Israel give Islam a run for its' money
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Bull...........
More Bull......
You two compare muslim extremists who consistently stone women who will not wear the burqa or hang gays or blow up school buses with consistency to someone who gets a reprimand for wearing the wrong clothing in what they consider a holy place..You two either have your head so far up your a ss that you can't see anything or you're trolling
Discrimination based upon gender is still discrimination based upon gender regardless of how it's done.
Extreme Jews, extreme Muzzies. All the same in my eyes but not your's.
That's too bad.
So discrimination is ok as long as nobody is getting stoned to death? Or are you saying some discrimination is good? Please clarify your stance because right now you're just being pissy because the beloved Jews are exposing themselves as backward and discriminatory as much as Muslims and you don't like that. Being arrested and thrown in jail, and god knows what other punishments at home, for wearing a prayer shawl in a public place may not be quite the same as being beheaded but it isn't much different either.
They love gays in Israel. It's a fact!
Hundreds of haredim riot against gay parade in J'lem
Protest against upcoming gay pride parade in capital becomes violent as hundreds of ultra-Orthodox gather on main traffic route in town, block road, torch trash cans and throw stones. Four policemen hurt by stone throwing
Several hundreds haredi rioters blocked one of Jerusalem's main traffic routes, road number one connecting the western and eastern parts of the city, Tuesday evening, in protest of the plan to hold the gay pride parade in the capital next Friday.
Four policemen were lightly injured from rocks thrown by Haredi rioters and received medical treatment at the scene.
The Jerusalem police have detained nine haredim during the protests.
The demonstration started out as a march from the Zupnik building, which houses the haredi public's court, that proceeded towards the Shabbat Square along the Meah Shearim Street. The protesters shouted out "gewalt!" throughout the rally.
The march was led by the elders of the haredi community, who arrived wearing sack cloths, which are a sign of mourning, and carrying signs saying: "The ultra-Orthodox Judaism is begging – save Jerusalem from shame and catastrophe," and "Jerusalem will not be like Sodom and Gomorrah."
When they reached road number 1, on Shivtei Yisrael Street, the rioters began overturning garbage cans, torching some of them, and blocking the road with garbage containers. They then sat down on the road in order to disrupt traffic, and some even began hurling stones.
Residents call police 'Nazis'
Large police forces, including policemen mounted on horses and motorbikes, were dispatched to the scene and forced the protesters away from the road. Many residents of the haredi neighborhood gathered on the surrounding balconies to watch the events, and some called the officers "Nazis."
Trash cans overturned (Photo: Gil Yohanan)
Simultaneously, the haredi neighborhoods across the city have been flooded Tuesday with posters calling for a prayer rally and a public reading of the book of Psalms on day of the pride parade.
At the same time, the police decided to raise their alert level across the country and declare an emergency situation next Friday, due to the gay parade.
Police Chief Moshe Karadi held a meeting at his office Tuesday to discuss preparations ahead of the parade. The commander of the Jerusalem district, Major General Ilan Franco, also attended the meeting.
Due to fears that the parade will provoke violent incidents, Karadi instructed that the activity in districts throughout the country be boosted and that unites will be reinforced.
Rotten eggs on roofs, dummy-bombings
Although the parade will take place in the capital, the police are concerned that rioters will attempt to block roads in other places as well, and therefore large scale deployment is planned.
Some 9,000 policemen will be stationed across Jerusalem next Friday, to secure the parade, handle traffic and counter attempts to sabotage the event.
According to information received by the Jerusalem police, the objectors to the parade intend to place crates of rotten eggs on rooftops, flood the sewage system, carry out dummy-bombings, demonstrate and block traffic routes throughout the country.
The police are also worried that extreme haredi elements will target public venues and traffic routes, and harm public institutions.
Hundreds of haredim riot against gay parade in J'lem
Protest against upcoming gay pride parade in capital becomes violent as hundreds of ultra-Orthodox gather on main traffic route in town, block road, torch trash cans and throw stones. Four policemen hurt by stone throwing
Several hundreds haredi rioters blocked one of Jerusalem's main traffic routes, road number one connecting the western and eastern parts of the city, Tuesday evening, in protest of the plan to hold the gay pride parade in the capital next Friday.
Four policemen were lightly injured from rocks thrown by Haredi rioters and received medical treatment at the scene.
The Jerusalem police have detained nine haredim during the protests.
The demonstration started out as a march from the Zupnik building, which houses the haredi public's court, that proceeded towards the Shabbat Square along the Meah Shearim Street. The protesters shouted out "gewalt!" throughout the rally.
The march was led by the elders of the haredi community, who arrived wearing sack cloths, which are a sign of mourning, and carrying signs saying: "The ultra-Orthodox Judaism is begging – save Jerusalem from shame and catastrophe," and "Jerusalem will not be like Sodom and Gomorrah."
When they reached road number 1, on Shivtei Yisrael Street, the rioters began overturning garbage cans, torching some of them, and blocking the road with garbage containers. They then sat down on the road in order to disrupt traffic, and some even began hurling stones.
Residents call police 'Nazis'
Large police forces, including policemen mounted on horses and motorbikes, were dispatched to the scene and forced the protesters away from the road. Many residents of the haredi neighborhood gathered on the surrounding balconies to watch the events, and some called the officers "Nazis."
Trash cans overturned (Photo: Gil Yohanan)
Simultaneously, the haredi neighborhoods across the city have been flooded Tuesday with posters calling for a prayer rally and a public reading of the book of Psalms on day of the pride parade.
At the same time, the police decided to raise their alert level across the country and declare an emergency situation next Friday, due to the gay parade.
Police Chief Moshe Karadi held a meeting at his office Tuesday to discuss preparations ahead of the parade. The commander of the Jerusalem district, Major General Ilan Franco, also attended the meeting.
Due to fears that the parade will provoke violent incidents, Karadi instructed that the activity in districts throughout the country be boosted and that unites will be reinforced.
Rotten eggs on roofs, dummy-bombings
Although the parade will take place in the capital, the police are concerned that rioters will attempt to block roads in other places as well, and therefore large scale deployment is planned.
Some 9,000 policemen will be stationed across Jerusalem next Friday, to secure the parade, handle traffic and counter attempts to sabotage the event.
According to information received by the Jerusalem police, the objectors to the parade intend to place crates of rotten eggs on rooftops, flood the sewage system, carry out dummy-bombings, demonstrate and block traffic routes throughout the country.
The police are also worried that extreme haredi elements will target public venues and traffic routes, and harm public institutions.
Where does it say anything about being arrested and thrown in jail? I see "detained and released". Sounds more like a measure to appease the whiny Othie extremists.
From your own link...
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Again from tour own link...
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And you compare that with muzzie rigid rules and stonings??????:roll:
Even a mule has more common sense........
Analysis / The ultra-Orthodox are returning Israel to the middle ages
In a country established on the principle of integrating Jews from all over the world, the ultra-Orthodox have become a leading force behind racism and division in Israeli society.
From week to week, month to month, and year to year, our situation is getting bleaker. They do what their rabbinical leader tells them to do. They don't recognize the authority of the state, or its institutions or laws, aside that which is related to the government's coffers.
They don't recognize the national anthem or the Israeli flag. They don't recognize methods of birth control, and instead fulfill the religious commandment of being fruitful. They educate their offspring to hate the state.
In a country established on the principle of integrating Jews from all over the world - which succeeded rather well in terms of the secular society - the ultra-Orthodox have become a leading force behind racism and division in Israeli society.
When former Sephardi chief rabbi and Shas spiritual leader Ovadia Yosef - whose children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have studied and continue to study at Ashkenazi educational institutions - calls for the Sephardi public to send their children exclusively to Sephardi institutions, he is sowing the seeds of racism. And his reasoning is that anyone who studies at an Ashkenazi school "will have an Ashkenazi mind."
For a country working to bring Jews from around the world together, the Haredim are taking us back to the Middle Ages. "Racism" of this kind has almost entirely disappeared within the secular community. A huge number of "mixed" marriages are seen throughout the country, with the question of which community the bride or groom is from almost a thing of the past - or at least on the path to extinction.
Haredi racism is an abscess on Israeli society that needs to be removed as soon as possible. As it appears impossible to solve, and as if it's only getting worse, I am left with no other way to put an end to this other than reference to a poem by the German poet Heinrich Heine: "Rabbi Yehuda, a man of Navarre, and a Franciscan father by the name of Jose, in Toledo stand before Don Pedro (known as "the cruel" ) and beside him his wife Donna Blanca, on the question of whose God is greater. At the end of the debate, Don Pedro asks his wife for advice. I don't know who is right, she said, putting her hand on her forehead in thought and saying, 'But if the rabbi and the priest could both move back a little; both of them stink.'"
Analysis / The ultra-Orthodox are returning Israel to the middle ages - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
February 09, 2013
Haredim Sexually Abuse Children Because They Don't Know It Is A Crime, Attorney Says
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e2017ee85f9204970d-popup"After years of familiarity with this area, my theory is that many ultra-Orthodox commit these acts because they are unaware that a specific act is a crime and because a lack of awareness of the punishments associated with these crimes. In the secular world, there is a crime, there's a criminal, he's caught and punished and the news is relayed through newspapers and television The message is clear. In the ultra-Orthodox community, the media doesn't report [such crimes]. There's no newspaper or other place to hear about what happened to some ultra-Orthodox person who committed a crime even if they were punished, no one knows what happened to them. The neighbors think that they moved abroad. One of the goals of punishment is deterrence, but there is none in the ultra-Orthodox public. There is always someone will hide things."
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e2017d40ead241970c-popup
Ha'aretz has an article on the alleged rape of a 5-year-old girl in the haredi town Modi'in IIllit. As you may remember, the supervisor of the town's kindergartens reported the rape; she now claims she made up the story because she has seen so many cases of child sexual abuse, she decided to create a storm over the issue to get haredim to focus on it.
Police aren't yet sure whether or not the rape took place, although they appear to have evidence that it did.
Ha'aretz talks to anti-abuse activists who think the ploy – if that is what it is – was a stunning success because, as one of them, attorney Rivka Schwartz, noted:
Ha'aretz also discusses the Nachlaot ritual child sex abuse panic, but does so without correctly reporting the facts:
At the same time, a mentally ill rape victim known for smearing people she doesn't like (and for smearing others she doesn't have any real hostility to but who become collateral damage) began to incite Nachlaot's parents against some of these people.
Haredim are great lovers of conspiracy theories because, for the most part, haredim do not think logically. Their education tells them to believe the stories that science and history prove wrong, to deny the reality around them in order to make the Torah literally true. It is not a great leap from believing the universe is literally less than 6,000 years old or that a talking donkey argued with an evil prophet to believing that there is a ring of more than one dozen pedophiles who use children in sexual rituals and hide ther evidence in secret tunnels running between their houses.
On the other hand, Israel police were woefully slow in responding to parents complaints as was social services.
This toxic combination created the panic.
As for change in Israel's haredi community, the truth is that haredim who want to fight the haredi community's status quo on dealing with child sexual abuse in Israel, the UK and other locations outside the US have been encouraged and emboldened by what anti-haredi-child-sexual-abuse activists have been able to accomplish in the US.
Schwartz believes haredim molest because they don't know it is crime to do so:
Every haredi man knows that **** sex between two males is a serious crime in halakha. Every haredi man knows that secular society punishes child sexual abuse.
What Schwartz may be trying to say is that in child sexual abuse cases where there is no **** penetration, halakha has not much to say about it. "Spilling seed" – a male orgasm when his ***** is not inside a woman's ****** – is a crime in halakha (with some exceptions for married couples). But that crime is not punished by man. There is no beit din, Jewish court, proceeding, no fine, no reparations paid to the victim, no imprisonment, no lashing, no stoning. The crime is sin, and the sin is punished by God alone.
In other words, child sexual abuse without penetration is a sin like masturbation is a sin. And despite the kabbalistic claims about the severity of masturbation, halakhicly it is no big deal. And neiter is child sexual abuse.
This is, in essence, what Rabbi Manis Friedman claimed and what Rabbi Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg claimed before him.
Haredim do need to be made to understand that secular law will not tolerate this, that sexual abuse of children will be punished to the fullest extent of our laws – not theirs.
The way to do this is to put more haredi pedophiles behind bars and to prosecute and imprison the haredi rabbis and community activists who try to obstruct justice.
But Schwartz is right about one thing – the haredi media and the rabbis who control it are complicit in these crimes.
One of the ways we will know that true change has taken place will be that haredi newspapers, websites and radio stations accurately and completely report all haredi child sexual abuse cases. So far, the haredi media has reported none of them.
In a country established on the principle of integrating Jews from all over the world, the ultra-Orthodox have become a leading force behind racism and division in Israeli society.
From week to week, month to month, and year to year, our situation is getting bleaker. They do what their rabbinical leader tells them to do. They don't recognize the authority of the state, or its institutions or laws, aside that which is related to the government's coffers.
They don't recognize the national anthem or the Israeli flag. They don't recognize methods of birth control, and instead fulfill the religious commandment of being fruitful. They educate their offspring to hate the state.
In a country established on the principle of integrating Jews from all over the world - which succeeded rather well in terms of the secular society - the ultra-Orthodox have become a leading force behind racism and division in Israeli society.
When former Sephardi chief rabbi and Shas spiritual leader Ovadia Yosef - whose children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren have studied and continue to study at Ashkenazi educational institutions - calls for the Sephardi public to send their children exclusively to Sephardi institutions, he is sowing the seeds of racism. And his reasoning is that anyone who studies at an Ashkenazi school "will have an Ashkenazi mind."
For a country working to bring Jews from around the world together, the Haredim are taking us back to the Middle Ages. "Racism" of this kind has almost entirely disappeared within the secular community. A huge number of "mixed" marriages are seen throughout the country, with the question of which community the bride or groom is from almost a thing of the past - or at least on the path to extinction.
Haredi racism is an abscess on Israeli society that needs to be removed as soon as possible. As it appears impossible to solve, and as if it's only getting worse, I am left with no other way to put an end to this other than reference to a poem by the German poet Heinrich Heine: "Rabbi Yehuda, a man of Navarre, and a Franciscan father by the name of Jose, in Toledo stand before Don Pedro (known as "the cruel" ) and beside him his wife Donna Blanca, on the question of whose God is greater. At the end of the debate, Don Pedro asks his wife for advice. I don't know who is right, she said, putting her hand on her forehead in thought and saying, 'But if the rabbi and the priest could both move back a little; both of them stink.'"
Analysis / The ultra-Orthodox are returning Israel to the middle ages - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
You're in over your head old man.
February 09, 2013
Haredim Sexually Abuse Children Because They Don't Know It Is A Crime, Attorney Says
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e2017ee85f9204970d-popup"After years of familiarity with this area, my theory is that many ultra-Orthodox commit these acts because they are unaware that a specific act is a crime and because a lack of awareness of the punishments associated with these crimes. In the secular world, there is a crime, there's a criminal, he's caught and punished and the news is relayed through newspapers and television The message is clear. In the ultra-Orthodox community, the media doesn't report [such crimes]. There's no newspaper or other place to hear about what happened to some ultra-Orthodox person who committed a crime even if they were punished, no one knows what happened to them. The neighbors think that they moved abroad. One of the goals of punishment is deterrence, but there is none in the ultra-Orthodox public. There is always someone will hide things."
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e2017d40ead241970c-popup
Ha'aretz has an article on the alleged rape of a 5-year-old girl in the haredi town Modi'in IIllit. As you may remember, the supervisor of the town's kindergartens reported the rape; she now claims she made up the story because she has seen so many cases of child sexual abuse, she decided to create a storm over the issue to get haredim to focus on it.
Police aren't yet sure whether or not the rape took place, although they appear to have evidence that it did.
Ha'aretz talks to anti-abuse activists who think the ploy – if that is what it is – was a stunning success because, as one of them, attorney Rivka Schwartz, noted:
“The public debate that arose in the community is far more important than the issue of whether the incident took place or not," she says. “The fact that this was talked about in every house in the town is a huge achievement. The discussion may have happened without a real victim, but it evoked many other real cases. People suddenly remembered stories about some yeshiva teacher who did this or that. The multiple stories that surfaced emboldened others to speak out, and hopefully will also lead to filing of charges. From my perspective that's a big accomplishment."
What Schwartz – who was only licensed to practice law a few months ago – fails to mention is that a false claim like this gives haredi leaders the ability to argue that real claims are false, and it will make those haredi arguments more successful.
Ha'aretz also discusses the Nachlaot ritual child sex abuse panic, but does so without correctly reporting the facts:
This was the first case that tried someone accused of pedophilia in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Nahlaot that was at the center of a pedophilia scandal last year. The scandal was branded as it unfolded the largest case of pedophilia in Israeli history and along the way increased the awareness among the ultra-Orthodox public of the dangers of pedophilia in its community. At the height of the scandal, neighborhood residents claimed that no fewer than 200 neighborhood children had been harmed by a sophisticated ring of pedophiles operating in the neighborhood. The police arrested 15 neighborhood residents on suspicion of having been involved in various sexual acts with minors. But soon enough it became clear that the testimonies of children taken by youth investigators were not reliable enough to be used in court and most of the suspects were released. In the end, indictments were filed against only three suspects. One of the suspects, Binyamin Satz, was convicted last week with committing indecent acts with minors, three counts of sodomy with children. The cases against the remaining two suspects are still ongoing.
The defendants' lawyers as well as various people living in the neighborhood have raised the possibility that most if not all of the supposed pedophilia cases in the neighborhood were actually the result of a mass panic and not actual attacks. According to these people, an insular society like the ultra-Orthodox community in Nahlaot didn't know how to deal with the phenomenon of potential child abuse and was dragged into a witch-hunt that ensnared innocent people. On the other hand, many parents of the children who filed complaints feel that the police didn't understand the codes of conduct in the community and, consequently, didn't find the children's testimony to be reliable. Some parents also claim that because the community is a very insular and conservative one, the children could not have fabricated testimony describing various acts of sexual abuse on their own and, thus, they should be believed.
What Ha'aretz fails to tell you is that parents and local freelance social workers corrupted evidence. They also induced children to agree with adult statements about abuse that supposedly happened to the kids.The defendants' lawyers as well as various people living in the neighborhood have raised the possibility that most if not all of the supposed pedophilia cases in the neighborhood were actually the result of a mass panic and not actual attacks. According to these people, an insular society like the ultra-Orthodox community in Nahlaot didn't know how to deal with the phenomenon of potential child abuse and was dragged into a witch-hunt that ensnared innocent people. On the other hand, many parents of the children who filed complaints feel that the police didn't understand the codes of conduct in the community and, consequently, didn't find the children's testimony to be reliable. Some parents also claim that because the community is a very insular and conservative one, the children could not have fabricated testimony describing various acts of sexual abuse on their own and, thus, they should be believed.
At the same time, a mentally ill rape victim known for smearing people she doesn't like (and for smearing others she doesn't have any real hostility to but who become collateral damage) began to incite Nachlaot's parents against some of these people.
Haredim are great lovers of conspiracy theories because, for the most part, haredim do not think logically. Their education tells them to believe the stories that science and history prove wrong, to deny the reality around them in order to make the Torah literally true. It is not a great leap from believing the universe is literally less than 6,000 years old or that a talking donkey argued with an evil prophet to believing that there is a ring of more than one dozen pedophiles who use children in sexual rituals and hide ther evidence in secret tunnels running between their houses.
On the other hand, Israel police were woefully slow in responding to parents complaints as was social services.
This toxic combination created the panic.
As for change in Israel's haredi community, the truth is that haredim who want to fight the haredi community's status quo on dealing with child sexual abuse in Israel, the UK and other locations outside the US have been encouraged and emboldened by what anti-haredi-child-sexual-abuse activists have been able to accomplish in the US.
Schwartz believes haredim molest because they don't know it is crime to do so:
Schwartz, who became an accredited lawyer only half a year ago, became acquainted with cases of severe sexual abuse in the ultra-Orthodox community during her internship with the State Prosecutor's Office and after a friend broke her own silence and confessed to her that she had been the victim of sexual abuse.
"After years of familiarity with this area, my theory is that many ultra-Orthodox commit these acts because they are unaware that a specific act is a crime and because a lack of awareness of the punishments associated with these crimes," says Schwartz. In her words, ultra-Orthodox society is not aware enough of the relation between crime and punishment.
"In the secular world, there is a crime, there's a criminal, he's caught and punished and the news is relayed through newspapers and television," says Schwartz. "The message is clear. In the ultra-Orthodox community, the media doesn't report [such crimes]. There's no newspaper or other place to hear about what happened to some ultra-Orthodox person who committed a crime even if they were punished, no one knows what happened to them. The neighbors think that they moved abroad. One of the goals of punishment is deterrence, but there is none in the ultra-Orthodox public. There is always someone will hide things."
Schwartz believes that this difference is significant. "[A situation] has been created where people are ignorant of the punishment. An ultra-Orthodox person who commits a crime because of a momentary impulse says to themself that it's their own problem and that will find a way to square things with God. He doesn't know how serious [his crime] is in this world, that there is also someone here who can punish him."
Schwartz's claim that haredim molest children because they don't know it is crime or don't think the crime is serious is largely false."After years of familiarity with this area, my theory is that many ultra-Orthodox commit these acts because they are unaware that a specific act is a crime and because a lack of awareness of the punishments associated with these crimes," says Schwartz. In her words, ultra-Orthodox society is not aware enough of the relation between crime and punishment.
"In the secular world, there is a crime, there's a criminal, he's caught and punished and the news is relayed through newspapers and television," says Schwartz. "The message is clear. In the ultra-Orthodox community, the media doesn't report [such crimes]. There's no newspaper or other place to hear about what happened to some ultra-Orthodox person who committed a crime even if they were punished, no one knows what happened to them. The neighbors think that they moved abroad. One of the goals of punishment is deterrence, but there is none in the ultra-Orthodox public. There is always someone will hide things."
Schwartz believes that this difference is significant. "[A situation] has been created where people are ignorant of the punishment. An ultra-Orthodox person who commits a crime because of a momentary impulse says to themself that it's their own problem and that will find a way to square things with God. He doesn't know how serious [his crime] is in this world, that there is also someone here who can punish him."
Every haredi man knows that **** sex between two males is a serious crime in halakha. Every haredi man knows that secular society punishes child sexual abuse.
What Schwartz may be trying to say is that in child sexual abuse cases where there is no **** penetration, halakha has not much to say about it. "Spilling seed" – a male orgasm when his ***** is not inside a woman's ****** – is a crime in halakha (with some exceptions for married couples). But that crime is not punished by man. There is no beit din, Jewish court, proceeding, no fine, no reparations paid to the victim, no imprisonment, no lashing, no stoning. The crime is sin, and the sin is punished by God alone.
In other words, child sexual abuse without penetration is a sin like masturbation is a sin. And despite the kabbalistic claims about the severity of masturbation, halakhicly it is no big deal. And neiter is child sexual abuse.
This is, in essence, what Rabbi Manis Friedman claimed and what Rabbi Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg claimed before him.
Haredim do need to be made to understand that secular law will not tolerate this, that sexual abuse of children will be punished to the fullest extent of our laws – not theirs.
The way to do this is to put more haredi pedophiles behind bars and to prosecute and imprison the haredi rabbis and community activists who try to obstruct justice.
But Schwartz is right about one thing – the haredi media and the rabbis who control it are complicit in these crimes.
One of the ways we will know that true change has taken place will be that haredi newspapers, websites and radio stations accurately and completely report all haredi child sexual abuse cases. So far, the haredi media has reported none of them.
I'm getting bored with this dance and talking to a post-a-lot....
you can have the last word....
you can have the last word....
I'm getting bored with dS's lame posts. You know if you don't like a subject you don't have to follow it.
LOL, the dummies are comparing the rules regarding being at the Western Wall to Islamofascists.
I don't even know a single person that has an issue with Islam that has an issue with the rules regarding women attending Mecca.
It's a religious site with religious rules! I bet both could get 2/3 of the people to vote to uphold those rules, lol.
Better even still, the same dummies are comparing a segment of Israeli society to the ruling policies of Islamic countries...
Oh man, you guys make this too easy...
I don't even know a single person that has an issue with Islam that has an issue with the rules regarding women attending Mecca.
It's a religious site with religious rules! I bet both could get 2/3 of the people to vote to uphold those rules, lol.
Better even still, the same dummies are comparing a segment of Israeli society to the ruling policies of Islamic countries...
Oh man, you guys make this too easy...
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And your long time hatred of Israel is duly noted, and so is your constant harping on the subject......