Possibly becasue Israeli lobbyists "own" both the Democrats and Republicans. It's Saudi and Israeli money that ultimately puts a President in the White House. Subsequently, he's beholden to them
israel to still get paid despite the coming economic crash
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Huge difference. Israeli's live in Israel and tend to be extremely "hawkish". Jews are international and many of them could care less about Israel
Baloney.......
Two reason for US support of Israel:
The American people see Israel as a bastion of sanity in an Arab sea of despotism......a people and a democracy they can understand, isolated among America's enemies, and at best, its fair-weather friends, Thus they support Israel against all comers.
The American people, who are one of the most Christian people on earth, see the Jews (and therefore Israel) as a special case, the "Chosen People" as it were......it is not the votes of Jews, nor cash from Israel that keeps America on side....it is the people.
Throw the Jews (Israel) to the wolves, and you won't get elected. Simple as that. And as it should be, in a democracy.
"Its why imprisoning Palestinians in giant concetration camps will not lead to peace."
What do you consider a "giant concetration camp"?
If Israel fails, the only true democracy in the Mid-East will be gone.
What do you consider a "giant concetration camp"?
If Israel fails, the only true democracy in the Mid-East will be gone.
Wrong.
I'm not a Jew, and I'm reasonably well-informed.
I support Israel. Because it is a rule-of-law democracy, whereas its enemies are not. Full stop.
Most of the people I know that are well informed, educated and intelligent share this idealistic support of Usrael. No they are not dumber than you, the "sheeple" as you so arrogantly refer to them.....they are people that have looked at the facts, and come to a different conclusion than yourself.
That does not mean they are stupid, or politically unaware.
Nor does it mean they are manipulated........and BTW, they are the majority......the Liberals as well offer Israel support, just not as much as the CPC.......those two parties represent well over 60% of the voting public.
Manipulated people don't know they are manipulated. If they did, they wouldn't be manipulated.
The Iraq war is a perfect example.
Before the Iraq war, most people in Canada and the US supported the invasion, even though there was no proven justification. Most people had a manipulated perception of a imminent and serious Iraqi threat when in reality none existed. Most people had a minipulated perception of an uncooperative Iraq. Most people believed Iraq was hiding stockpiles of WMDs.
Even after these manipulations became self-evident, most people refused to believe the facts in plain sight or that they had been manipulated. How smart is that?
Be honest Colpy. Remember back to March 2003? I'll bet you were one of the people who believed Iraq was a threat and was hiding WMD stockpiles. You probably still believe Iraq never cooperated with the UN weapon inspectors. If Iraq never had any WMDs, then why would they refuse to cooperate? How can Iraq prove the non-existance of their WMD stockpiles?
Read the March 2003 UNSCOM report yourself. Blix described Iraq as proactively cooperating. No significant threat. No WMD stockpiles. All remaining disarmament issues to be resolved in months:
Security Council 7 March 2003
Yet two weeks later, Bush started the unprovoked invasion with majority support. Do you believe that most people who supported the war were informed and had accurate perceptions?
In 2004, 51% of Americans re-elected Bush after it was known that he started an unprovoked war crime against Iraq.
This isn't a new phenomenom. Hitler was also democratically elected like Bush. Most Germans supported his war crimes too, until it was too late.
The truth is most people don't know more than what their idiot box tells them. How informed is that?
Goreing was a war criminal. But in his last days he was honest.
With enough money, advertising and positive press, even SpongeBob Square Pants could win an election in Canada or the US. His animators could even convince a majority of people to support war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The Iraq war is a perfect example.
Before the Iraq war, most people in Canada and the US supported the invasion, even though there was no proven justification. Most people had a manipulated perception of a imminent and serious Iraqi threat when in reality none existed. Most people had a minipulated perception of an uncooperative Iraq. Most people believed Iraq was hiding stockpiles of WMDs.
Even after these manipulations became self-evident, most people refused to believe the facts in plain sight or that they had been manipulated. How smart is that?
Be honest Colpy. Remember back to March 2003? I'll bet you were one of the people who believed Iraq was a threat and was hiding WMD stockpiles. You probably still believe Iraq never cooperated with the UN weapon inspectors. If Iraq never had any WMDs, then why would they refuse to cooperate? How can Iraq prove the non-existance of their WMD stockpiles?
Read the March 2003 UNSCOM report yourself. Blix described Iraq as proactively cooperating. No significant threat. No WMD stockpiles. All remaining disarmament issues to be resolved in months:
Security Council 7 March 2003
Yet two weeks later, Bush started the unprovoked invasion with majority support. Do you believe that most people who supported the war were informed and had accurate perceptions?
In 2004, 51% of Americans re-elected Bush after it was known that he started an unprovoked war crime against Iraq.
This isn't a new phenomenom. Hitler was also democratically elected like Bush. Most Germans supported his war crimes too, until it was too late.
The truth is most people don't know more than what their idiot box tells them. How informed is that?
Goreing was a war criminal. But in his last days he was honest.
With enough money, advertising and positive press, even SpongeBob Square Pants could win an election in Canada or the US. His animators could even convince a majority of people to support war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Personally, I don't give a damn where the USA tosses its money. Just, don't gripe and throw hissy fits at anyone but whomever tossed it away when it's gone.
Bush again, he is gone. We are getting out of Iraq, get over it. Göring, time frame is really streatching it.
The thing is, why are you so sure that they are the ones being manipulated and you are not? If what you say is true, you wouldn't know if you were being manipulated so you can't possibly be sure that you aren't. That makes your opinions and views just as suspect as anyone else's.
I think Colpy's view on why Americans support Israel is accurate. Their system of government is similar, their views on women is similar... you can't ignore the cultural similarities and paint it all as a brainwashing campaign. An American feels they have more in common with someone from TelAviv than they do someone from Ramallah. Add the fear of Muslim extremism since 9/11 and it makes it almost impossible for most Americans to support people that would elect Hezbollah. Until more muslims become well integrated into American society, that view will persist.
It's not called the "State of Israel" for nothing. Aid is supposed to go for civil enhancement not to buy arms and fight wars.
Is israel broke and needs cash or are it's idealisms broken and require arms and blood to keep it toether?
Israel is like Humpty Dumpty...it fell off the wall and no matter how many horses or king's men they simply will never fix it through arms and soldiers.
Is israel broke and needs cash or are it's idealisms broken and require arms and blood to keep it toether?
Israel is like Humpty Dumpty...it fell off the wall and no matter how many horses or king's men they simply will never fix it through arms and soldiers.
Everyone has manipulated misperceptions to some degree including myself.
The best sources of objective information are non-government organizations, especially ones doing humanitarian work. I trust Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, the International Committee of the Red Cross....
I first figured out the news includes a lot of misinformation and propaganda back in the 1980's when the US supported terrorist acts and committed acts of war against the Nicaraguan government. I met a Nicaraguan refugee who survived an attack on his village by the US supported Contras. He told me things which completely contradicted the news. Turned out what I thought I knew was unrelated to the reality regarding Nicaragua. The truth was out there, I just had to look for it and apply critical thought.
If you want to make yourself resistant to propaganda, I would suggest that you familarize yourself with common propaganda techniques:
Propaganda Techniques
and read this book:
Manufacturing Consent
Also get your news from many sources: CBC, New York Times, BBC, Guardian, Washington Post, Al Jazeera, Haaretz, Jerusalem Post, Islam Online, Xinhua, Pravda...
No one source gives the whole picture. All news sources selectively withhold information and spin facts. But between them all, you get a more complete picture.
BTW, my reference to Bush and the start of the Iraq war was an example. What people believed and/or continue to believe about the Iraq war is a litmus test. Some people figured it out at the time. Some people figured it out years later. Some people still haven't figured it out.
All three kinds of people are here on this forum.
The best sources of objective information are non-government organizations, especially ones doing humanitarian work. I trust Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, the International Committee of the Red Cross....
I first figured out the news includes a lot of misinformation and propaganda back in the 1980's when the US supported terrorist acts and committed acts of war against the Nicaraguan government. I met a Nicaraguan refugee who survived an attack on his village by the US supported Contras. He told me things which completely contradicted the news. Turned out what I thought I knew was unrelated to the reality regarding Nicaragua. The truth was out there, I just had to look for it and apply critical thought.
If you want to make yourself resistant to propaganda, I would suggest that you familarize yourself with common propaganda techniques:
Propaganda Techniques
and read this book:
Manufacturing Consent
Also get your news from many sources: CBC, New York Times, BBC, Guardian, Washington Post, Al Jazeera, Haaretz, Jerusalem Post, Islam Online, Xinhua, Pravda...
No one source gives the whole picture. All news sources selectively withhold information and spin facts. But between them all, you get a more complete picture.
BTW, my reference to Bush and the start of the Iraq war was an example. What people believed and/or continue to believe about the Iraq war is a litmus test. Some people figured it out at the time. Some people figured it out years later. Some people still haven't figured it out.
All three kinds of people are here on this forum.
Absolutely....I considered it a continuation of the unfinished 1991 war. I approved. Death to Tyrants. The US screwed up mainly because of its naive idealism......they expected Iraqis to be thoroughly thrilled at the idea of their own liberation......and they didn't expect the level of sectarian violence.
I really didn't, and don't care. Most informed people are smart enough to NOT believe anything the UN says.......
Get off the war crime horse EAO....nobody cares what you label it with......nobody.
An offensive comparison, and untrue. The most Hitler ever won in an election was 44%, and that after murdering opponents, burning the Reichstag and blaming a shadowy and dangerous opposition of Jews and communists, and terrorizing candidates out of the race........and people from voting.
Simply not true, as repeatedly demonstrated by Stephen Forbes.