Israeli Soldiers Allege Indiscriminate Killing in Gaza

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Israeli Soldiers Allege Indiscriminate Killing in Gaza


By Tim McGirk / Jerusalem



Whenever concerns are expressed over civilian casualties inflicted in Israeli military operations, the country's generals and political leaders are quick to insist that theirs is the "world's most moral army." That claim was challenged by human rights observers over Israel's recent offensive in Gaza, although such criticism is reflexively dismissed by Israel as driven by pro-Palestinian bias. But when the allegations of abuses come from Israeli soldiers involved in the fighting, they can't be as easily dismissed.



Defense Minister Ehud Barak was forced to repeat the "world's most moral army" mantra on Thursday, this time to reassure his own countrymen shocked by allegations published in the Israeli media from six veterans of the Gaza operation. The six soldiers, whose identity is being kept confidential, made their claims in an address last month to cadets of the Yitzhak Rabin military academy, of which they are graduates. Among other claims, the soldiers alleged that an Israeli sniper had shot a woman and her two children who walked in the wrong direction after being ordered out of their home by Israeli troops. In a second incident, a sniper supposedly killed an unarmed elderly woman who posed no apparent threat to Israeli troops. And the soldiers ascribed these incidents to overly permissive rules of engagement. See pictures of Israel's Gaza offensive)
"I simply felt it was murder in cold blood, said the soldier who witnessed the scene, quoted in the daily Haaretz. He went on to explain sarcastically, "That's what is so nice, supposedly about Gaza. You see a person waking on a road� He doesn't have to be with a weapon, you don't have to identify him with anything and you can just shoot him. With us it was an old woman on whom I didn't see any weapon. The order was to take that woman out, the moment you see her."
After the anonymous soldiers' testimony was splashed across the media in Israel and abroad, the military police on Thursday said it would investigate the alleged killings. Their allegations renewed an ongoing debate between Israelis who defend the Gaza assault and those who say it failed to accomplish its goal of crippling Hamas, but stained Israel's reputation. On Friday, an Israeli Defense Forces spokesman dismissed claims of the gunning down of the mother and her two children as "heresay", but said that the account of the elderly woman's death was still being probed. But those were just two of the incidents alleged by the six soldiers...
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What? Those bloodthirsty IDF Troops report crimes against their own?

Say it isn't so?

According to the masses here at CC, they're all bloodthirsty murders. Wanting nothing more then to wipe an entire populace off the map!!!

I'm never more amazed, then when I see military leaders admit their wrongs. Especially when those they face in battle, can not afford the same ethos. Yet those same un-uniformed, unidentifiable and unethical combatants, are lauded praise, or offered sactuary by the silence of the masses that condemn Israel.

Let the Israeli bashing begin!!! ;-)
 
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Were Israel indulging in "indiscriminate" killings in Gaza, there would be tens or even more likely, hundreds of thousands of dead.
 

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didnt they take out one of us canadians in the gaza before?
I believe you are referring to the 2006 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, where Israel bombed a UN compound killing four peacekeepers including one Canadian. During the same offensive the IDF also killed family of Canadians from Montreal.

As far as I know, the IDF hasn't killed in Canadians in Gaza.
 

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Israeli Soldiers Allege Indiscriminate Killing in Gaza


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What? Those bloodthirsty IDF Troops report crimes against their own?

Say it isn't so?

According to the masses here at CC, they're all bloodthirsty murders. Wanting nothing more then to wipe an entire populace off the map!!!

I'm never more amazed, then when I see military leaders admit their wrongs. Especially when those they face in battle, can not afford the same ethos. Yet those same un-uniformed, unidentifiable and unethical combatants, are lauded praise, or offered sactuary by the silence of the masses that condemn Israel.

Let the Israeli bashing begin!!! ;-)

IDF soldiers weren't reporting atrocities to authorities. The source of this information are transcripts from a kind of a group therapy session where IDF soldiers met and discussed what they saw and did in Gaza. Minutes of the meeting were leaked to a Haaretz reporter who made them public in a series of articles. There is no investigation and no one is being charged with anything.

Here are excerpts from some of the other Haaretz articles.

...anyone who remained in the sector and inside Gaza City was in effect condemned, a terrorist, because they hadn't fled. I didn't really understand: On the one hand they don't really have anywhere to flee to, but on the other hand they're telling us they hadn't fled so it's their fault ...

...This means going into the house, opening fire at everything that moves , throwing a grenade, all those things. And then there was a very annoying moment. One of my soldiers came to me and asked, 'Why?' I said, 'What isn't clear? We don't want to kill innocent civilians.' He goes, 'Yeah? Anyone who's in there is a terrorist, that's a known fact.' I said, 'Do you think the people there will really run away? No one will run away.' He says, 'That's clear,' and then his buddies join in: 'We need to murder any person who's in there. Yeah, any person who's in Gaza is a terrorist,'...

... after he kills, say, three children and four mothers, we'll go upstairs and kill another 20 or so people. And in the end it turns out that [there are] eight floors times five apartments on a floor - something like a minimum of 40 or 50 families that you murder....

... write 'death to the Arabs' on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can....

...You see a person on a road, walking along a path. He doesn't have to be with a weapon, you don't have to identify him with anything and you can just shoot him. With us it was an old woman, on whom I didn't see any weapon. The order was to take the person out...

... One mother and her two children didn't understand and went to the left, but they forgot to tell the sharpshooter on the roof they had let them go and it was was okay and he should hold his fire and he ... he did what he was supposed to, like he was following his orders."

Question from the audience: "At what range was this?"

Ram: "Between 100 and 200 meters...

...We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the gentiles who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land. This was the main message, and the whole sense many soldiers had in this operation was of a religious war...

..."We got an order one day: All of the equipment, all of the furniture - just clean out the whole house. We threw everything, everything, out of the windows to make room. The entire contents of the house went flying out the windows."...

...Zamir: "I think it would be important for parents to sit here and hear this discussion. I think it would be an instructive discussion, and also very dismaying and depressing. You are describing an army with very low value norms, that's the truth ... I am not judging you and I am not complaining about you. I'm just reflecting what I'm feeling after hearing your stories....

'Shooting and crying' - Haaretz - Israel News

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..."Rules of Engagement: Open fire also upon rescue," was handwritten in Hebrew on a sheet of paper found in one of the Palestinian homes the Israel Defense Forces took over during Operation Cast Lead. A reservist officer who did not take part in the Gaza offensive believes that the note is part of orders a low-level commander wrote before giving his soldiers their daily briefing....

... IDF soldiers shot at Palestinian and Red Cross rescuers, making it impossible to evacuate the wounded and dead. As a result, an unknown number of Palestinians bled to death as others cowered in their homes for days without medical treatment...

...bodies of the dead lay outside the homes or on roadsides for days, sometimes as long as two weeks...

...Under "Operational Routine" a note is included whose title can be translated as "****ting of Houses."...

...Many of the homes the IDF troops took over were left in particularly unsanitary conditions; the residents of Sami Dardone's home found their clothes in piles with obvious signs of human feces....

..."****ting of Houses" refers to "an intentional action of turning the homes into latrines...

Written proof - Haaretz - Israel News

Reports from Gaza indicate that the above behavior was common. IMHO, any soldier who admits what they did should be granted amnesty and not be charged with war crimes.

War crimes are defined in the statute that established the International Criminal Court, which includes:

Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, such as:
Willful killing, or causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health
Torture or inhumane treatment
Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property
Forcing a prisoner of war to serve in the forces of a hostile power
Depriving a prisoner of war of a fair trial
Unlawful deportation, confinement or transfer
Taking hostages

The following acts as part of an international conflict:
Directing attacks against civilians
Directing attacks against humanitarian workers or UN peacekeepers
Killing a surrendered combatant
Misusing a flag of truce
Settlement of occupied territory
Deportation of inhabitants of occupied territory
Using poison weapons
Using civilians as shields
Using child soldiers

The following acts as part of a non-international conflict:
Murder, cruel or degrading treatment and torture
Directing attacks against civilians, humanitarian workers or UN peacekeepers
Taking hostages
Summary execution
Pillage
Rape, sexual slavery, forced prostitution or forced pregnancy

War crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Love the new IDF Tshirt--1 shot 2 kills--shows how moral some of the IDF soldiers are
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More about the most moral army in the world:

UN accuses troops of using boy, 11, as human shield
By Donald Macintyre

Tuesday, 24 March 2009

An 11-year-old boy was used as a human shield by Israeli troops during their 22-day offensive in Gaza – including when they came under fire – according to a report by UN human rights experts published yesterday.

The report says that on 15 January, as Israeli tanks moved into Tel el Hawa in Gaza City, forces moved into a building from which families had been evacuated with personal belongings.

The 11-year-old boy was told to open the bags – one of which had a lock which a soldier shot at, though without injuring the boy, the report said. The boy was then ordered to walk in front of a group of soldiers as they moved through the neighbourhood, it added.

When the soldiers arrived at the headquarters of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society, the boy was made to enter first and when the patrol was later shot at as it moved through the streets, "the boy remained in front of the group"....

...the UN Secretary General's special envoy for the protection of children in conflict, also accused the forces of shooting Palestinian children, bulldozing a home with a woman and child still inside, and shelling a building they had ordered civilians into a day earlier...

UN accuses troops of using boy, 11, as human shield - Middle East, World - The Independent


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