It's about Flippin' Time.....Japanese government apologizes to Canada’s World War II

[EagleSmack]

Some stories have proven to be comic-book stories. I have read several on Japanese society before the war and how it was structured around the same basic model as Medieval Europe as far as it being a clearly define two class system where one minority class has all the benefits of a well organized population. If people think German citizens were brainwashed that is 1/10 the scale that the Japanese citizens were. (as far as citizens having control of their own destiny)

Hey, if you get your history from comic books then you're missing out.

Meanwhile if you read the words of the Japanese soldiers and sailors you'll find that they totally bought into the "weak Westerners" racist teachings. That is until they saw the nozzle of a flame thrower sticking into their bunkers.

Wasn't Hong Kong knee-deep in the drug trade even that far back?

Oh no... the drug trade was brand new.

Puh-lease.

They should have taken a tour of the whole USA before picking on it, it could have saved them a lot of grief.

You said a mouthfull there!

 

[Cliffy]

"The Nips"! "The Nips?" Look at you preaching while calling the Japanese "Nips" yourself. Still reading those comic books?

The Japanese were the biggest racist of all! It was their arrogance and their racist views of the weak American fat white playboys that bit them in their azz.

It wasn't the Japanese who were demonized it was the Nips. That is the term that was used so I use the term because to use any other term would negate the sentence. And yes, all parties were equally guilty of demonizing their enemies. That is the nature of war, always has and always will be - until we become fully conscious humans. Until that day of awakening we will have to put up with the idiots who think war is the answer to every slight and insult.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You said a mouthfull there!

I think they knew the danger, that's why the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. That was supposed to be a knockout to take the U.S. Navy out of the game in the Pacific, but they made some crucial mistakes. Missed the carriers and the submarines and the fuel depot (probably expected to make use of it themselves). They made a few more mistakes at Midway, which was supposed to be another surprise but they didn't know their codes had been broken and the U.S. Navy was lying in wait for them. Then they seriously underestimated what they were up against, there were more carriers present than they thought were operational, they got caught with their pants down and lost a substantial majority of their best carrier forces. They never recovered from that. Midway is really where they lost the war, but it took a few more years to convince them.

 

[EagleSmack]

It wasn't the Japanese who were demonized it was the Nips.

Don't be silly. Nips was a derogatory term given to the Japanese.

That's like saying it wasn't black people who were demonized it was the n******.

 

[darkbeaver]

The Nips knew going into the war that they would have to be lucky. They had two choices become an American province or war. Pearl Harbour was very good to bankers and American expansion of which the Japs did the hard work softening up the victim nations while the Yanks picked the bones like vultures, that's right carrion eaters. Of course that was entirely coincidental and no planning for that expansion was ever carried out and no documentation exists about that undone planning anywhere even in US Navy and diplomatic archives.

 

[EagleSmack]

I think they knew the danger, that's why the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. That was supposed to be a knockout to take the U.S. Navy out of the game in the Pacific, but they made some crucial mistakes. Missed the carriers and the submarines and the fuel depot (probably expected to make use of it themselves).

Attacking the U.S was a mistake. They expected, in their racist arrogance that we would immediately sue for peace and did not have the stomach to fight such a self proclaimed superior race such as themselves.

They made a few more mistakes at Midway, which was supposed to be another surprise but they didn't know their codes had been broken and the U.S. Navy was lying in wait for them. Then they seriously underestimated what they were up against, there were more carriers present than they thought were operational, they got caught with their pants down and lost a substantial majority of their best carrier forces. They never recovered from that. Midway is really where they lost the war, but it took a few more years to convince them.

More Japanese arrogance to think that their codes could not be broken by the round eyed playboys. At Midway the Japanese didn't even expect US Carriers to be present. Their plan was to invade Midway and await a U.S counter attack where the superior Japanese would finally get the carriers.

Instead they got thumped on the spot and had to limp back minus four carriers.

Midway was the turning point but I also think that the failure of the Japanese to retake and them giving up reinforcing Guadacanal was a major turning point. The Japanese from Guadacanal onwards started digging in instead of going on the offensive.

The Nips knew going into the war that they would have to be lucky. They had two choices become an American province or war. Pearl Harbour was very good to bankers and American expansion of which the Japs did the hard work softening up the victim nations while the Yanks picked the bones like vultures, that's right carrion eaters. Of course that was entirely coincidental and no planning for that expansion was ever carried out and no documentation exists about that undone planning anywhere even in US Navy and diplomatic archives.

Wow... DB is flinging the racial slurs around too! Nips and Japs huh?

Right DB, the Japanese Navy was twice as strong as ours in December of 1941 and we had barely the amphibious forces to take and hold a tiny island. Yet we wanted to make Japan a province? lol

FAIL

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Until that day of awakening we will have to put up with the idiots who think war is the answer to every slight and insult.

Taking Pearl Harbour out of the equation I gotta ask: Where do you stand on what the Japanese did to the Chinese and the Indonesians? Was that slight or insult? I wasn't aware that raping and pillaging fell into that category.

 

[EagleSmack]

Hmmm... I'd like to hear an answer to that as well.

 

[pezlop]

The Chinese people still hold great Animosity towards the Japanese (sorry I'm not racist enough to call them Nips). Friends still say you won't see any Japanese person walking in Nanjing, the horrors of the infamous unit 731 perpetrated on the citizens is reason enough.



Wow can't believe how many apologists there are for nazis Germany and imperial Japan there are.

 

[darkbeaver]

Netherlands apologises for 1947 Rawagede massacre in Indonesia

massacre of up to 430 men and boys during Indonesia's bitter struggle for independence. Tjeerd de Zwaan, the Dutch ambassador to Indonesia, made the announcement in front hundreds of villagers in Rawagede, the scene of the killings on 9 December 1947 of hundreds of boys and young men by Dutch troops.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

They expected, in their racist arrogance that we would immediately sue for peace and did not have the stomach to fight such a self proclaimed superior race such as themselves.

Yeah, I think at bottom that really was the fatal mistake. Good lesson there for everyone: always assume your opponents are at least as tough/smart/durable/motivated/whatever as you think you are, until they prove otherwise. 'Nother good one is, don't tease the bear.

 

[Colpy]

Yeah, I think at bottom that really was the fatal mistake. Good lesson there for everyone: always assume your opponents are at least as tough/smart/durable/motivated/whatever as you think you are, until they prove otherwise. 'Nother good one is, don't tease the bear.

Yeah, the Japanese teased the bear 1904-05, and kicked her arse.

Over-confidence is a terrible thing.

First from the Russians.....then from the Japanese.

Oh, a little history lesson on the Japanese in WWII.....

Nanking

http://www.nanking-massacre.com/RAPE_OF_NANKING_OR_NANJING_MASSACRE_1937.html

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yeah, the Japanese teased the bear 1904-05, and kicked her arse. http://www.nanking-massacre.com/RAPE_OF_NANKING_OR_NANJING_MASSACRE_1937.html

That wasn't much of a bear, it was just pretending to be, it was really toothless, incompetent, clumsy, and senile.

And yes I know about Nanking. Horrible, but not an uncommon story in the annals of war, it's even recorded--with divine direction and approval--in some of the Old Testament stories, but there seems to be some kind of unwritten statute of limitations on these apologies. I have a hard time seeing any legitimacy in them.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Veteran won't accept Japan's apology to PoWs - Nova Scotia - CBC News

Can't say I blame him. As I said before, its the wrong people apologizing. Hirohito lived to the late 1980s, he had plenty of time to apologize. I know, he didnt have a whole lot of say in the war but he was the technical head of state at the time and it was fought in his name.

Hirohito? That bastard was instrumental in Japan's march to war. Read Japan's Imperial Conspiracy by David Bergamini. It gives a detailed account of Hirohito's involvement in the rise of Japanese militarism. The only thing that saved the emperor at the end of the war was the fact that the US wanted Japan as a future ally against the USSR. If the Australians and the British had their way he would have ended his life at the end of a rope.

 

[Cliffy]

Taking Pearl Harbour out of the equation I gotta ask: Where do you stand on what the Japanese did to the Chinese and the Indonesians? Was that slight or insult? I wasn't aware that raping and pillaging fell into that category.

I'm not talking about any nation or people in particular. I'm talking about all the human race.

"War" by Edwin Starr (Original Video - 1969) - YouTube

 

[Spade]

It is time for each nation to be a little more introspective, not just the Japanese.

Nostra culpa, nostra culpa, nostra maxima culpa!
A fer intstance...
Nostra Culpa - TIME

 

[Colpy]

That wasn't much of a bear, it was just pretending to be, it was really toothless, incompetent, clumsy, and senile.

And yes I know about Nanking. Horrible, but not an uncommon story in the annals of war, it's even recorded--with divine direction and approval--in some of the Old Testament stories, but there seems to be some kind of unwritten statute of limitations on these apologies. I have a hard time seeing any legitimacy in them.

Hey Dexter.....the Nanking comment was not directed at you, but at the forum in general.......

And I have to say in terms of relative brutality, it is hard to find it's equal.

 

[Machjo]

The Japanese government apologized Thursday for the mistreatment of captured Canadian soldiers during the Second World War.
Veterans Affairs Minister Steven Blaney acknowledged the apology while leading a delegation of veterans to Japan. It was delivered by Toshiyuki Kato, Japan’s parliamentary vice-minister for foreign affairs.

“This important gesture is a crucial step in ongoing reconciliation and a significant milestone in the lives of all prisoners of war. It acknowledges their suffering while honouring their sacrifices and courage,” Mr. Blaney said in a statement.

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said the apology would help in healing the “terrible pain and heavy burden of the Second World War.” Mr. Baird said it would allow both countries to move forward.

Soldiers were taken captive after being forced to surrender Christmas Day 1941 after fierce fighting in the Battle of Hong Kong where 290 Canadians were killed and another 493 were wounded. Prisoners in Japanese POW camps were subjected to gross mistreatment by their captors.

Canadians, and other Allied soldiers, captured by Japanese forces were subjected to forced labour, starvation and beatings. Before the end of the war, 267 men died in captivity.

r treatment of the Residential school students,
Let's accept the apology gracefully, shall we. How long did it take us to apologize for our treatment of residential school survivors, Japanese Canadians who were interned, etc.?

We should consider too that many Japanese fought on our side. One example was Hasegawa Teru. She was married to a Shanghainese and moved to china just before the Japanese invasion of the Chinese mainland. She joined the Communist Party in its fight against her countrymen over the airwaves. The Communist Party provided her with a radion station allowing her to broadcast in fluent Japanese direct to her countrymen about what her country's army was really doing in China. Let's honour those Japanese heros.