Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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For those of you, who do not believe you "support" a terrorist organization, with roots and ties to Nazism as proven here...
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/wreck-beach/84074-you-nazi-if.html
The definition of support is...
sup·port (s
2. To hold in position so as to keep from falling, sinking, or slipping.
3. To be capable of bearing; withstand: "His flaw'd heart . . . too weak the conflict to support" (Shakespeare).
4. To keep from weakening or failing; strengthen: The letter supported him in his grief.
5. To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities.
6. To furnish corroborating evidence for: New facts supported her story.
7. a. To aid the cause, policy, or interests of: {a known terrorist group}
b. To argue in favor of; advocate: {for a known terrorist group}
8. To endure; tolerate: {Illegal acts}
9. To act in a secondary or subordinate role to (a leading performer).
Seems pretty clear using reason, logic, or critical thought. That anyone that does or commits any such act as defined in sections 7 through 8 (examples edited by myself) of that definition, does in fact, mean giving aid and support to a neo Nazi regime.
It doesn't matter how you spin it, slice it, dice it, manipulate it, ignore or dismiss it. Their list of illegal acts, lies, violence, criminality and terrorism is long and substantiated.
Willfully ignoring it, dismissing it or justifying it, in anyway, is an act of support, by aiding the cause, policy or interests of, to argue in favour of, or advocate for, or to tolerate them, is an act of support, full stop.
If you find this upsetting, insulting or otherwise abhorrent, I suggest you take a minute and look yourself in the eye in a mirror and ask yourself, are you on the right team.
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Now that would be part of the problem wouldn't it: The people who take sides from a safe distance but won't take up anything heavier than a flapping tongue. Smokescreen solves nothing.
The propaganda war, the supporters of hate glean their lies from, is not so factual...
UN proof of Hamas crimes against its own people Yourish.com
From a group touted by many here as the end all of legal interpretation and above par accuracy...
Gaza: Hamas Report Whitewashes War Crimes | Human Rights Watch
Here's a full list of Hamas crimes from that group...
Search | Human Rights Watch
UN proof of Hamas crimes against its own people Yourish.com
From a group touted by many here as the end all of legal interpretation and above par accuracy...
Gaza: Hamas Report Whitewashes War Crimes | Human Rights Watch
Here's a full list of Hamas crimes from that group...
Search | Human Rights Watch
Neither does fanning flames. You do realize, that there can be more then one team eh?
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Nope, those of us that recogize the guilt of both parties and a need to move forward are still trying to get those stuck on the complete blaming of Israel, to join us in reality.
How have you been, it's never the same without you around, lol.
I guess they're not very good at it, are they? 60 years, and they've gotten pretty much nowhere.
With the same out come, lol.
Shush Ten, that's reality, there is no need for reality in this argument. So long as the world hates the Joos, all is well.
Explain, then, how one takes sides without pointing fingers or how one learns truth through smokescreens.
The truth of the whole matter is neither one of them (Izzy or Palarab) will give an inch. Both "sides" will fight to their deaths to be right and each will drag whomever they can to join with their gangs. Israel is an experiment gone terribly wrong.
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Turn on a fan. You can point a finger at legitimate acts of stupidity. Dishonesty only halts the peace process.
One side here, dismisses the lies, half truths and propaganda of the GIMF, while accepting the fact that Israel has committed egregious errors, even atrocities. While the other steadfastly denies that their favourite terrorist regimes ever commit a single crime.
I know where I stand, I stand on the side of reality, rule of law and commonsense.
Agreed.
I somewhat agree.
And not completely by fault of Israel. So, in saying that, what is your suggestion?
I'm great. I just finished planting next winter's beer, pasta, oatmeal cookies and deep fryer grease.
Question:
What can we do as Canadians to end the savage violence without more oppression, racism, Global Govt or ****ing up the kid's who are the only hope of a future?
I hope you get a bumper crop, lol.
I wish I had the perfect answer.
The only answer I have is, one I have suggested before. Israel drop the blockade. Allow free passage to any and all goods, services and travel, in and out of Gaza, to anyone.
Israel must withdraw all, but a reasonable contingent of security personnel from the Gaza and the West Bank boundaries, and must not interfere with crossing of the boarder at all what so ever.
Israel should recognize Palestine as a state and begin a formal dialogue for a lasting peace and trade arrangement.
If rocket attacks continue, Israel should use extreme restraint and commonsense if she so chooses to retaliate. And fully recognize the very real fact that militant groups, beyond the control of Hamas, may very well be the peprtrators, and that they are very likely not going to be the victims of Israel's retaliatory strikes.
If Israel does become the victim of rocket attacks, suicide bombings. I would fully support a UN Peace Keeping mission, consisting of Canadian Forces personnel. Ensuring the safety of Israel and Palestine, by assisting in full investigations of attacks.
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In their case they are correct as it is the IDF and the Israeli side of aid delivery people who decide if/when they will have power in the first place.
How many Israeli's does it take to change a light bulb?
All of them could not do it since God is responsible for them being in the dark.
Ro:6:1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
They should have kept reading because the answer is in the next verse.
Ro:6:2: God forbid.
Christians still haven't grasped that concert totally.
Exactly. A person with a full stomach who is healthy, educated, has an income and feels safe is usually the last person to take up arms and fight over religion.
We both agree the UN is pretty much useless but it was the UN that formed and upheld the rights of the Israeli state. It is time Israel recognized what was done for them and the accept the moral debt that is attached to be a peaceful nation that follows the rule of law.
It is time we afforded Palestine the same rights and sovereignty IF they abolish Hamas and allow free elections and a Charter drafted by the people.
If Israel was meant to survive, why would it be located among neighbours known to be easily irritated? Britain had long experienced Arab discontent with strangers - often at the point of a scimitar. Were displaced European Jews put there to be a nation - or to complete a job that Hitler didn't without getting one's own hands dirty? Either way, Israel survived - but the resent has never died. Nothing can be done about it now. It's like any invasive species. It has made itself native. I think outside influences should stop meddling and allow Israel and everyone else to sort out their own differences.
Is the definition of terrorist best left to state terrorist factions and would the world be much better served by an objective independent rule of thumb? There is absolutely no doubt that the Nazis had used a definition of terrorism against the allies who committed exactly the same barbaric acts of murder as did the Nazis using exactly the same definition of terrorism. It is easy to define, there is no mysterious hidden meanings to compute, it's always the targeted combatants whether they are the old people or children or their schools or hospitals or their orchards and wheat fields along with their grazing sheep and their homes. As always the biggest best equipped brutal inhuman beast wins. Now who could possibly have a problem with the definition of terrorism? There is no excuse for not understanding that, ignorance will not save you.
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You'll have to ask mhz, eao, DB, and a couple others. You posed that question to Colpy. He, as I, won't argue the fact that Hamas is extremely barbaric.
You don't have to tell me that. I already know that. You have to explain that to the rest of your cadre here.
It isn't about religion and you know it, it's about power and gold, same as always. I am surprised to see you hide a post among the priests. New free elections in Gaza without Hamas? Will they elect Israelis? That's the zionist plan of compromise.