Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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Hmmm, obviously..........Israel (Judea) predated the Koran, but thanks to the Romans.......however, if you will check out the lovely educational videos from Hamas I posted below, you will notice they don't mention Israel either.....just Jews.
Oh, so. Canadians and Israelis engage in exactly the same practise, boarding ships on the high seas to search for terrorists and weapons. For Canada, that is OK.......for Israel not, even though Canada's role can hardly be called direct self-defense as we were on the other side of the world (and haven't been attacked since 1945).......and Israel was a few miles off its own coast (and is constantly attacked).
EXACTLY the same thing.
Had there been anybody on board stupid enough to attack Canadians, we'd have killed lots of people....our sailors were trained.....twice in the chest, once in the head.
As for the international Community.........who cares? The truth is not majority rules.
And the UN is only slightly better than the NSDAP
They were ordered to an Israeli port and if their cargo was of a purely humanitarian nature it would have been forwarded on to the people in Gaza. They refused and continued on their original course. When they were boarded in accordance with an "INTERNATIONALY SANCTIONED BLOCKADE" they were attacked. The Israelis fought back. The Turkish vessels were blockade runners and were treated as such. There is plenty of video that shows what happened. Once again all of the whiney-hineys are shooting their mouths off without getting the facts straight first.
Not really. I see different people spin this to whatever ideology they have and run with it. Reality taking a back seat, always makes me laugh. Which is why your posts make me LOL all the time.
Please show us the law that states that.
Really?
Why no mention of Egypt?
The Israeli Navy didn't want to kill anybody. The other ships in the flotilla managed to be searched without incident. But I highly suspect you'll ignore that, like you ignore Egypt's blockade as well.
You're talking about cowards and blowhards. They're morally bankrupt and ethically challenged. This is only made worse by the fact that they haven't clue one about what they speak of half the time.
But they are funny to watch spin and twist.
So was Hitler.
Obviously more then the average 1st Grader, which puts Libby years ahead of you.
Useful idiots like yourself.
You obviously have no experience with badgers.
YouTube - Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers!
YouTube - BBC Urdu - Israeli Commandos Attack on Aid Ship for Gaza 31-05-2010
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Something to do with your cockroach buddies scurrying away to dark recesses, lol.
Is Hamas sending a delegation here?
That's genocidal, that's against Canadian law to even utter.
Odd how you condemn Israel for such minor things, while you support genocide of an entire people, in contrary to Canadian law.
Please cite the law that states this is so.
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You mean like when courts seized Venezuelan holdings, for illegally expropriating the lawful property and equipment of international companies?
Useful idiots.
It does, 15,000ton/week.
Now, why didn't you ask the same question and include Egypt?
Absolutely 100% correct.
The article makes little to no mention of the violent behavior of those on this "aid vessel." Who were the only ones put on board to incite the Israeli commandos to do what they had to do, with the expected results from the other cowards who protest Israel but do nothing. One cannot achieve Arab-Israeli peace by villianizing one side--Israel. Yet, this is exactly what this administration and its liberal press lackeys have chosen to do. U.S. foreign policy has been a debacle under Obama (N. Korean, China, Venezuela, Iran) and now we are sure to add any Mideast peace overture to the list of its failures. Perhaps "the one" can bow deeply to HAMAS leaders and make things right?
I think if you do some looking you'll find young Tim was pretty much a patsy in the whole thing
Israel Forces Fired On Sleeping Civillians Under Cover Of Darkness
Tuesday, 01 June 2010 08:49
'Under darkness of night, Israeli commandoes dropped from a helicopter onto the Turkish passenger ship, Mavi Marmara, and began to shoot the moment their feet hit the deck. They fired directly into the crowd of civilians asleep. According to the live video from the ship, two have been killed, and 31 injured. Al Jazeera has just confirmed the numbers.'
Read more: Israel Forces Fired On Sleeping Civillians Under Cover Of Darkness
Here's one for the perpetual brain dead...
Unfortunately I couldn't find this video, without the silly news story about the Muslim UN crying for an investigation, but watch the video, and here are some facts to be on the look out for...
BBC News - UN urges inquiry into Israel convoy raid
At the :30 second mark, you can see a member of the Israeli Naval boarding party wildly shooting a weapon at peoples heads. Yet there heads aren't exploding.
Why you ask, because it's not a firearm. It is however a paintball gun, loaded with pepper balls...
This observation, is further confirmed by this video, another BBC video. In which you can plainly see at the :46 second mark, an FN303. Another military pepperball gun.
BBC News - Israeli navy storms Gaza aid ship
I might also point out that you can see the passengers aboard that ship actively trying to take a weapon from an Israeli Officer. Not only does he not use lethal force, he attempts to defend himself by hand, against what appears to be a broom pole.
I can only imagine, having seen the painful attempts to use non lethal force, what actually happened to force the Israelis to use deadly force.
Maybe seeing one of your fellow Servicemen being thrown in the ocean, or being beaten to death with broom poles or an axe, might convince one of them enough was enough.
I actually welcome an investigation. Having seen the video's, seen the great lengths they went, to use non lethal force. I can only foresee a complete vindication. Of course only when the rule of law is applied. Outside that, the court of public opinion will always rule with the illogical and fall back on absurdities to bolster it's emotional stupidity.
As we've already seen in this thread, repeatedly.
In fact, your footage shows that the people were wide awake and ready to meet the Israeli's with force, lol.
Talk about a tenuous grip on reality. Do you actually vet the material you post before you post it Stretch? You nic is aptly chosen considering the stretch that claim is.
Unfortunately I couldn't find this video, without the silly news story about the Muslim UN crying for an investigation, but watch the video, and here are some facts to be on the look out for...
BBC News - UN urges inquiry into Israel convoy raid
At the :30 second mark, you can see a member of the Israeli Naval boarding party wildly shooting a weapon at peoples heads. Yet there heads aren't exploding.
Why you ask, because it's not a firearm. It is however a paintball gun, loaded with pepper balls...
This observation, is further confirmed by this video, another BBC video. In which you can plainly see at the :46 second mark, an FN303. Another military pepperball gun.
BBC News - Israeli navy storms Gaza aid ship
I might also point out that you can see the passengers aboard that ship actively trying to take a weapon from an Israeli Officer. Not only does he not use lethal force, he attempts to defend himself by hand, against what appears to be a broom pole.
I can only imagine, having seen the painful attempts to use non lethal force, what actually happened to force the Israelis to use deadly force.
Maybe seeing one of your fellow Servicemen being thrown in the ocean, or being beaten to death with broom poles or an axe, might convince one of them enough was enough.
I actually welcome an investigation. Having seen the video's, seen the great lengths they went, to use non lethal force. I can only foresee a complete vindication. Of course only when the rule of law is applied. Outside that, the court of public opinion will always rule with the illogical and fall back on absurdities to bolster it's emotional stupidity.
As we've already seen in this thread, repeatedly.
Tried to find any proof of that claim and found none, except anecdotal. There is no video footage as your post claims.
In fact, your footage shows that the people were wide awake and ready to meet the Israeli's with force, lol.
Talk about a tenuous grip on reality. Do you actually vet the material you post before you post it Stretch? You nic is aptly chosen considering the stretch that claim is.
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You never will find the footage in question as it doesn't exist.
The reality is that those erroneous claims/headlines are generally necessary for those that need to muddy the waters in order to provide perpetual deflection of the facts such that more hallucinations can be forwarded.
Re: How About Keeping The Rest Of Us Safe From Israel?
1- Some of them may convert; the guidance is up to God alone; the one whom God wants to guide: none can misguide him. A large number of Jews may convert and become Muslims, when Elija of the last days (Al - Mahdi or the Paraclite).
I know that a Jew called Leopoldvice, then converted and changed his name to Mohammad Asad: he wrote a translation of the Quran to English.
Message of Quran - Muhammad Asad [Islam - Translation] | Scribd
2- Those who do not convert, God will punish them because they have rejected the advice.
3- We would have done our duty before God Most Gracious: wether they agree or refuse.
www.quran-ayat.com
1- Some of them may convert; the guidance is up to God alone; the one whom God wants to guide: none can misguide him. A large number of Jews may convert and become Muslims, when Elija of the last days (Al - Mahdi or the Paraclite).
I know that a Jew called Leopoldvice, then converted and changed his name to Mohammad Asad: he wrote a translation of the Quran to English.
Message of Quran - Muhammad Asad [Islam - Translation] | Scribd
2- Those who do not convert, God will punish them because they have rejected the advice.
3- We would have done our duty before God Most Gracious: wether they agree or refuse.
www.quran-ayat.com
Oh I know. But that won't stop the hacks, morons, morally bankrupt and ethically challenged lovers of genocide from pretending it does to bolster their ideology.
Couldn't agree more.
What terrorist attacks against Israel? Israel is a rabid animal, whomever puts them down will do a great service to humanity. We have only the Israelis and their stinking supporters making those phony claims and they are all confirmed liars thieves and murderers.
Israeli Death List lost by Israeli Soldier during raid
This coming from someone that posts this link...
Is beyond hilarious.
I await the barrage of insults and lack of facts, logic, critical thought, reason, intellect or maturity, from the morally bankrupt and ethically challenged.
I hope everyone remembers the supporters of Israel when the war is over and dosen't treat them like the filthy Israelis would. But hopefully many of them will serve long prison terms for aiding and abetting crimes against humanity according to Nuremburg articles.
Re: How About Keeping The Rest Of Us Safe From Israel?
The Bible doesn't classify Gentiles any finer than that and the conversion rate to sheep gets highest only when the goats convert themselves to sheep, with a little guidance from God. The 50 million Christians that are called Evangelicalism would be better off spending their time, effort and money helping the poor in the world (based on # of coats a person has, etc.)
If Jews already have some prophecies in the OT (Eze:37, 39, 47 and Jer:31) that determine their salvation (at Christ's arrival which is the first time men are judged so being from the 12 tribes was not 'helpful' before that time, in fact it could be considered to be detrimental to life and limb. Becoming a Christian doesn't improve on that so how would becoming a Muslim be 'useful' when both Christians and Muslims and Atheists are judged as Gentiles which includes rewards or punishments.
Would Muslims be considered to be Gentiles and as such they belong to Christ, similar to the Romans of the NT? Some were believers and some had not even received the Gospel by the time the last book was finished. I'm not trying to defend any specific Church, the various relationships that God describes in Revelation 2 & 3. (in that Christians have a spiritual temple and the houses of stone are closer to being idols/icons that a 'necessity' to faith. By rights if a person read just the NT and had some faith that it was the truth that person would be considered as being saved even if they did not read another word for the rest of their life. Grace plays an important role in that. In those words is also the knowledge that people who are doing the 2nd law of their own free will are given the same rewards of a Christian who is found to be a sheep rather than a goat when it comes to following both commandments.
The Bible doesn't classify Gentiles any finer than that and the conversion rate to sheep gets highest only when the goats convert themselves to sheep, with a little guidance from God. The 50 million Christians that are called Evangelicalism would be better off spending their time, effort and money helping the poor in the world (based on # of coats a person has, etc.)
In the Bible the 2/3 that Christ kills are retrieved by God 1,000 literal years later. Why would I switch from a moderate to a hard line version of God? The Apostles and OT Prophets and Mohammed are inspired men, our prayers do not go to men, they go to the one these men talked about, God Almighty the creator of Heaven and Earth and all that is in those places. If the Church of Revelation promotes only God as the first love and failing that the news is not good. If holding the Pope in a higher standard than John the Baptist (including his lifestyle) when Jesus says no man is greater than John (and that John was less than the least in Heaven) or Mary or any other Saints of the Churches is frowned upon then Mohammad would be in the same boat. A messenger who is not as important as the message and none of them are around today to personally take questions.
For myself if reading the NT doesn't provide a look into things between the leaving and the return and even past that and that being faith then joining other similar organizations may not be of any use.
If you promoted 'them' to convert to Christianity then they are forbidden to raise the sword. It might help to remind you that Jesus left the sword to the rulers of the nations in the time He is gone, that cannot be 'undone' by anybody but Christ as described in the NT. Now it might help the Jews, Muslims and Christians to know that the Governments and the Banks have the authority over the sword. They can corrupt the Church (as in having your own Bank which all 3 do) and conquest is more often the quest rather than spreading enlightenment.
Again the Christian version is a temporary punishment, Isa:65 says the same thing so that covers the Jews even if they do not understand it in light old the differences the cross made in that prophecy.
That isn't real incentive to join, come and join even if you have a chance of failing and getting a worse punishment .
You mean the Israeli's that were condemned by an Islamic organization that has its main offices in Israel? That Israel?
DB, can you point out an Islamic nation that has an Israeli or Jewish organization that has its main offices within its borders, that can speak out against that nations actions?
Can you cite what articles and specific acts/events that they would apply to please?
The Hasbara couching comes out of you like slime in an armpit. Israel is dirt. Try sticking to the thread topic and if you can't stop trying to wing it from your prepared Israeli notes.
I see you can't answer the questions....
And thanx for proving me...
...right.
In the end they cut their throats just the same. The worst partners anyone could have.