It's Time to Upgrade Free Speech to Fair Speech

darkbeaver

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HTFuk could you mess up that getting punched out should be based on your mouth rather than how you are dressed??


Then why are so many groups trying to downgrade it??

There's often truth in free speech, and the truth hurts sometimes.
 

Danbones

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well we should make it far speech
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your far speech zone is way...way...way...way...over there
 

mentalfloss

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Free speech can't be upgraded.

Of course it can.

You see, certain types of short term free speech actually end up removing free speech later.

Like the kind of shit people like you say in the bathroom - but instead, say, at a Nazi Rally.

That's the kind of stuff that galvanizes a legion of bigots and we end up compromising the lives and freedom to speak of good, innocent people.

You just put a few bandaids with a little polysporin over the cuts and everyone is happy and more free to speak than they were before.

The only reason why we're not there yet is because bigots like you are afraid.

But we can't be afraid or we're not going to evolve.



And besides,


there's absolutely no reason to be afraid


unless you're a
 
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darkbeaver

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As defined democratically. :)

So is it a human right or an undecided matter of consensus, democracy is a theory MF, ain't it? How's it working inthe USA?
Or that gem Great Britdung?


Punch a Bolshevik!!!


Nazi

Why is there always a price to pay for using free speech??

Its because free is a theoretical only, you are never free under the sun and the moon and the stars.
 

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Of course it can.

You see, certain types of short term free speech actually end up removing free speech later.

Like the kind of shit people like you say in the bathroom - but instead, say, at a Nazi Rally.

That's the kind of stuff that galvanizes a legion of bigots and we end up compromising the lives and freedom to speak of good, innocent people.

You just put a few bandaids with a little polysporin over the cuts and everyone is happy and more free to speak than they were before.

The only reason why we're not there yet is because bigots like you are afraid.

But we can't be afraid or we're not going to evolve.



And besides,


there's absolutely no reason to be afraid


unless you're a

You're an idiot.

Hate speech laws galvanize bigots, especially Nazis, as demonstrated by history.

“Remarkably, pre-Hitler Germany had laws very much like the Canadian anti-hate law. Moreover, those laws were enforced with some vigour. During the 15 years before Hitler came to power, there were more than 200 prosecutions based on anti-Semitic speech. And, in the opinion of the leading Jewish organization of that era, no more than 10 per cent of the cases were mishandled by the authorities. As subsequent history so painfully testifies, this type of legislation proved ineffectual on the one occasion when there was a real argument for it.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/303374

That is Alan Borovoy.

Look him up. He is well out of his diapers, intellectually speaking, unlike you.

Oh here, from Wikipedia..... In 1968, Borovoy became General Counsel for the CCLA, a position he held until his retirement on 1 July 2009.[citation needed] He then became CCLA's General Counsel Emeritus. During his tenure he was one of the main contributors to the Canadian and the Ontario Human Rights Commission, both of which legislate delivery of services and accommodation free from discrimination. Borovoy later believed that "extremists among equality seekers" are dangerous to liberal values by using hate speech laws and human rights commissions to censor their adversaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_BorovoyAnd here is the point, from Mark Steyn:

Inevitably, the Nazi party exploited the restrictions on “free speech” in order to boost its appeal. In 1925, the state of Bavaria issued an order banning Adolf Hitler from making any public speeches. The Nazis responded by distributing a drawing of their leader with his mouth gagged and the caption, “Of 2,000 million people in the world, one alone is forbidden to speak in Germany.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/303374

Which, of course, mobilized the Nazis and gained them much sympathy among the people as a persecuted group.


So a fat lot of good those laws did against the Nazis — but they proved immensely useful once the Nazis took power. Liberals always seem stunned when supposedly “liberal” laws are subsequently used for illiberal ends. (my emphasis)


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/303374


History has clearly demonstrated that loathesome ideas need to be dragged out and exposed to the sun, not hidden in the shadows and allowed to fester and grow like mold.

You are the one encouraging the growth of the racist far right.

So, should we punch you in the face?
 
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darkbeaver

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You do realize democracy isn't just about who's at the top or even in power, right?

Even with a majority government, people still play a role in how it operates.

You are one confused individual. In a democracy, theoretically the people rule through thier elected representatives. However this has long not been the case and is most easily demonstrated by the near blanket rule of the Zionist International a common wealth of thieves and liars. We Canadians sit on our hands while the Zionist cess pool is allowed to conduct genocide on captive civilians who are condemned for thier right to self defence. You don't live in a democracy Mentalfloss and never have.
 

mentalfloss

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You're an idiot.

Hate speech laws galvanize bigots, especially Nazis, as demonstrated by history.

“Remarkably, pre-Hitler Germany had laws very much like the Canadian anti-hate law. Moreover, those laws were enforced with some vigour. During the 15 years before Hitler came to power, there were more than 200 prosecutions based on anti-Semitic speech. And, in the opinion of the leading Jewish organization of that era, no more than 10 per cent of the cases were mishandled by the authorities. As subsequent history so painfully testifies, this type of legislation proved ineffectual on the one occasion when there was a real argument for it.”

| National Review

That is Alan Borovoy.

Look him up. He is well out of his diapers, intellectually speaking, unlike you.

Oh here, from Wikipedia..... In 1968, Borovoy became General Counsel for the CCLA, a position he held until his retirement on 1 July 2009.[citation needed] He then became CCLA's General Counsel Emeritus. During his tenure he was one of the main contributors to the Canadian and the Ontario Human Rights Commission, both of which legislate delivery of services and accommodation free from discrimination. Borovoy later believed that "extremists among equality seekers" are dangerous to liberal values by using hate speech laws and human rights commissions to censor their adversaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_BorovoyAnd here is the point, from Mark Steyn:

Inevitably, the Nazi party exploited the restrictions on “free speech” in order to boost its appeal. In 1925, the state of Bavaria issued an order banning Adolf Hitler from making any public speeches. The Nazis responded by distributing a drawing of their leader with his mouth gagged and the caption, “Of 2,000 million people in the world, one alone is forbidden to speak in Germany.”

| National Review

Which, of course, mobilized the Nazis and gained them much sympathy among the people as a persecuted group.


So a fat lot of good those laws did against the Nazis — but they proved immensely useful once the Nazis took power. Liberals always seem stunned when supposedly “liberal” laws are subsequently used for illiberal ends. (my emphasis)


| National Review


History has clearly demonstrated that loathesome ideas need to be dragged out and exposed to the sun, not hidden in the shadows and allowed to fester and grow like mold.

You are the one encouraging the growth of the racist far right.

So, should we punch you in the face?

We've had hate speech laws for a long time now and they haven't galvanized hate groups.

It's pretty obvious that what galvanized hate groups was Donald Trump.