Israel - The Right to exist as a State?
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Israel - The Right to exist as a StateFrom 1948 onward, many Arab/Muslim countries were openly at war with Israel. From their viewpoint, supporting or financing Israel would be considered treasonous and viewed about the same as how the Canadian government would view supporting or financing a terrorist organization.
POINT - AllJews were treated as emenies - because - wait for it they were Jewish - The Arab States used the hatred of Jews in the same way that Germany did in the lead up to WW2 - special laws were passed - Jews emigrating lost - in most cases - everything they owned.
Many Arab/Muslim governments have laws which allows the state to seize the assets of citizens who openly support and finance enemy states including Israel. According to the wikipedia article I referenced previously, 90% Jews emigrating from these countries were able to sell their property first. Many of them ended up in Israel and those of military age served in the Israeli military. Many Arab/Muslim countries consider their actions treasonous and fellow citizens were about as hostile to Israeli supporters as Canadians are today regarding people who support the Taliban and al Qaeda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands
POINTexpulsion and mass departure of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Islamic countries. The migration started in the late 19th century, but accelerated after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.It is estimated that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were either forced from their homes or left the Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s; 260,000 reached Israel between 1948–1951, and 600,000 by 1972.[1][2][3] The Jews of Egypt and Libya were expelled while those of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and North Africa left as a result of physical and political insecurity. Most were forced to abandon their property.[2] By 2002, these Jews and their descendants constituted about 40% of Israel's population.[3] One of the main representative bodies of this group, the World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries, (WOJAC) estimates that Jewish property abandoned in Arab countries would be valued today at more than $300 billion[4][5] and Jewish-owned real-estate left behind in Arab lands at 100,000 square kilometers (four times the size of the state of Israel).[1][5] The organization asserts that the Jewish exodus was the result of a deliberate policy decision taken by the Arab League.[6]
http://wojac.com/history.html
Between 1948 and 1951 there were two refugee movements in the Middle East. One was the exodus of about 600,000 Arabs from the Palestinian areas that became Israel. The second was the movement of about 1 million Jews from Arab countries into Israel. Palestinian refugees were enticed by Arab countries to leave their homes while eight Arab armies invaded the newly established Jewish state. The Arab League passed two resolutions in 1949. One prohibited Arab governments from giving citizenship to Palestinian Arab refugees. The second ordered Arab governments to facilitate the expulsion of Jews living in Arab countries. The following table reflects the drastic change in populations of Jews in Arab countries and in Israel in 1948 and in 2004.
http://www.meforum.org/263/why-jews-fled-the-arab-countries
POINTHeykal Pasha then elaborated on his threat:
A million Jews live in peace in Egypt [and other Muslim countries] and enjoy all rights of citizenship. They have no desire to emigrate to Palestine. However, if a Jewish State were established, nobody could prevent disorders. Riots would break out in Palestine, would spread through all the Arab states and might lead to a war between two races.1Heykal Pasha's thinly veiled threats of "grave disorders," "massacre," "riots," and "war between two races" did not at the time go unnoticed by Jews;2 for them, it had the same ring as the proposition made six years earlier by the Palestinian leader Hajj Amin al-Husayni to Hitler of a "final solution" for the Jews of Arab countries, including Palestine. But the statement appears to have made no lasting impression, to the point that a historian of the Jews in Egypt has described Heykal Pasha as "a well-known liberal."3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
1949–1967Before the adoption by the United Nations of Resolution 181 in November 1947 and the declaration of the State of Israel in May 1948, several Arab countries adopted discriminatory measures against their local Jewish populations.[22][23] There were riots in Yemen and Syria. In Libya, Jews were deprived of citizenship, and in Iraq, their property was seized.[24] As a result, a large number of Jews were forced to emigrate from Arab lands, although many also emigrated for ideological reasons.[25] Over 700,000 Jews emigrated to Israel between 1948 and 1952, with approximately 285,000 of them from Arab countries.[26][25] Overall, about 850,000 Jews had left the Arab World by the early 1970s (according to official Arab documentation), with many of them leaving their property behind.[27] Today, these displaced Jews and their descendants represent 41% of the total population of Israel. For details, see Jewish exodus from Arab lands.
Israel - The Right to exist as a StateFrom 1948 onward, many Arab/Muslim countries were openly at war with Israel. From their viewpoint, supporting or financing Israel would be considered treasonous and viewed about the same as how the Canadian government would view supporting or financing a terrorist organization.
POINT - AllJews were treated as emenies - because - wait for it they were Jewish - The Arab States used the hatred of Jews in the same way that Germany did in the lead up to WW2 - special laws were passed - Jews emigrating lost - in most cases - everything they owned.
Many Arab/Muslim governments have laws which allows the state to seize the assets of citizens who openly support and finance enemy states including Israel. According to the wikipedia article I referenced previously, 90% Jews emigrating from these countries were able to sell their property first. Many of them ended up in Israel and those of military age served in the Israeli military. Many Arab/Muslim countries consider their actions treasonous and fellow citizens were about as hostile to Israeli supporters as Canadians are today regarding people who support the Taliban and al Qaeda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands
POINTexpulsion and mass departure of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Islamic countries. The migration started in the late 19th century, but accelerated after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.It is estimated that 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were either forced from their homes or left the Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s; 260,000 reached Israel between 1948–1951, and 600,000 by 1972.[1][2][3] The Jews of Egypt and Libya were expelled while those of Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and North Africa left as a result of physical and political insecurity. Most were forced to abandon their property.[2] By 2002, these Jews and their descendants constituted about 40% of Israel's population.[3] One of the main representative bodies of this group, the World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries, (WOJAC) estimates that Jewish property abandoned in Arab countries would be valued today at more than $300 billion[4][5] and Jewish-owned real-estate left behind in Arab lands at 100,000 square kilometers (four times the size of the state of Israel).[1][5] The organization asserts that the Jewish exodus was the result of a deliberate policy decision taken by the Arab League.[6]
http://wojac.com/history.html
Between 1948 and 1951 there were two refugee movements in the Middle East. One was the exodus of about 600,000 Arabs from the Palestinian areas that became Israel. The second was the movement of about 1 million Jews from Arab countries into Israel. Palestinian refugees were enticed by Arab countries to leave their homes while eight Arab armies invaded the newly established Jewish state. The Arab League passed two resolutions in 1949. One prohibited Arab governments from giving citizenship to Palestinian Arab refugees. The second ordered Arab governments to facilitate the expulsion of Jews living in Arab countries. The following table reflects the drastic change in populations of Jews in Arab countries and in Israel in 1948 and in 2004.
http://www.meforum.org/263/why-jews-fled-the-arab-countries
POINTHeykal Pasha then elaborated on his threat:
A million Jews live in peace in Egypt [and other Muslim countries] and enjoy all rights of citizenship. They have no desire to emigrate to Palestine. However, if a Jewish State were established, nobody could prevent disorders. Riots would break out in Palestine, would spread through all the Arab states and might lead to a war between two races.1Heykal Pasha's thinly veiled threats of "grave disorders," "massacre," "riots," and "war between two races" did not at the time go unnoticed by Jews;2 for them, it had the same ring as the proposition made six years earlier by the Palestinian leader Hajj Amin al-Husayni to Hitler of a "final solution" for the Jews of Arab countries, including Palestine. But the statement appears to have made no lasting impression, to the point that a historian of the Jews in Egypt has described Heykal Pasha as "a well-known liberal."3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
1949–1967Before the adoption by the United Nations of Resolution 181 in November 1947 and the declaration of the State of Israel in May 1948, several Arab countries adopted discriminatory measures against their local Jewish populations.[22][23] There were riots in Yemen and Syria. In Libya, Jews were deprived of citizenship, and in Iraq, their property was seized.[24] As a result, a large number of Jews were forced to emigrate from Arab lands, although many also emigrated for ideological reasons.[25] Over 700,000 Jews emigrated to Israel between 1948 and 1952, with approximately 285,000 of them from Arab countries.[26][25] Overall, about 850,000 Jews had left the Arab World by the early 1970s (according to official Arab documentation), with many of them leaving their property behind.[27] Today, these displaced Jews and their descendants represent 41% of the total population of Israel. For details, see Jewish exodus from Arab lands.
EAO
Perhaps you should do some checking before you go and put that foot in your mouth again -
Remember - You only have room for 1 foot at a time -
You have the audacity or outright stupidity to hold up Iran as an example for Human Rights -
That Jewish hatred of your runs long and deep -
Note: Iran is an example of a Muslim country which allowed Jewish citizens to immigrate to Israel freely until the Islamic Revolution in 1978-79. Since then, Iran has poor relations with Israel. Many Persian Jews chose to remain in Iran and officially they face little to no government harassment. I sure these people have to deal with ignorant bigots, but their minority rights are protected by Iranian law.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iran
Non-Muslim minorities have been shrinking in the past few decades as they have been emigrating and leaving Iran.[citation needed] About 11,000 to 40,000 Jews remain in Iran today, still being the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside Israel, but it stood at about 100,000 before the Islamic Revolution. Zoroastrian, and Christian communities are seeing similar contraction.[citation needed] Today, there are about 8,000 Assyrian Christians in Iran, who belong to the Chaldean Catholic Church.
Perhaps you should do some checking before you go and put that foot in your mouth again -
Remember - You only have room for 1 foot at a time -
You have the audacity or outright stupidity to hold up Iran as an example for Human Rights -
That Jewish hatred of your runs long and deep -
Note: Iran is an example of a Muslim country which allowed Jewish citizens to immigrate to Israel freely until the Islamic Revolution in 1978-79. Since then, Iran has poor relations with Israel. Many Persian Jews chose to remain in Iran and officially they face little to no government harassment. I sure these people have to deal with ignorant bigots, but their minority rights are protected by Iranian law.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iran
Non-Muslim minorities have been shrinking in the past few decades as they have been emigrating and leaving Iran.[citation needed] About 11,000 to 40,000 Jews remain in Iran today, still being the largest Jewish community in the Middle East outside Israel, but it stood at about 100,000 before the Islamic Revolution. Zoroastrian, and Christian communities are seeing similar contraction.[citation needed] Today, there are about 8,000 Assyrian Christians in Iran, who belong to the Chaldean Catholic Church.
Yes Israel has the right to exist, even in the most Egypt, they are being driven out again.
"With Egypt’s native-born Jewish community now numbering fewer than 100, the diaspora and government officials alike are wondering whose duty it is to preserve the heritage of the nation’s smallest religious minority."
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"With Egypt’s native-born Jewish community now numbering fewer than 100, the diaspora and government officials alike are wondering whose duty it is to preserve the heritage of the nation’s smallest religious minority."
et - Full Story
Well I'm confused by the question which seems to allude to racial discrimination against a religious faction. Also it is a well established fact that a small group of billionaires, six or seven at the most, who incidentally profess to share a religion have self identified as the proud owner operators of ninty percent or more of North American media. Would you like a long list of links in which these people freely discuss their business acumen?
I am still trying to figure our what "the fact they don't own the media like the Jews do." really means. At face value it is a anti Semitic statement. What does being Jewish have to do with owning media outlets? The majority of people of the Jewish faith, are of just average income like everyone else. They are poor, and yes they are rich.
coffee cream
chocolate chip cookies
hi karate deodorant
Shreddies
frenches mustard
yellow eyed beans
649 ticket
industrial strength condoms
flat o beer
sugar cubes
mouse traps
rubber glove
small tomato paste
The fact that somebody needs to explain it to you says something in itself. It simply means history is written by the victors. That is what is being done these days. Too bad the world changed so much from the 1880's. It like the kids of today hearing rock from the 50's (in full mono). 2 seconds is about the full length of that program before the words "Enough of this." comes out.
Goober
If debates were won by insults, slander and misinformation, they I'd have to admit, you have me beat. If they were won by falsely attributing statements, again you have me beat there too.
I've never made a single derogatory remark against any religion including Judaism. I'm agnostic and hold no ill will against any religion. I respect the right of all people to practice their religion or to have no religion. I'm confident that most people with a brain can see right through your slanderous anti-Semitic accusations against me.
Regarding Iran, I never held up this country up as an example for Human Rights enlightenment. What I said was that Persian Jews don't face official government persecution, which is true.
About half of Iran's Jewish community left around the time of the Islamic revolution, mostly due to uncertainty about the future. Since then Iran's Jewish community has resumed its growth and today it is thriving. Iran has many human rights problems, but government persecution of Jews is not one of them.
Iran does not deliberately block food and medicine from reaching hungry and sick Persian Jews. Iran does not illegally seize their property. Iran does not bomb Persian Jews with chemical weapons. Iran does not abduct Persian Jewish children and detain them in pits next to tanks and artillery as they shell Persian Jewish neighborhoods. Iran is not trying to discretely cleanse itself of its Jewish citizens. Overall, Iran's treatment of their Jewish citizens is far better than Israel's treatment of their Palestinian non-citizens.
If you were truly concerned about human rights, you'd condemn Israel's gross human rights violations which meet the definition of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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If debates were won by insults, slander and misinformation, they I'd have to admit, you have me beat. If they were won by falsely attributing statements, again you have me beat there too.
I've never made a single derogatory remark against any religion including Judaism. I'm agnostic and hold no ill will against any religion. I respect the right of all people to practice their religion or to have no religion. I'm confident that most people with a brain can see right through your slanderous anti-Semitic accusations against me.
Regarding Iran, I never held up this country up as an example for Human Rights enlightenment. What I said was that Persian Jews don't face official government persecution, which is true.
About half of Iran's Jewish community left around the time of the Islamic revolution, mostly due to uncertainty about the future. Since then Iran's Jewish community has resumed its growth and today it is thriving. Iran has many human rights problems, but government persecution of Jews is not one of them.
Iran does not deliberately block food and medicine from reaching hungry and sick Persian Jews. Iran does not illegally seize their property. Iran does not bomb Persian Jews with chemical weapons. Iran does not abduct Persian Jewish children and detain them in pits next to tanks and artillery as they shell Persian Jewish neighborhoods. Iran is not trying to discretely cleanse itself of its Jewish citizens. Overall, Iran's treatment of their Jewish citizens is far better than Israel's treatment of their Palestinian non-citizens.
If you were truly concerned about human rights, you'd condemn Israel's gross human rights violations which meet the definition of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
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Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Draw your own conclusions, if your not Muslim, bad things may happen.
Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Draw your own conclusions, if your not Muslim, bad things may happen.
Human rights in the Israel and the Occupied Territories
Human rights in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Draw your own conclusions, if you are not Jewish, bad things will happen.
Or you can read the Goldstone Report:
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48.pdf
Human rights in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Draw your own conclusions, if you are not Jewish, bad things will happen.
Or you can read the Goldstone Report:
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48.pdf
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No - Cannot answer a hard question - made it easy - No straw man at all - where would you prefer to be tried?
"as I had no replies" bang, you're dead.
Take at least 3 deep breaths before replying to this post.