Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

Does Israel have the right to exist with secure borders free from attack


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Colpy

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Washington has offered Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu 20 advanced US fighter jets as well as other tempting goodies if Israel agrees to extend its freeze on settlement construction in the West Bank.

Indeed, the offer from Washington is so tantalizing that even the Israeli media is calling it a “bribe.”

Netanyahu, who was in the United States last week to hammer out the details of the “compromise,” has been offered $3 billion (1 billion pounds) worth of advanced F-35 jets. These on top of the 20 F-35s Israel already plans to buy for $2.75 billion drawn from annual grants it gets from Washington.

In other words, Israel is slated to receive 40 advanced fighter jets – a package worth just under $6 billion dollars – absolutely free of charge courtesy of the US taxpayer.

Fighter jets and peace talks

It must seem ironic to some political observers that US President Barack Obama, who was awarded with the Nobel Peace Prize last year, is the same man who is indulging Israel with America’s most advanced fighter weapons of war to stay committed to the Middle East peace plan.

There is also the question of supplying Israel, albeit a valuable US ally, with so much expensive military hardware at the same time American citizens are forced to cut back on spending due to the financial crisis.

forgot the punchline:

quote: Indeed, the very fact that the United States has included a clause stating that it would not request further settlement freeze extensions in the future, while also declaring its intent to side with Israel in the face of any UN challenge does not seem to bode well for the immediate future of the peace talks.
i mean, can people even comprehend this? obama's "compromise" to israel is that they stop building settlements for 90 days, and in return they get billions of dollars worth of merchandise to murder palestinians with and they can continue to expand as much as they want in the west bank, forever. wow, this administration sure drives a hard bargain!!!!!!!!

the best part is what will probably happen is israel will reject the offer and obama will give them the military hardware and allow them to keep expanding indefinitely anyway

Yep.....Obama is screwing up everywhere..........this offer does seem to be somewhat ridiculous.........although, as Israel proved in the Gaza Strip, she WILL remove settlers forcibly if that is required.
 

petros

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Yep.....Obama is screwing up everywhere..........this offer does seem to be somewhat ridiculous.........although, as Israel proved in the Gaza Strip, she WILL remove settlers forcibly if that is required.
Good then hopefully some Israelis will kill some Israelis like last time.

Jesus was right.....
 

CUBert

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Yep.....Obama is screwing up everywhere..........this offer does seem to be somewhat ridiculous.........although, as Israel proved in the Gaza Strip, she WILL remove settlers forcibly if that is required.

You're offensive. Your entire system of ideals and beliefs are offensive and wrong.
 

CUBert

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You are an idiot, a troll, a hate-monger, and a piece of ****.

Your drawing breath is offensive and wrong.

Have a nice day.

i know you're lashing out because in your 50+ years of life you've consistently had wrong views and ideals. it's hard for you to comprehend or believe that you've been wrong your entire life.
 

CUBert

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According to Anti-Semites,
According to Nazi's,
According to Hamas,
Accoring to Hezbollah,
According to your humanity?


this is the half-wit's argument used against people who are opposed to israel. "you must be an anti-Semite."
 

Goober

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this is the half-wit's argument used against people who are opposed to israel. "you must be an anti-Semite."
Really - Half wit - Really put some thought into that one now.

Really - Half wit - Really put some thought into that one now.
pS

Your words

the best part is what will probably happen is israel will reject the offer and obama will give them the military hardware and allow them to keep expanding indefinitely anyway

construct some sort of sci-fi dome structure over the gaza strip and west bank capable of withstanding the heat of a thousand suns and cleanse the zionist cockroaches from the face of the earth with nuclear fire

So the question is what you fall into.

According to Anti-Semites,
According to Nazi's,
According to Hamas,
Accoring to Hezbollah,
According to your humanity?
 

Colpy

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http://rt.com/politics/america-israel-jets-bribes/

construct some sort of sci-fi dome structure over the gaza strip and west bank capable of withstanding the heat of a thousand suns and cleanse the zionist cockroaches from the face of the earth with nuclear fire

this is the half-wit's argument used against people who are opposed to israel. "you must be an anti-Semite."

no, i'm against of Zionism, not judaism.

You advocate the murder of another 5 and one half million Jews, yet claim not to be a Jew hater.

It is to laugh.

(to say nothing of over one million Arab Israeli citizens)

Tell me, how many Arabs do you think have died in the ME conflict with Israel?????? In the last 70 years?

In four all-out wars, every little conflict, the "occupation', every thing................how big do you think this is??

The answer is that, at MOST, 150,000 have died...........total....on BOTH sides..........about 90% of them Arab.

That includes an completely unsubstantiated accusation of 50,000 Arab civilians.

So.....you want to murder seven million..................as a solution to the problem.

You are not sane.....not even close.

Damn I hate Nazis.
 

CUBert

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You're more racist and bigoted than anyone on here.
You should probably recognize that before calling people Nazis.
 

Goober

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You're more racist and bigoted than anyone on here.
You should probably recognize that before calling people Nazis.

Oh yes some other info for you as well.

Do you see Palestine in the early stages of sovereignity it the Middle East

List of sovereign states by date of formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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PakistanFirst state founded by the ancient Indus Valley Civilization, which was likely an early kingdom or republic of some sort. "The regular planning of the streets, the layout of cities and the common weights and measures suggest a single state covering the entire area."[1] The first unified state incorporating the majority of modern India, was founded under the Maurya dynasty by Emperor Chandragupta Maurya in 322 BC. Re-unification occurred in 1600 under the Mughal dynasty by Akbar the Great. Became part of the British Empire in 1757. Independence declared in 1947. Modern Pakistan was subsequently established on August 14, 1947 and the modern Republic of India was established on 26 January 19502070 BCChinaFirst state founded by the quasi-legendary Xia Dynasty, which was allegedly the beginning of Chinese hereditary monarchy until Xinhai Revolution in 1911, after a period of Neolithic cultures, according to historical texts. First archeologically confirmed state was the Shang dynasty. The first unified state incorporating the majority of modern China, was founded under the Qin dynasty by Emperor Qin Shi Huangdi in 221 BC. On 1 January 1912, the Republic of China succeeded the Qing Dynasty, but was itself forced to retreat to Taiwan and other islands after its defeat in the Chinese Civil War to the communists in 1949. The latter established the People's Republic of China on the mainland on 1 October 1949, and both governments continue to lay claim to be the successor state of all China1300 BCGeorgiaGeorgian Kingdom - Colchis was formed as a result of the increasing consolidation of the tribes inhabiting the Western Georgian Area. Colchis is sometimes mentioned with original Georgian names: კოლხეთი (Kolkheti) and ეგრისი (Egrisi) or also with ancient Greek name Κολχίς (Kolkis). This kingdom is described in Greek mythology as the destination of the Argonauts. Colchis is a homeland of Golden Fleece. The most significant thing is that the language of Colchians is still alive and widely used among Western Georgians. The modern Georgia declared independence from the USSR in April 9, 19911020 BCIsraelUnification under the Kingdom of Israel by King Saul of Israel, occurred after former slaves migrated away from the Egyptian Empire. The land was subsequently conquered by Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Sassandians, European Christians and Muslims. The Turkish Ottoman Empire annexed the area in the 1500s, until the British Empire took over administration after World War I. An irredentist movement sought to create a new state. The modern State of Israel was established on 14 May 1948 from League of Nations mandate under British administration after independence from the British Empire.
 

ironsides

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You're more racist and bigoted than anyone on here.
You should probably recognize that before calling people Nazis.


It is obvious that you have no idea what the terms racist or bigot mean. None of them pertain to what is happening in the Mid-East. Just like the people in the land of Lilliput or the Irish Catholics and Protestant if you like. Just two people with similar backgrounds who cannot get along. I think cracking the egg from the sides is better.