Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

Does Israel have the right to exist with secure borders free from attack


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CUBert

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It is obvious that you have no idea what the terms racist or bigot mean. None of them pertain to what is happening in the Mid-East. Just like the people in the land of Lilliput or the Irish Catholics and Protestant if you like. Just two people with similar backgrounds who cannot get along. I think cracking the egg from the sides is better.

You're confused
 

ironsides

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The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.
It's a booth you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. They see this as a win-win for everyone, with none of the whining about racial profiling. It also would eliminate the costs of long and expensive trials. Justice would be swift. Case closed!
You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system: "Attention standby passengers — we now have a seat available on flight number ____. Shalom."


If only. ;-)
 

Goober

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The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at the airports.
It's a booth you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. They see this as a win-win for everyone, with none of the whining about racial profiling. It also would eliminate the costs of long and expensive trials. Justice would be swift. Case closed!
You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system: "Attention standby passengers — we now have a seat available on flight number ____. Shalom."


If only. ;-)

Well ya know, some one thinks of something, sets it aside, before ya know it, on the market with a patent.
 

Colpy

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Goober

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Old news.
And Hamas Terrorists that use Human Shields are what?
But then some people abide and excuse that side of the events.

Wonder what their excuses would be had Hitler won the War and exterminated all Jews, Homosexuals, persons with handi-caps - the complet Slavic Race? And others that were deeemed to be Sub--Humans.

Christ on a Crutch - These people make the insane appear sane.
 

CUBert

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U.S. lawmakers approve $160B US for military
# Up to $75 million to train and equip Yemeni counterterrorism forces.
# $205 million for a program with Israel to develop its "Iron Dome" defence system,
# $11.6 billion for the development of the Afghan security forces, and $1.5 billion for Iraqi security forces.


Read more: CBC News - World - U.S. lawmakers approve $160B US for military



More recently, Tel Aviv University professor and noted military analyst Reuven Pedatzur believes that Iron Dome "is all a scam ... The flight-time of a Kassam rocket to Sderot is 14 seconds, while the time the Iron Dome needs to identify a target and fire is something like 15 seconds. This means it cannot defend against anything fired from fewer than five kilometers; but it probably couldn't defend against anything fired from 15 km (9 mi)., either." Pedatzur concludes that the massive disparity in the cost of the Iron Dome missiles ($100,000) and the typical Kassam rocket ($5) (his cost estimates) means that the Iron Dome "issue has no logic to it whatsoever."
Iron Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Colpy

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U.S. lawmakers approve $160B US for military
# Up to $75 million to train and equip Yemeni counterterrorism forces.
# $205 million for a program with Israel to develop its "Iron Dome" defence system,
# $11.6 billion for the development of the Afghan security forces, and $1.5 billion for Iraqi security forces.


Read more: CBC News - World - U.S. lawmakers approve $160B US for military



More recently, Tel Aviv University professor and noted military analyst Reuven Pedatzur believes that Iron Dome "is all a scam ... The flight-time of a Kassam rocket to Sderot is 14 seconds, while the time the Iron Dome needs to identify a target and fire is something like 15 seconds. This means it cannot defend against anything fired from fewer than five kilometers; but it probably couldn't defend against anything fired from 15 km (9 mi)., either." Pedatzur concludes that the massive disparity in the cost of the Iron Dome missiles ($100,000) and the typical Kassam rocket ($5) (his cost estimates) means that the Iron Dome "issue has no logic to it whatsoever."
Iron Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I agree.

Much more sensible in the long run to just carefully maintain the blockade, and when missiles are fired, simply go into Gaza and kill Hamas.
 

CUBert

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You don't have to be a military expert to recognize what a piece of garbage this "iron dome" is. So, WHY are Americans giving all this money to Israel so they can build some inefficient piece of trash?
 

Colpy

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You don't have to be a military expert to recognize what a piece of garbage this "iron dome" is. So, WHY are Americans giving all this money to Israel so they can build some inefficient piece of trash?

False hope laid at the door of technology, which everyone seems to perceive as some kind of god.

If Israel can stop rocket attacks, then Hamas will find it a waste of time to launch them, and Israel will be able to guarantee the safety of its citizens without making incursions into Gaza (or Lebanon) and avoid the military losses and disasterous PR costs of same.

Everybody happy!

Another Obama pipe dream. IMHO.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Does Israel have the right to exist? Absolutely. Does Palestine have the right to exist? Absolutely.

As soon as the Palestinians stop sending their children to die for no good reason at the urging of Arab states who don't give a Fiddlers F about them the sooner a two state solution will be achieved. As soon as people stop making excuses for acts of terrorism and labeling them as freedom fighters they will come to realize that all the rockets attacks from Hezbollah/Hamas, and all the suicide bombings from whatever martyrs brigade will never bring about peace.

Until they are no longer glorified by the weak of mind and used by those in the Arab Nations who regard them as vermin they will not have their state.

Anyone who backs the actions of Palestinian terrorism is enabling them to murder their own children.

Israel is going nowhere and their quest to push them into the sea is madness.
 

YukonJack

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It would be good to remember the words of Golda Mair who said something to the effect that there will be peace in the Middle East when Palestinians learn to have more love towards their children than hate they have towards Jews.
 

Goober

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Does Israel have the right to exist? Absolutely. Does Palestine have the right to exist? Absolutely.

As soon as the Palestinians stop sending their children to die for no good reason at the urging of Arab states who don't give a Fiddlers F about them the sooner a two state solution will be achieved. As soon as people stop making excuses for acts of terrorism and labeling them as freedom fighters they will come to realize that all the rockets attacks from Hezbollah/Hamas, and all the suicide bombings from whatever martyrs brigade will never bring about peace.

Until they are no longer glorified by the weak of mind and used by those in the Arab Nations who regard them as vermin they will not have their state.

Anyone who backs the actions of Palestinian terrorism is enabling them to murder their own children.

Israel is going nowhere and their quest to push them into the sea is madness.

For those that voted or do not know if Isreal has a right to exist. Tell me - What would happen to the Jews? I have a fair idea and it ain't pretty.

So step on up to the plate and tell us what you think now ya hear.
 

ironsides

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Anybody who tries to launch a missile attack against Israel will pay deeply, and in fact may cease to exist as a functional country for decades.


An Israeli Sniper Extends the Patriot Air Defense Capability
Israel's Air Force (IAF) air defense command is evaluating a long-range electro-optical target identification system developed under air-force and industry cooperation. An experimental system, dubbed 'Sniper' was recently deployed with one of the Israeli Patriot air-defense missile units, enabling the site positively identify missile or aircraft targets from long distances, thereby extending the system's effective range to the missile's kinematic range.
Commonly operating within restrictive 'rules of engagement', long-range air defense units such as the Patriot are limited in their ability to operate 'beyond visual range'. The missile unit's search radar continuously detect 'targets' and conducts an identification process that confirmed as 'friendly' or 'neutral', after being 'interrogated' by friend or foe (IFF) systems. However, potentially hostile targets cannot be classified as such by radar only, especially in operations 'other than war', requiring further, positive identification by electronic signal 'profiling' or visual confirmation.
Providing visual identification at extended range buys more decision time for the defender allowing for optimal employment of defensive measures, thus enabling target engagement at the maximum range provided by the interceptor.

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0808/sniper_for_patriot.html#more


Yossi Melman has revealed in Ha’aretz that the Iron Dome missile, developed at great expense and fanfare by Rafael Advanced Defence Systems, will not be used to protect the southern Israeli towns of Sderot and Ashkelon, the mission for which it was presumably developed. This in spite of a pledge by the Obama Administration to provide $205 million for its development and deployment. It is now apparent that Iron Dome will be instead used for army bases only in Israel and will be sold to Singapore, which partially funded its development.

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/12/what-does-israel%e2%80%99s-non-defense-of-poor-sderot-say-about-security-and-policy.html
 

Goober

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Anybody who tries to launch a missile attack against Israel will pay deeply, and in fact may cease to exist as a functional country for decades.


An Israeli Sniper Extends the Patriot Air Defense Capability
Israel's Air Force (IAF) air defense command is evaluating a long-range electro-optical target identification system developed under air-force and industry cooperation. An experimental system, dubbed 'Sniper' was recently deployed with one of the Israeli Patriot air-defense missile units, enabling the site positively identify missile or aircraft targets from long distances, thereby extending the system's effective range to the missile's kinematic range.
Commonly operating within restrictive 'rules of engagement', long-range air defense units such as the Patriot are limited in their ability to operate 'beyond visual range'. The missile unit's search radar continuously detect 'targets' and conducts an identification process that confirmed as 'friendly' or 'neutral', after being 'interrogated' by friend or foe (IFF) systems. However, potentially hostile targets cannot be classified as such by radar only, especially in operations 'other than war', requiring further, positive identification by electronic signal 'profiling' or visual confirmation.
Providing visual identification at extended range buys more decision time for the defender allowing for optimal employment of defensive measures, thus enabling target engagement at the maximum range provided by the interceptor.

http://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0808/sniper_for_patriot.html#more


Yossi Melman has revealed in Ha’aretz that the Iron Dome missile, developed at great expense and fanfare by Rafael Advanced Defence Systems, will not be used to protect the southern Israeli towns of Sderot and Ashkelon, the mission for which it was presumably developed. This in spite of a pledge by the Obama Administration to provide $205 million for its development and deployment. It is now apparent that Iron Dome will be instead used for army bases only in Israel and will be sold to Singapore, which partially funded its development.

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/12/what-does-israel%e2%80%99s-non-defense-of-poor-sderot-say-about-security-and-policy.html

And how well would it perform against ICBM's - That is the critical question.