Jamaica vs Canada

[DurkaDurka]

Thankyou gentlemen. Now if I can get Lone Wolf to sign off on this I can go home. This is the message I brought to you when I came here. Canada gets a free ride under the US defense umbrella and is perfectly happy to lay low and let the US do the heavy work. The door won't hit my ass on the way out.

Remind me, which country has the aggressive foreign policy which requires having a massive military? Canada doesn't pretend to be the police of the world, hence us not needing to have our military spread out across the world. You're just another arrogant & ignorant yank.

 

[darkbeaver]

By all means go away. The only danger in you creating so many enemies for yourself is I am downwind. Canada IS (or was) your umbrella. Why do you suppose all those radar stations were set up across Canada? So Russian bombers could be intercepted BEFORE they got over the US ... so who really was the sacrificial lamb for your belligerence?

Now, you don't need us so you leave us. US Foreign policy in action.

DEW Line
Mid-Canada line
Pine Tree line....


Feel free to Google and enlighten yourself.

Finally the truth, Canadians have guarded the northern gateway to the heart of the Evil Empire since before the first world war, free of charge. If not for us Americans would be speaking poor russian instead of poor engleach.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Clinton says releasing pirates sends 'wrong signal'

Source: Clinton says releasing pirates sends 'wrong signal' - CNN.com

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Monday that
releasing pirates captured while attacking ships off Somalia's coast "sends the
wrong signal."

"There is a need to coordinate better the reactions of all of the nations and
organizations involved in policing the coastline off of Somalia," Clinton said after a
meeting with Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen.

Her comments came after Dutch naval forces captured seven pirates Saturday but
were forced to release them because they lacked the jurisdiction to hold them.

The capture came even as pirates were capturing another vessel -- a Belgian ship -
- off the coast of the Seychelles islands. It happened after the pirates launched an
unsuccessful attack on a petroleum tanker called the MT Handytankers Magic, said
Cmdr. Chris Davies said from NATO's Maritime Component Command Headquarters
in Northwood, England.

The Dutch frigate De Zeven Provincien was with the NATO fleet patrolling the
region.

After capturing the pirates, the Dutch forces found and freed 20 local fishermen
who had been kidnapped by the pirates, Davies said.

The Dutch disarmed the pirates, and released them, Shona Owe, a spokeswoman
from the maritime headquarters, told CNN.

Because the crew was on a NATO mission and not working under the European
Union, the Dutch crew lacked the jurisdiction to hold the pirates, according to
reports.

"If the Dutch navy had been operating under the EU, they could have turned over
the pirates for trial. NATO has not provided that authority," Clinton said." So we
need to coordinate this, we need to move very quickly to do so, and we're going to
work together in a leadership role to try to get this resolved."

Last week, Clinton unveiled a diplomatic initiative to thwart attacks on ships off
Somalia's coast and combat piracy, including efforts to track and freeze pirate
assets, going after their land bases and strengthening international naval
cooperation.

The United States also will participate in upcoming meetings on Somalia and piracy.
The steps announced by Clinton are part of a U.S. government-wide effort to
grapple with the growing threat posed by pirates, exemplified recently by the
attack on the the Maersk Alabama and last week's failed attack on another U.S.-
flagged ship off the Somali coast.
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This situation sounds familiar....Ranchhand, is your anger with Canada, or is it
with NATO and/or the UN with respect to international laws & jurasdiction???

 

[#juan]

By all means go away. The only danger in you creating so many enemies for yourself is I am downwind. Canada IS (or was) your umbrella. Why do you suppose all those radar stations were set up across Canada? So Russian bombers could be intercepted BEFORE they got over the US ... so who really was the sacrificial lamb for your belligerence?

Now, you don't need us so you leave us. US Foreign policy in action.

DEW Line
Mid-Canada line
Pine Tree line....

Feel free to Google and enlighten yourself.

Added to what Wolf says, I would like to add that during the cold war Canada had four fighter wings in Europe, each with three squadrons of front line fighters and intercepters at that time. I was a fighter pilot in Europe during the cold war for three and a half years. We helped provide, among other things, an umbrella for NATO forces in Western Europe.

Btw, Canada also had fighters and intercepters stationed across Canada to protect against bombers. There was no defense against ICBMs at the time.

 

[gerryh]

Thankyou gentlemen. Now if I can get Lone Wolf to sign off on this I can go home. This is the message I brought to you when I came here. Canada gets a free ride under the US defense umbrella and is perfectly happy to lay low and let the US do the heavy work. The door won't hit my ass on the way out.

and americans wonder why they are hated so much....why 9/11 happened to them.....why the Cole...... why the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.... look in the mirror and you will have your answer. Arrogance beyond repair.

 

[RanchHand]

Clinton says releasing pirates sends 'wrong signal'

Source: Clinton says releasing pirates sends 'wrong signal' - CNN.com

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Monday that
releasing pirates captured while attacking ships off Somalia's coast "sends the
wrong signal."

"There is a need to coordinate better the reactions of all of the nations and
organizations involved in policing the coastline off of Somalia," Clinton said after a
meeting with Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen.

Her comments came after Dutch naval forces captured seven pirates Saturday but
were forced to release them because they lacked the jurisdiction to hold them.

The capture came even as pirates were capturing another vessel -- a Belgian ship -
- off the coast of the Seychelles islands. It happened after the pirates launched an
unsuccessful attack on a petroleum tanker called the MT Handytankers Magic, said
Cmdr. Chris Davies said from NATO's Maritime Component Command Headquarters
in Northwood, England.

The Dutch frigate De Zeven Provincien was with the NATO fleet patrolling the
region.

After capturing the pirates, the Dutch forces found and freed 20 local fishermen
who had been kidnapped by the pirates, Davies said.

The Dutch disarmed the pirates, and released them, Shona Owe, a spokeswoman
from the maritime headquarters, told CNN.

Because the crew was on a NATO mission and not working under the European
Union, the Dutch crew lacked the jurisdiction to hold the pirates, according to
reports.

"If the Dutch navy had been operating under the EU, they could have turned over
the pirates for trial. NATO has not provided that authority," Clinton said." So we
need to coordinate this, we need to move very quickly to do so, and we're going to
work together in a leadership role to try to get this resolved."

Last week, Clinton unveiled a diplomatic initiative to thwart attacks on ships off
Somalia's coast and combat piracy, including efforts to track and freeze pirate
assets, going after their land bases and strengthening international naval
cooperation.

The United States also will participate in upcoming meetings on Somalia and piracy.
The steps announced by Clinton are part of a U.S. government-wide effort to
grapple with the growing threat posed by pirates, exemplified recently by the
attack on the the Maersk Alabama and last week's failed attack on another U.S.-
flagged ship off the Somali coast.
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This situation sounds familiar....Ranchhand, is your anger with Canada, or is it
with NATO and/or the UN with respect to international laws & jurasdiction???

Canada. What Hillary is saying is she wants to see Canada change it's maritime laws.

"As NATO is an alliance, not a nation, there's no such thing as NATO law. When NATO ships detain pirate suspects, the law that applies is the national law of the NATO ship involved. It seems that in the case of Canada, that precludes bringing the pirates to justice unless a Canadian ship is attacked."
SHIPPING, SHIPBUILDING AND OFFSHORE NEWS

 

[lone wolf]

Canada. What Hillary is saying is she wants to see Canada change it's maritime laws.

"As NATO is an alliance, not a nation, there's no such thing as NATO law. When NATO ships detain pirate suspects, the law that applies is the national law of the NATO ship involved. It seems that in the case of Canada, that precludes bringing the pirates to justice unless a Canadian ship is attacked."
SHIPPING, SHIPBUILDING AND OFFSHORE NEWS

I want to see Hillary dance naked at Niagara Falls.... What does it matter what Hillary wants? Agreed ... our laws are written for a less warlike nation. Stick to writing your own laws.

 

[RanchHand]

Thankyou gentlemen. Now if I can get Lone Wolf to sign off on this I can go home. This is the message I brought to you when I came here. Canada gets a free ride under the US defense umbrella and is perfectly happy to lay low and let the US do the heavy work. The door won't hit my ass on the way out.

and americans wonder why they are hated so much....why 9/11 happened to them.....why the Cole...... why the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.... look in the mirror and you will have your answer. Arrogance beyond repair.

Listen you wretched piece of xxxx. Most of the people massacred in Kenya and Tanzania where locals, very few if any Americans. So I at least get the satisfaction of ruining your day. As hard as it is to swallow, 2 of your fellow Canadians agree with my points. That's what I was posting. You go into 'Canada duck and cover' mode which is to call me arrogant. It's nothing more than a national crutch.

 

[lone wolf]

Why did Oklahoma City happen?

Uh-oh.... He's gonna scrawl more crayon on his avatar again....

 

[RanchHand]

I want to see Hillary dance naked at Niagara Falls.... What does it matter what Hillary wants? Agreed ... our laws are written for a less warlike nation. Stick to writing your own laws.

Full circle again. My point that Canadian maritime laws need to be updated if you are going participate in security of the sea lanes. I said this in one of the first posts. Probably about 50 name callings ago.

 

[lone wolf]

Full circle again. My point that Canadian maritime laws need to be updated if you are going participate in security of the sea lanes. I said this in one of the first posts. Probably about 50 name callings ago.

Maybe you need to stop thinking the world is yours in which to write rules and break them at will.

 

[gerryh]

Listen you wretched piece of xxxx. Most of the people massacred in Kenya and Tanzania where locals, very few if any Americans. So I at least get the satisfaction of ruining your day. As hard as it is to swallow, 2 of your fellow Canadians agree with my points. That's what I was posting. You go into 'Canada duck and cover' mode which is to call me arrogant. It's nothing more than a national crutch.

No...the national "crutch" award belongs to the useless masses south of the 49th. The ones whose combined mental powers couldn't compete with a kindergarten class. Idiots who think they can make their own rules outside of their own country without consequence. Morons who think that the rest of the world should bow down to them because they have the biggest stick. Bullies beyond compare. Babies who blame anything else or everyone else for troubles that they brought upon their own heads.

and just because you managed to find 2 american wannabe's to agree with you means squat.

If the united sl*ts of america wants to continue to flout international law, and/or take the law into their own hands, then they deserve all the 9/11's that they get.

 

[#juan]

Thankyou gentlemen. Now if I can get Lone Wolf to sign off on this I can go home. This is the message I brought to you when I came here. Canada gets a free ride under the US defense umbrella and is perfectly happy to lay low and let the US do the heavy work. The door won't hit my ass on the way out.

Complete, unadulterated horse****. Canada has pulled more than her share of the cold war defense load. Canada also did more than her share during the two world wars and Korea. The U.S. entered both world wars two years late as they were busy arming Germany.

 

[Colpy]

Complete, unadulterated horse****. Canada has pulled more than her share of the cold war defense load. Canada also did more than her share during the two world wars and Korea. The U.S. entered both world wars two years late as they were busy arming Germany.

Well, you're half right. we did more than our share in Korea and in both World Wars..........but I think you are a little confused about the Cold War and "arming Germany"

Trudeau, secure in the knowledge Canada was safely nestled under the US defence umbrella, butchered our military until we could not even fulfill our modest commitments in Germany and Norway. He started in 1969, 20 years before the end of the Cold War, and he is solely responsible for the ability of NATO and our other allies (especially the USA) to complain that we did not hold up our end.

That has only been corrected recently by our involvement in Afghanistan......now its the Germans that deserve to be crapped on for evasiveness.

The Americans sent an amazing amount of material to Britain and to Canada under the "lend lease" program (buy now, pay later....if at all)........before they were in the war. The sale of arms to Germany exists largely in your imagination.

You should let knee-jerk anti-Americanism blind you to the facts.

 

[mabudon]

Can't believe that idiot raunch-hands is still not banned. Trying to turn every subject into a flame-war is bad for the forums in general. Trust an idiotic "patriot" to make everything about 9-11. I just decided to return from my self-imposed vacation to invite Raunch to just F-off, this thread could have been a kind of interesting discussion without right-wing bullies hijacking it. Oh wait, since he hijacked the thread, I believe his solution to piracy is a shot in the head, perhaps some e-sniper can shoot his account dead and end the crisis

 

[Johnnny]

^--- dont make threats on the net to anyone if your Canadian, it could be used against you

 

[gerryh]

^--- dont make threats on the net to anyone if your Canadian, it could be used against you

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Johnnny]

i cant remember where i seen it, but i remember someone from the praires was charged for for threatening jewish people on the net... I might be wrong

 

[DaSleeper]

i cant remember where i seen it, but i remember someone from the praires was charged for for threatening jewish people on the net... I might be wrong

That would be the CHRC at work.......but as far as I know being an American doesn't give anyone minority status:lol:

 

[gerryh]

i cant remember where i seen it, but i remember someone from the praires was charged for for threatening jewish people on the net... I might be wrong

and where was someone threatened?