Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

[petros]

So far nobody has cared enough to bring this blockade's legality, as far as I know it is not UN sanctioned.

But Israel was defending the entire planet in international waters you see.

 

[CDNBear]

And yet all Israel would have had to do would have been to wait for the ships to enter Israeli soil and then deal with them in accordance to Israeli and international laws.

Which ones?

Then they would have been well within their rights to board the ship in accordance with Israeli laws, and fight back if attacked. In international waters, it was technically and legally an act of piracy on the part of the Israelis.

Really? Care to post the laws that would make that a fact?

I've been asking the residents for the supposed laws that Israel has supposedly broken, since page two.

 

[MHz]

But Israel was defending the entire planet in international waters you see.

Sinking the whole fleet would have been the first option on the board and then gunning the life-rafts, same as with the liberty.

I've been asking the resident idiots for the supposed laws that Israel has supposedly broken, since page two.

That Colpy still hasn't answered, luckily for me this was covered on the last Israeli thread I was on, so if you are waiting for me, good luck.

 

[Machjo]

Which ones?

Really? Care to post the laws that would make that a fact?

I've been asking the residents for the supposed laws that Israel has supposedly broken, since page two.

They were in international waters and thus outside their jurisdiction. In other words, they had no authority to board those ships since those ships were not violating any international laws.

Once those ships would have crossed Israeli waters, then they'd be entering Israeli waters without permission, making it illegal obviously ans so Israel would have had the right to try to stop those ships. Until they'd entered Israeli waters though, they were beyond Israeli jurisdiction.

 

[CDNBear]

That Colpy still hasn't answered

Because, 1, he hasn't made the claim. 2, He isn't one of the residents making unfounded claims.

luckily for me this was covered on the last Israeli thread I was on,

No, what you did was cut and paste an entire section of the Geneva convention. You never actually stipulated what section applied to what act. Now, this is a completely different event with a completely different set of applicable laws.

You've made the claim in this thread, along with several other residents, that this was an illegal act, now the word "piracy" is being thrown in.

And yet here we wait to see actual law supplied as proof. All we've seen so far is baseless claims, claims that we should go look in other threads, and accusations.

Which leads me to believe that not one of you can actually cite a law that has been broken, because it just doesn't exist. Until it's proven, you all look a bunch of parrots, repeating what somebody told you, without vetting or confirming its accuracy. What a completely idiotic thing to do.

so if you are waiting for me, good luck.

I'll need more then luck, to get you to post some fact to back up your BS. I think the right word would be "miracle".

They were in international waters and thus outside their jurisdiction. In other words, they had no authority to board those ships since those ships were not violating any international laws.

Can you please supply the law that says that's true please?

Once those ships would have crossed Israeli waters, then they'd be entering Israeli waters without permission, making it illegal obviously ands so Israel would have had the right to try to stop those ships. Until they'd entered Israeli waters though, they were beyond Israeli jurisdiction.

Really? I'm still waiting for more then just your word. I want law, actual law, specific to this type of event. Not Op/Ed pieces and more BS.

 

[darkbeaver]

Israel is becoming too expensive for the Rothchilds, the rumour is that they will be sacrificed for the cause. The lesser bretheren have always been expendable, in any number necessary.

 

[Colpy]

Sinking the whole fleet would have been the first option on the board and then gunning the life-rafts, same as with the liberty.


That Colpy still hasn't answered, luckily for me this was covered on the last Israeli thread I was on, so if you are waiting for me, good luck.

What would be the point of taking the batteries out of the wheelchairs? It's the equivalent of a trait another of your hero's, Dubya stuffing explosive devices into frogs.

You obviously would agree that Israel did a great job of destroying much of Gaza during operation 'cast-lead' (the complexity of the planning was probably longer than the 6 month long cease-fire that preceded the bombardment), now you seem to be cheering that they have the same conditions as before the bombing. To refuse them the materials to repair the damage from that operation only means 'cast-lead' is a small portion of a larger operation that was in effect before and after. Why do you not promote that fact about your handlers? BTW you eventually end up being an embarrassment to their side rather than some super-hero.


All they were doing was avoiding some paperwork, to have the Rothschild money already having a large number gathered on Crete just for that 'photo op' still cost them some of their own, after that the boarding of ships ended and free immigration began in earnest. What was it Colpy, about 500,000 in that first gold rush. Odd that the inflow just happened to keep pace with the villages that were cleared by men with bat in the middle of the night, not so odd when you realize creating Israel is not the end all of entertainment for the Rothschild so they only invest a certain amount as the 'whole game' only has certain dividends.

Those weren't civilians swimming out to meet those ships, it was the military, Turkey will supply the military for their ships from now on. Who protects Ireland from being attacked by the UK?


This is to establish the legality of that blockade. Killing some in a night raid will hasten that investiagation, dropping a few inspectors off in the day-time (with video and sound). Nobody tried to run JFK's blockade on Cuba but only military hardware was on the list. Humanitarian and civilian suppliers entered unrestricted (from what it was because of Castro). So far nobody has cared enough to bring this blockade's legality, as far as I know it is not UN sanctioned.


That should not deture that the destination was Gaza City, Gaza not some Israel port-of-call. Even then at the last minute Israel took them to a different port than the ones given to the public because there were too many reporters.


Faith is their whole claim to the land.

I've been attending a gov't mandated course for my employment (zzzzzzzzzzz) and answered you at noon.......then went back to work.

I would assume that the Israelis do not want construction materials used for tunnel or bunker building, nor wheel chair batteries used for remote-control mobile bombs......but whatever....neither is food and medicine, is it?????

The second you mention Rothschild I know you are having a psychotic episode (seriously, I'm not kidding), so I pay no attention.

 

[petros]

nor wheel chair batteries used for remote-control mobile bombs

DUDE!!! Wheelchair batteries for bombs? That is really stretching it. That doesn't look too good on you.

Take a deep breath or two.

 

[MHz]

I've been attending a gov't mandated course for my employment (zzzzzzzzzzz) and answered you at noon.......then went back to work.

I would assume that the Israelis do not want construction materials used for tunnel or bunker building, nor wheel chair batteries used for remote-control mobile bombs......but whatever....neither is food and medicine, is it?????

The second you mention Rothschild I know you are having a psychotic episode (seriously, I'm not kidding), so I pay no attention.

The Balfour Declaration was a reply letter to Lord Rothschild supporting their bid to make Palestine a home for the Jews, even you know should know they started promoting the creation of Israel in the 1880's, almost 40 years to get the backing of Britain and by 1950 the name was in place, the only objection Britain had was respect for the Native population in that they would not be 'disturbed'. Well by may of 1948 that was certainly in the trash as it was never part of the Rothschild plan, nor was Gaza or the West Bank part of that original plan, when they said Israel they meant every tablespoon of dirt that was in the area dictated in the OT.

 

[CDNBear]

DUDE!!! Wheelchair batteries for bombs? That is really stretching it. That doesn't look too good on you.

Take a deep breath or two.

Why is that a stretch, and claims of mysterious broken laws, the Israelis actually wanting to sink the whole flotilla, acts of piracy and the rest of the insanity that's been posted in here not questioned?

The Balfour Declaration was a reply letter to Lord Rothschild supporting their bid to make Palestine a home for the Jews, even you know should know they started promoting the creation of Israel in the 1880's, almost 40 years to get the backing of Britain and by 1950 the name was in place, the only objection Britain had was respect for the Native population in that they would not be 'disturbed'. Well by may of 1948 that was certainly in the trash as it was never part of the Rothschild plan, nor was Gaza or the West Bank part of that original plan, when they said Israel they meant every tablespoon of dirt that was in the area dictated in the OT.

Find that mysterious law yet?

 

[MHz]

Why is that a stretch, and claims of mysterious broken laws, the Israelis actually wanting to sink the whole flotilla, acts of piracy and the rest of the insanity that's been posted in here not questioned?

Find that mysterious law yet?

No mystery it was there all the time. That is why JFK ran his blockade the way it was. Are you saying sinking the ships wouldn't have ever been breathed by some pair pair of lips in the Israeli control center?
If it is truly a legal blockade then Israel will have to fire on any warship from any Navy in the world that escorts any other boat headed for Gaza. Luckily for Turkey they do not need NATO backing to get the job done, which is humanitarian aid to Gaza without inspection by Israel, now that they have started killing the people bring aid that they say Gaza is allowed anyway.

 

[CDNBear]

No mystery it was there all the time.

Where? You have NEVER posted a single law and explained specifically how it applies, to any act the Israeli's have committed.

I have asked repeatedly for some proof of this mysterious law, and have yet to see you post it. If you have posted it as you claim, please by all means quote and show us you are not a complete liar.

Are you saying sinking the ships wouldn't have ever been breathed by some pair pair of lips in the Israeli control center?

Unless you have proof, it's just more of your BS.

If it is truly a legal blockade then Israel will have to fire on any warship from any Navy in the world that escorts any other boat headed for Gaza.

And they will be justified in doing so.

Luckily for Turkey they do not need NATO backing to get the job done, which is humanitarian aid to Gaza without inspection by Israel, now that they have started killing the people bring aid that they say Gaza is allowed anyway.

Do you know why those people ended up dead? Serious question, I can't wait to see the answer.

 

[MHz]

Because they dared to stand up to Israel's illegal collective punishment of the people of Gaza
Bye

 

[CDNBear]

Because they dared to stand up to Israel's illegal collective punishment of the people of Gaza
Bye

A dumb answer, but at least it wasn't what I've come to expect from you. Sadly though, no, they died because they attacked a lawful boarding party.

So what makes Israel's blockade illegal?

Why was their boarding a ship in international waters illegal?

I'm still waiting to hear some truth from you.

 

[darkbeaver]

Nothing smells like a zionist bagbear.

 

[CDNBear]

I wish one of you so called experts on the big bad scary Israeli-boogie-rothschild-man could post some facts for a change.

 

[lone wolf]

Actually, the blockade isn't illegal - just immoral. Repelling borders on the high seas isn't illegal either. Control freak Israel took the bait, exposed themselves again, and now have to justify their actions in the face of a world community....

 

[CDNBear]

Actually, the blockade isn't illegal - just immoral.

Agreed. But that's not what's being bandied about as fact here.

Repelling borders on the high seas isn't illegal either.

Actually, once you've been hailed, even on the high seas, a state, or military ship, has the right to board and ascertain whether or not you are permitted to sail under the flag on your vessel. Once they were met with force and the passengers attempted to repel them, the Israeli boarding party was justified immediately to board her by force. Care to see the Articles of law pertaining to it? I'll post them in a bit. I want to see if the resident morons can actually find something to remotely support their claims. Before I post links to the actual laws pertaining to international waters.

Control freak Israel took the bait, exposed themselves again, and now have to justify their actions in the face of a world community....

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

[Colpy]

To take Canada as an example:

If a ship is heading towards Canada, until it actually enters Canadian waters, it is bound by international laws only, and no national laws apply to it until it enters national waters.

This would mean that as long as such a ship does not violate international laws, a Canadian Coast Guard ship would have no legal or moral right to board that ship without proper international authorization, and to do so would legally be an act of piracy on the part of the Canadian coast Guard.

If the Canadian Coast Guard is intent on stopping that ship legally, it would first have to wait for that ship to enter Canadian waters and then proceed as per Canadian laws.

Why would Israeli law apply beyond its borders?

Because the ships were sailing to a place that is engaged in hostilities with Israel......please read the piece from the Globe and Mail on international law that I posted above.

Besides, Canadians have been forcing ship to stop for searches for weapons and terrorists in international waters for years........

Israel is, of course, held to a completely different standard than anyone else.......

DUDE!!! Wheelchair batteries for bombs? That is really stretching it. That doesn't look too good on you.

Take a deep breath or two.

Fair enough....I IMAGINE as I said before.........I really don't know.

Ask the Israelis.

Batteries are not essential humanitarian supplies......

 

[lone wolf]

Agreed. But that's not what's being bandied about as fact here.

Actually, once you've been hailed, even on the high seas, a state, or military ship, has the right to board and ascertain whether or not you are permitted to sail under the flag on your vessel. Once they were met with force and the passengers attempted to repel them, the Israeli boarding party was justified immediately to board her by force. Care to see the Articles of law pertaining to it? I'll post them in a bit. I want to see if the resident morons can actually find something to remotely support their claims. Before I post links to the actual laws pertaining to international waters.
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Yeah ... I'd like to see that article. Though from Argus, it would have been difficult to board, it seems to me the surface guys had to wait until the suspect vessel was within so many miles from territorial waters. It wouldn't surprise me that some rules have been updated since 1978 ... and it surprises me even less that none of them would matter to Israel anyhow.

Innocent until proven guilty? Bear, you're talking shoot-first-ask-question-later Israel.... You can't be serious.