Israeli airstrikes kill 9 militants in Gaza
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Peace through superior firepower. The Palestinians like most fanatical Muslims think the only way to peace is mutilating their people and children who go to western schools to learn, people who do that to their own for any reason deserve the hell they live in, and they have been doing it for hundreds of years..
At least get your facts right, the ones doing the mutilating in Afghanistan were funded by the US. Before that operation began women were involved in Education, Politics, and all professions from education to healthcare, after that US inspired program started they either quit and went back to staying at home or they has acid thrown in their faces or killed outright. All that shows that there are pricks in the world, you just don't have a clue as to who they really are.
anuary 15, 1998
http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/# http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/# http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php...+funds+the+mujahideen+in+afghanistan&ql=&tt=0 http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/# 13
Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
by Alexander Cockburn And Jeffrey St. Clair
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
anuary 15, 1998
http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/# http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/# http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php...+funds+the+mujahideen+in+afghanistan&ql=&tt=0 http://www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/# 13
Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
by Alexander Cockburn And Jeffrey St. Clair
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
At least get your facts right, the ones doing the mutilating in Afghanistan were funded by the US. Before that operation began women were involved in Education, Politics, and all professions from education to healthcare, after that US inspired program started they either quit and went back to staying at home or they has acid thrown in their faces or killed outright. All that shows that there are pricks in the world, you just don't have a clue as to who they really are.
anuary 15, 1998
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Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
by Alexander Cockburn And Jeffrey St. Clair
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
So Carter helped fund the Mujahideen, that doesn't mean that my statement is wrong. " The Palestinians like most fanatical Muslims think the only way to peace is mutilating their people and children who go to western schools to learn, people who do that to their own for any reason deserve the hell they live in, and they have been doing it for hundreds of years."
Long before the Mujahideen existed they were doing it, I have the facts straight. By the way, the Mujahideen were not that bad as far as terrorist organizations go. It was the fanatics that sprouted from them who became radical religious killers.
Obviously you do not have the facts straight. The 'old guard' was being removed in Afghanistan, they were the ones who operated much like the Shaw of Iran (1953-1979) did which means full support from the US. The reforms taking place were in accordance with UN human rights documents that were more or less signed by all member Nations of the UN. The headway Afghanistan was making was in line with those documents and the US was the reason they were not fully implemented. To be quite blunt the US was fully responsible for the needed changes never taking place as they were activily funding the very same people who were the ones doing the things you are so disgusted with.
How hypocritical can you be? It seems to know no bounds.
How hypocritical can you be? It seems to know no bounds.
Excellent, 4 more of the seriously stuipd fanatics gone. It's a real shame that Israel didn't take out about 4,000 of them.
Seriously STUPID, that is.
Seriously STUPID, that is.
I could say the real shame is that they missed that "seriously stupid fanatic" called the old medic but that would make me as bad as you so instead I will wish you a happy and healthy life as the dimwitted, warmongering oaf you are and send my sympathy to your parents and children for having to admit you are related to them.
Didn't you just have a hiatus from here because you were insulting members? Read what you posted and think about it.
Actually I have been working in remote locations with no access to the web and no time to use it if I had access. Sorry to disappoint you. ;-)
Oh, okay. Still, you should refrain from personal attacks. The best way to nail someone is with a solid argument.
Oh, okay. Still, you should refrain from personal attacks. The best way to nail someone is with a solid argument.
Someone who celebrates murder and calls out for mass murder isn`t going to listen to any reasonable argument.
Try it...
Murder? Why shouldn't Israel face her enemies? They're on the front line of Islamic terrorism!
Why shouldn´*t the palestinians face their enemies? They are on the front line of western terrorism and imperialism?
Self defense is not murder.
Read the headline......"....kill 9 militants...."
Because they have no right to the land. Because if they would negotiate in good faith, they would have a country. Because Israel is a western democracy, far advanced over any Arab nation.........
....and because it inevitably gets them killed.
who struck first?
Palestinian militants struck 1st Wed
Israel launches deadly early morning raid on Gaza's marine police
Monday, 14 November 2011
Israel launches deadly early morning raid on Gaza's marine police
Israeli attack wounds three Palestinians in Gaza
Monday 7 Nov 2011
Israeli attack wounds three Palestinians in Gaza - Region - World - Ahram Online
Palestinians are people. They feel the same emotions as the rest of us.
It would be more accurate to say that Palestinian life doesn't seem to mean much to Israeli apologists like Ironsides and our news, which ignores their suffering.
If you want a balanced viewpoint, you have to listen to both sides. Our news reports the pro-Israeli version. Here is a Palestinian version for balance:
This Week in Palestine week 43 2011
27 Oct. - 02 Nov. 2011
...the Palestinian Center for Human Rights found that 12 Palestinian resistance fighters were killed and 5 others were wounded by Israeli air strikes in the Gaza Strip. 3 Palestinian civilians, including a child, were wounded by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip.
Israeli forces escalated attacks on the Gaza Strip. Israeli warplanes launched 17 air strikes against various targets. As a result of these attacks, 12 Palestinian resistance fighters were killed 5 others were wounded. Additionally, 3 civilians, including a child, were wounded.
On 27 October 2011, a Palestinian shepherd was wounded by Israeli gunfire in the southeast of Rafah.
On 29 October 2011, a Palestinian resistance fighter and a child were wounded when an Israeli warplane fired a missile at a number of fighters of the al-Quds Brigades in the central Gaza Strip.
Also on 29 October 2011, Israeli warplanes bombarded a training site of the al-Quds Brigades (the armed wing of Islamic Jihad) in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah. As a result, 5 resistance fighters were killed.
On the same day, an Israeli warplane fired a missile at two fighters of the al-Quds Brigades also in Rafah. The two fighters were killed.
On the same day, an Israeli warplane fired a missile at two fighters of the al-Quds Brigades in the west of Gaza City. The two fighters were killed.
On 30 October 2011, an Israeli warplane fired a missile at two fighters of the National Resistance Brigades (the armed wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine) in Rafah. A fighter was killed and the other one was seriously wounded.
On the same day, Israeli warplanes fired 3 missiles at 3 fighters of al-Ansar Brigades (the armed wing of al-Ahrar Movement) in the southern Gaza Strip town of Khan Yunis. Two fighters were killed.
At approximately 11:15 on Tuesday, 01 November 2011, Israeli soldiers stationed on observation towers at Beit Hanoun (Erez) crossing in the northern Gaza Strip opened fire at a number of Palestinian civilians and international solidarity fighters who demonstrated near the crossing. According to Saber al-Za’anin, Coordinator of the Local Initiative in Beit Hanoun, stated that once the demonstrators got as close as to 70 meters from the border between the Gaza Strip and Israel and placed the Palestinian flag on a hill, Israeli soldiers opened fire at them. No casualties were reported.
Israeli forces conducted 56 incursions into Palestinian communities in the West Bank , during which they abducted 8 Palestinians.
In addition, Israeli soldiers abducted 5 Palestinian civilians, including a child, at various checkpoints in the West Bank. In one instance, Israeli forces used a dog to attack a Palestinian civilian.
Israel has continued measures aimed at creating a Jewish majority in East Jerusalem. The Israeli Municipality of Jerusalem exerts pressure to accelerate the establishment of a biblical park in Silwan village.
Israeli forces demolished 3 houses in al-Khan al-Ahmar area.
Israeli forces have continued settlement activities in the West Bank and Israeli settlers have continued to attack Palestinian civilians and property.
Israeli settlers attacked Palestinian farmers while harvesting olives in the West Bank.
On 31 October 2011, a number of Israeli settlers from “Maghroun” settlement, which stands on the lands of Mikhmas village, southeast of Ramallah, threw stones at ‘Aa’esha Mohammed Abu ‘Ali, 78. As a result, she was injured in the head and the right hand.
This Week in Palestine week 44 2011
Friday November 04, 2011
On Friday evening, the Israel naval forces intercepted the two Free Gaza boats and led them to Ashdod port in northern Israel without any resistance from those on board.
The two boats set sail on Thursday en-route to the besieged Gaza Strip carrying 27 International and Palestinian peace and human rights activists. The Irish boat Saoirse [Seer Sha], meaning Freedom in Gaelic, and the Canadian boat Tahrir, meaning Liberty in Arabic, left from Turkey with a mission to break the siege on the Gaza Strip.
Meanwhile in the West Bank protests were organized against the wall at a number of villages on Friday midday. At least 12 people among them five children were treated for the effects of tear gas inhalation when Israeli troops suppressed the weekly protest in the village of Kafr Qaddoum, northern West Bank. Protesters were demanding the opening of the village entrance blocked by the army since 10 years.
In central West Bank anti wall protests were organized in the villages of Bil’in and Nil’in. Many were treated for the effects of tear gas inhalation when troops used tear gas to move people away from the wall at the two villages.
Meanwhile villagers of Al-Ma’sara, southern West Bank, protested the wall on Friday as well. The protest stared at midday but Israeli troops did not allow people to reach their lands where Israel is building the wall and used rifle-buts and batons to force people back into the village. No injuries were reported this week
Israel has also decided to withhold the tax revenue money due to the Palestinian Authority on monthly basis.
Tel Aviv collects approximately $100 Million in customs, income taxes and frees collected, on behalf of the Palestinians, on border terminals as the Palestinian Authority has no control over border terminals in the West Bank.
The money is usually transferred in the first three days of every month so that the P.A can pay salaries and other expenses.
PCHR Weekly Report: 12 fighters killed; 5 fighters, 4 civilians wounded by Israeli forces this week - International Middle East Media Center
This Week in Palestine week 44 2011 - International Middle East Media Center
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Basically the peace through power is true, especially in the Arab World. The Arab
civilization is basically centered around tribalism. There are all kinds of tribes and
the word society does not mean much. Before everyone shouts unfair lets look at
the concept of tribalism.
You do not disgrace the tribe, you do not disgrace the family, and decisions are then
centered on what is good for the tribe. There are both moderate and radical groups
within the tribal system, but seeing tribalism is most important and there are a variety
of tribes, there is a vacuum at the highest levels, You end up with tribal councils
instead of central leadership. Same goes for family, it is alright to kill a woman or a
girl because the family honour within the tribe has been sullied.
What has to happen in the Arab World is they must evolve to the next level of societal
development that would look out for the overall advantage for the society they are
living in.
Those who fire the rockets into Israel are doing so based on tribal advantage they are
not thinking of the good of society. The tribal people that lose relatives regard them as
the martyrs of a great cause. In reality these family members died for the cause of
spreading hate and propaganda. We were standing up for the country and the the
Israelis bombed us. In fact they attacked Israel and the Jewish state retaliated and
killed nine people. I think Israel was restrained actually, the bombing could have been
mush worse.
civilization is basically centered around tribalism. There are all kinds of tribes and
the word society does not mean much. Before everyone shouts unfair lets look at
the concept of tribalism.
You do not disgrace the tribe, you do not disgrace the family, and decisions are then
centered on what is good for the tribe. There are both moderate and radical groups
within the tribal system, but seeing tribalism is most important and there are a variety
of tribes, there is a vacuum at the highest levels, You end up with tribal councils
instead of central leadership. Same goes for family, it is alright to kill a woman or a
girl because the family honour within the tribe has been sullied.
What has to happen in the Arab World is they must evolve to the next level of societal
development that would look out for the overall advantage for the society they are
living in.
Those who fire the rockets into Israel are doing so based on tribal advantage they are
not thinking of the good of society. The tribal people that lose relatives regard them as
the martyrs of a great cause. In reality these family members died for the cause of
spreading hate and propaganda. We were standing up for the country and the the
Israelis bombed us. In fact they attacked Israel and the Jewish state retaliated and
killed nine people. I think Israel was restrained actually, the bombing could have been
mush worse.
Our news rarely reports Israeli attacks against Palestinians. Instead it takes a pro-Israeli slant and portrays Palestinians as guilty/evil and Israelis as innocent/good. This conflict is fundamentally about the removal of Palestinians from Palestine in order to create a pure Jewish state. Our government unshakable supports the related Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity in support of purifying this area of people God didn't choose.
How would you expect a fellow human being to react to heavily armed foreigners seizing their land, homes, bank accounts, farmland, businesses... and many other injustices, war crimes and crimes against humanity including restricting access to food, water, shelter and medicine? Do you believe they should wait passively for the UN to grant them freedom and justice while the US holds a UNSC veto?
I suggest you consider this Jewish Israeli's opinion regarding what's really going on here:
Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, or, democratic Israel at work - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
At what point do you believe that a human being suffering oppression and injustice can justify resorting violence to free themselves?
Palestinians and Arabs are people. Please read my post just above yours which describes what Palestinians endure on a daily basis. Consider that they've suffered this way for over 60 years, while people like yourself consider their struggle for freedom and justice as a death wish.
How would you expect a fellow human being to react to heavily armed foreigners seizing their land, homes, bank accounts, farmland, businesses... and many other injustices, war crimes and crimes against humanity including restricting access to food, water, shelter and medicine? Do you believe they should wait passively for the UN to grant them freedom and justice while the US holds a UNSC veto?
I suggest you consider this Jewish Israeli's opinion regarding what's really going on here:
Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, or, democratic Israel at work - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
At what point do you believe that a human being suffering oppression and injustice can justify resorting violence to free themselves?
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Just how mych danger are they in, the crowd is so far away they have to use scopes, not to mention the sturdy fence they are behind?
Israeli forces fire on Golan border protesters - YouTube
