September 2000, then focused on the 313 youth deaths during the recent conflict. Its evidence comes from eye-witness accounts of the willful targeting of civilians, including women and children. Also covered are the psychological scars and “alarming scale of physical injuries” leaving some children blind and many others (as well as adults) permanently disabled by the loss of limbs and psychological trauma.

PCHR’s report bears testimony to Israel’s contempt for international laws, its imperial agenda, culture of violence, disdain for peace, genocidal intentions, disparagement of Arabs and Islam, and its scorn for Palestinian lives and welfare.

PCHR presented 13 case studies in its report. Briefly discussed below, they represent a small fraction of the many hundreds killed and thousands more grievously harmed...
Israeli War Crimes Against Children During Operation Cast Lead | Global Research

Unlike the Canadian government and many here on this forum, I don't defend war criminals or support war crimes:

Israel has violated innumerable UN resolutions and international laws over the past 50 years without any sanction being incurred – whether legal, economic, political or military. Most blatant is its disregard for the overwhelming opinion of the international court of justice in The Hague, which in 2004 declared the erection of a wall through the occupied territories to be unlawful. If you add the illegal occupation of Palestinian territory, continued extension of illegal settlements, forced evictions and house demolitions, requisition of water resources, Gaza blockade and illicit use of cloned passports to facilitate an assassination outside Israel, anyone might be think that this is a state that regards itself as above the law.
Sleep easy, war criminals | Michael Mansfield | Comment is free | The Guardian

If someone makes a post defending Palestinian war criminals or supporting Palestinian war crimes, I'll shoot that down too.

 

[Goober]

I find Holocaust Denial objectionable too. That was 70 years ago and the Zionists still use that atrocity as cover for their ongoing war crimes. Its been 65 years of ethnic cleansing now... and Palestinian families continue to be tossed out of their homes and onto the streets never mind all the other related death and destruction... Which Canada continues to unshakably support...

The above statement is only your personal and clearly biased opinion.
Arab countries after the UN Partition and before Israel declared Independence stated, unequivocally and repeatedly that if Israel did declare Independence the State of Israel and its inhabitants would be destroyed. That would have resulted in another Genocide where the world stood by.

 

[gerryh]

The commision didnt absolve israel .

 

[Goober]

The commision didnt absolve israel .

I agree War Crimes were committed.

 

[darkbeaver]

The above statement is only your personal and clearly biased opinion.
Arab countries after the UN Partition and before Israel declared Independence stated, unequivocally and repeatedly that if Israel did declare Independence the State of Israel and its inhabitants would be destroyed. That would have resulted in another Genocide where the world stood by.

It's always been really insane to argue Israels case from a UN perspective hasn't it. Did the world stand by or did the world make whatever happened happen. It depends on who you think controls the world I suppose? Israel never would have happened unless the standing by was carefully orchestrated or divinely ordained. Lucky Israel I guess. Nobody lifted a finger, did they?

 

[CDNBear]

Established by the Israeli government to investigate Israeli wrong doing.... You don't see an inherent bias here????

Nope.

Especially when I use your logic.

Do you support all alleged criminals investigating themselves to determine their guilt/innocence or just Israeli criminals.

Oh that was awesome! You just labeled the whole of Israel as criminal again!!! LMAO!!! (BTW, I bookmarked that one for the next time you claim that you don't claim all Israeli's or all of Israel are war criminals, lol).

Why can't I? You support the mere allegations of anyone that claims to be a victim of Israeli war crimes, even when the evidence doesn't support them, lol.

By the way, no one remembers this genocidal event. No one talks about the piles of burned babies or the corpses of raped/murdered women/girls. No movies with sad music, no claims of never again, no museums, not even a monument...

Not everyone is into creating drama like you.

And you're still a liar.

Here's your quote...

An Israeli inquiry into an Israeli war crime absolved Israelis of responsibility. Was any other outcome possible?

That's the lie.

I'm sure you knew/know why, but chose to ignore that, because you are incapable of honest discussion on this subject.

If someone makes a post defending Palestinian war criminals or supporting Palestinian war crimes, I'll shoot that down too.

I doubt we'll ever see you attack your own posts.

Here's an example of you defending war crimes and criminals...

CDNBear: Hamas stole food aid from aid convoys.

EAO: But they eventually gave it back.

The commission didn't absolve israel .

Or all Israeli's either.

 

[earth_as_one]

A government commandeering supplies during an emergency is NOT necessarily a war crime. In this case, it was just poor judgement.. The elected Palestinian government (Hamas) gave the supplies back when relief agencies threatened to shut down operations. I agree with the relief agencies and oppose Hamas's decision to commandeer aid convoys... but their actions were not crime against humanity or war crime. Hamas wasn't blocking aid from reaching Gazans, just trying to control how it is distributed.

In comparison, Israel blocks aid from reaching Gaza... which is a crime against humanity.

 

[Goober]

A government commandeering supplies during an emergency is NOT a war crime. In this case, it was just poor judgement.. The elected Palestinian government (Hamas) gave the supplies back when relief agencies threatened to shut down operations. I agree with the relief agencies and oppose Hamas's decision to commandeer aid convoys... but their actions were not crime against humanity or war crime. Hamas wasn't blocking aid from reaching Gazans, just trying to control how it is distributed.

In comparison, Israel blocks aid from reaching Gaza... which is a crime against humanity.

So they were forced to return the supplies taken illegally.
And is Hamas the Legal Govt?

 

[earth_as_one]

Illegally? Which law did they break? Even in Canada, the elected government can declare a state of emergency and control the distribution of essential supplies like food and water.

BTW, Hamas did win the last election with a clear majority:

On January 25, 2006, elections were held for the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA). Notwithstanding the 2005 municipal elections and the January 9, 2005 presidential election, this was the first election to the PLC since 1996; subsequent elections had been repeatedly postponed due to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Palestinian voters in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank including East Jerusalem were eligible to participate in the election.

Final results show that Hamas won the election, with 74 seats to the ruling-Fatah's 45, providing Hamas with the majority of the 132 available seats and the ability to form a majority government on their own.
Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US (and Israel)supported Fatah's illegal refusal to hand over power with arms triggering a civil war:

The Gaza Bombshell
After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.
The Gaza Bombshell | Vanity Fair

...Israel, too, is making overtures to Mr. Abbas, reported the Israeli newspaper Haaretz on Wednesday, allowing light arms to flow to members of his Presidential Guard and saying that it would allow some of the US training of his forces to take place in the West Bank. That policy puts the US and Israel on a highly unusual course in the history of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: Four-square support for Fatah to contain, if not defeat, the growing power of Hamas, which won the Palestinian Authority's (PA) last election....
Israel, US, and Egypt back Fatah's fight against Hamas / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

 

[lone wolf]

What emergency? Mayhem and murder are every day occurrences in the Muddled East.

 

[Goober]

Illegally? Which law did they break? Even in Canada, the elected government can declare a state of emergency and control the distribution of essential supplies like food and water.

BTW, Hamas did win the last election with a clear majority:

On January 25, 2006, elections were held for the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA). Notwithstanding the 2005 municipal elections and the January 9, 2005 presidential election, this was the first election to the PLC since 1996; subsequent elections had been repeatedly postponed due to the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Palestinian voters in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank including East Jerusalem were eligible to participate in the election.

Final results show that Hamas won the election, with 74 seats to the ruling-Fatah's 45, providing Hamas with the majority of the 132 available seats and the ability to form a majority government on their own.
Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US (and Israel)supported Fatah's illegal refusal to hand over power with arms triggering a civil war:

The Gaza Bombshell
After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.
The Gaza Bombshell | Vanity Fair

...Israel, too, is making overtures to Mr. Abbas, reported the Israeli newspaper Haaretz on Wednesday, allowing light arms to flow to members of his Presidential Guard and saying that it would allow some of the US training of his forces to take place in the West Bank. That policy puts the US and Israel on a highly unusual course in the history of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: Four-square support for Fatah to contain, if not defeat, the growing power of Hamas, which won the Palestinian Authority's (PA) last election....
Israel, US, and Egypt back Fatah's fight against Hamas / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

Oh yes- Then they purged Fatah from Gaza-

 

[CDNBear]

A government commandeering supplies during an emergency is NOT necessarily a war crime.

There you go defending war criminals again, lol.

In this case, it was just poor judgement..

In comparison, Israel blocks aid from reaching Gaza...

No they don't.

That's lie number 2, on this page alone.

I'm still waiting to see you correct your lie about the Kahn Commission.

Here it is again...

An Israeli inquiry into an Israeli war crime absolved Israelis of responsibility. Was any other outcome possible?

Care to correct that? Or shall I embarrass you, yet again, by pointing out your lie?

 

[earth_as_one]

No one was ever held accountable for this massacre which happened 30 years ago last week.

Survivors recount Sabra-Shatila massacre - Features - Al Jazeera English

Munir’s Story » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[CDNBear]

No one was ever held accountable for this massacre which happened 30 years ago last week.

Nice use of fallacy, that's not what you said.

Here's what you said...

An Israeli inquiry into an Israeli war crime absolved Israelis of responsibility. Was any other outcome possible?

Which of course you know is a lie, which explains why you are now dishonestly moving the goal posts.

Just admit it EAO, you lied, got caught, and would rather eat glass than admit I caught you in another lie.

 

[Goober]

No one was ever held accountable for this massacre which happened 30 years ago last week.

Survivors recount Sabra-Shatila massacre - Features - Al Jazeera English

Munir’s Story » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Lots of Christians and Jews massacred in Arab Countries - They were never charged either. But then again they do not count.

http://www.zionism-israel.com/Palestine_Massacre_riots_of_1929.htm

 

[earth_as_one]

The Israeli government tried to ignore this atrocity, but when the images came out, about 1/10 of Israel demonstrated in favor of an investigation. The Kahan commission's purpose was to create a good enough illusion of justice to bamboozle angry Israelis.

The commission concluded that no Israelis were directly responsible for the slaughter, even though it was orchestrated by Israeli General Ariel Sharon (who was later elected Israeli PM), the IDF secured the perimeter of the massacre site and forced people attempting to flee back into the camps at gun point. During the genocidal rampage, Israeli forces lit up the night sky with flares. The murderers and rapists wore Israeli supplied uniforms, used Israeli supplied arms, and ate Israeli supplied rations.

Robert Fisk was one of the first journalists to be present at the scene of the horrific murders in Lebanon, September 17th, 1982. He has published a number of different books and currently writes columns for The Independent newspaper. The following is extracted from his book, "Pity the Nation."

What we found inside the Palestinian camp at ten o'clock on the morning of September 1982 did not quite beggar description, although it would have been easier to re-tell in the cold prose of a medical examination. There had been medical examinations before in Lebanon, but rarely on this scale and never overlooked by a regular, supposedly disciplined army. In the panic and hatred of battle, tens of thousands had been killed in this country. But these people, hundreds of them had been shot down unarmed. This was a mass killing, an incident - how easily we used the word "incident" in Lebanon - that was also an atrocity. It went beyond even what the Israelis would have in other circumstances called a terrorist activity. It was a war crime.

Jenkins and Tveit were so overwhelmed by what we found in Chatila that at first we were unable to register our own shock. Bill Foley of AP had come with us. All he could say as he walked round was "Jesus Christ" over and over again. We might have accepted evidence of a few murders; even dozens of bodies, killed in the heat of combat. Bur there were women lying in houses with their skirts torn torn up to their waists and their legs wide apart, children with their throats cut, rows of young men shot in the back after being lined up at an execution wall. There were babies - blackened babies babies because they had been slaughtered more than 24-hours earlier and their small bodies were already in a state of decomposition - tossed into rubbish heaps alongside discarded US army ration tins, Israeli army equipment and empty bottles of whiskey.

Where were the murderers? Or to use the Israelis' vocabulary, where were the "terrorists"? When we drove down to Chatila, we had seen the Israelis on the top of the apartments in the Avenue Camille Chamoun but they made no attempt to stop us. In fact, we had first been driven to the Bourj al-Barajneh camp because someone told us that there was a massacre there. All we saw was a Lebanese soldier chasing a car theif down a street. It was only when we were driving back past the entrance to Chatila that Jenkins decided to stop the car. "I don't like this", he said. "Where is everyone? What the f**k is that smell?"

Just inside the the southern entrance to the camp, there used to be a number of single-story, concrete walled houses. I had conducted many interviews in these hovels in the late 1970's. When we walked across the muddy entrance to Chatila, we found that these buildings had been dynamited to the ground. There were cartridge cases across the main road. I saw several Israeli flare canisters, still attached to their tiny parachutes. Clouds of flies moved across the rubble, raiding parties with a nose for victory.

Down a laneway to our right, no more than 50 yards from the entrance, there lay a pile of corpses. There were more than a dozen of them, young men whose arms and legs had been wrapped around each other in the agony of death. All had been shot point-blank range through the cheek, the bullet tearing away a line of flesh up to the ear and entering the brain. Some had vivid crimson or black scars down the left side of their throats. One had been castrated, his trousers torn open and a settlement of flies throbbing over his torn intestines.

The eyes of these young men were all open. The youngest was only 12 or 13 years old. They were dressed in jeans and coloured shirts, the material absurdly tight over their flesh now that their bodies had begun to bloat in the heat. They had not been robbed. On one blackened wrist a Swiss watch recorded the correct time, the second hand still ticking round uselessly, expending the last energies of its dead owner.


On the other side of the main road, up a track through the debris, we found the bodies of five women and several children. The women were middle-aged and their corpses lay draped over a pile of rubble. One lay on her back, her dress torn open and the head of a little girl emerging from behind her. The girl had short dark curly hair, her eyes were staring at us and there was a frown on her face. She was dead.

Another child lay on the roadway like a discarded doll, her white dress stained with mud and dust. She could have been no more than three years old. The back of her head had been blown away by a bullet fired into her brain. One of the women also held a tiny baby to her body. The bullet that had passed into her breast had killed the baby too. Someone had slit open the woman's stomach, cutting sideways and then upwards, perhaps trying to kill her unborn child. Her eyes were wide open, her dark face frozen in horror.

"...As we stood there, we heard a shout in Arabic from across the ruins. "They are coming back," a man was screaming, So we ran in fear towards the road. I think, in retrospect, that it was probably anger that stopped us from leaving, for we now waited near the entrance to the camp to glimpse the faces of the men who were responsible for all of this. They must have been sent in here with Israeli permission. They must have been armed by the Israelis. Their handiwork had clearly been watched - closely observed - by the Israelis who were still watching us through their field-glasses.

When does a killing become an outrage? When does an atrocity become a massacre? Or, put another way, how many killings make a massacre? Thirty? A hundred? Three hundred? When is a massacre not a massacre? When the figures are too low? Or when the massacre is carried out by Israel’s friends rather than Israel's enemies?

That, I suspected, was what this argument was about. If Syrian troops had crossed into Israel, surrounded a Kibbutz and allowed their Palestinian allies to slaughter the Jewish inhabitants, no Western news agency would waste its time afterwards arguing about whether or not it should be called a massacre.

But in Beirut, the victims were Palestinians. The guilty were certainly Christian militiamen - from which particular unit we were still unsure - but the Israelis were also guilty. If the Israelis had not taken part in the killings, they had certainly sent militia into the camp. They had trained them, given them uniforms, handed them US army rations and Israeli medical equipment. Then they had watched the murderers in the camps, they had given them military assistance - the Israeli airforce had dropped all those flares to help the men who were murdering the inhabitants of Sabra and Chatila - and they had established military liason with the murderers in the camps
Remembering Sabra and Shatila

As a result of the Kahan commission, nothing happened. Ariel Sharon eventually resigned after a crack down on the Israeli protesters about the lack of accountability turned violent killing a single Israeli protester, not because of the ignored Kahan recommendations which included a ban on Ariel Sharon from running for public office. Later Israelis elected mass murderer and war criminal Sharon as the Israeli PM... Proving my point that Israelis also glorify their war criminals, just like the Palestinians.


If CB believes that the Kahan commission resulted in justice, then perhaps he can list all the people who received jail sentences as a result of this investigation....

The commission absolved Israel of responsibility. They just worded their conclusions in a way to bamboozle the gullible into believing justice was served, when not a single person (Israeli or other wise) was ever charged with the rape, torture or murder of any of the several thousand unarmed civilians... mostly old men, women, children and babies.

 

[CDNBear]

If CB believes that the Kahan commission resulted in justice, then perhaps he can list all the people who received jail sentences as a result of this investigation....

I said I thought that?

Now now EAO, you're lying again.

Here is what you said...

An Israeli inquiry into an Israeli war crime absolved Israelis of responsibility. Was any other outcome possible?

That's a lie. The one above that makes three lies now.

More proof, you are incapable of an honest discussion involving Israel.

The commission absolved Israel of responsibility.

That's still not what you said.

Your dishonesty proves my observations about what you really are, true.

Translation: CB is a pathological liar who constantly invents crap about what others allegedly wrote and/or believe. The above is yet another example...

Here's the thread you've been caught lying in, three provable times now.

Enjoy.

 

[Goober]

The Israeli government tried to ignore this atrocity, but when the images came out, about 1/10 of Israel demonstrated in favor of an investigation. The Kahan commission's purpose was to create a good enough illusion of justice to bamboozle angry Israelis.

You stated and or implied that all Israeli Jews that have spoken at the UN were War Criminals- That is close to or is advocating hatred to an identifiable group.

So provide the proof of trials and convictions in a court of law. Or retract.

 

[earth_as_one]

Different thread and I never said that. I said the UN lets Israeli war criminals address the UN, so who why not crazy Iranian religious zealots in response to objections to the Iranian president addressing the UN.

 

[CDNBear]

You stated and or implied that all Israeli Jews that have spoken at the UN were War Criminals- That is close to or is advocating hatred to an identifiable group.

So provide the proof of trials and convictions in a court of law. Or retract.

Good luck with that.

EAO lies constantly, and just lies some more to cover that up, as you can see in his use of fallacy in the posts of his above.

Different thread and I never said that. I said the UN lets Israeli war criminals address the UN, so who why not crazy Iranian religious zealots in response to objections to the Iranian president addressing the UN.

His question still stands.

He's right BTW.

This goes to further prove you consistently blanket all Israelis and all of Israel with your malicious and slanderous claims, meant only to demonize Israel.

It is why I fully believe you are a Jew hater.

Why else would you lie so much?