Israel accused of murdering journalist

Serryah

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The thing is; will this change anything or will Israel be 'excused' of this, if it's proven they did this.
 

Serryah

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Not until the predecessor questions are answered. . .

Was she actually killed by a member of the IDF?

If so, was the IDF member acting within the scope of their authority?

That's the question. Israel is accused of it but for now it's just accusation.

Journalists and others on scene said it was them.

Israel said it was Palestinians, though the ground was not favourable for a clear head shot like the reporter got.

They're also accused of opening fire without warning to the journalists.

I do agree with an independent investigation though; not done by Israel, not done by Palestine.

In the end, it's not a good look on Israel regardless, and with previous history of similar accusations and how quick they jumped to blame a Palestinian before backtracking, again, appearances are not good.

I HOPE it was only an accident though.
 

Serryah

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Wow...


And before 'certain people' comment... she was taken to a CHURCH, an Orthodox church, for her funeral.


She was Christian.



You CANNOT say this is right and that Israel did not SERIOUSLY do something wrong here.
 
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Ron in Regina

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That’s some crazy shit from a crazy part of the world where three religions intersect with their holiest of holy sites, mixed with political ambitions and propaganda, and we get the above.

On May 11, Shireen Abu Akleh, an experienced 51-year-old reporter with Al Jazeera, was tragically killed by a gunshot wound to her head while covering Israeli counter-terrorism operations in Jenin, a Palestinian city known for being a breeding ground for terrorists.

During fierce clashes that occurred during an arrest raid of wanted terror suspects, some who were complicit in the murder of 19 innocents in Israel in recent weeks, Israeli soldiers faced heavy and indiscriminate gunfire by Palestinian terrorists and had explosive devices thrown at them. In the course of these hostilities, Abu Akleh was killed.

Amidst this fog of war, this tragedy was immediately pounced on by pro-Palestinian activists and international journalists who accused Israel of shooting Abu Akleh, despite producing no evidence, only conjecture, to buttress their claims.

In conformity with international law, getting to the bottom of the death of a journalist is a top priority, but sadly, there’s been a zeal to vilify, but not verify.

That’s why Israel called for an impartial and comprehensive investigation into Abu Akleh’s death, and invited the Palestinian Authority (PA) to work together.

This request was unceremoniously rejected.

“Israel requested a joint investigation and the handing over of the bullet that assassinated the journalist Shireen, and we refused that, and we affirmed that our investigation would be completed independently,” Hussein al-Sheikh, the head of the Palestinian Authority’s Civil Affairs wrote on Twitter.

The bullet which killed Abu Akleh and a corresponding ballistic analysis may provide the key to understanding whom, and under what circumstances, she died. But the adamant refusal of the Palestinian Authority to collaborate with Israel on an investigation and the rush to bury the deceased Al Jazeera journalist, demonstrates a suspicious lack of transparency and unwillingness to find the truth by the Palestinian Authority.

Importantly, Palestinian Forensic Medicine Institute Director Dr. Rayyan al Ali, has already said that it cannot be determined whether Abu Akleh was killed by Israeli fire or by a Palestinian bullet until a full investigation is completed. Meanwhile, the results of the Palestinian autopsy were inconclusive.

This begs the following question: if the Palestinians have nothing to hide, why are they refusing to cooperate with a joint investigation with Israel and/or a third party? And even if the Palestinian leadership does eventually share the bullet or other evidence with Israeli or external investigators, there’s no guarantee that it won’t be tampered with.

The absence of any concrete evidence has not stopped Palestinian Authority spokespeople from pointing the finger at Israel. Hanan Ashrawi, a long-time Palestinian politician, posted on Twitter that Abu Akleh was “shot & murdered by the Israeli occupation army.”

This is not the first time that a tragic death was immediately pinned on Israel. In September 2000, 12-year-old Palestinian Muhammad al-Durrah, was apparently killed by a bullet when he was caught in the crossfire between Palestinian forces and Israeli troops in the Gaza Strip. His death immediately became a symbol used by Palestinian activists to accuse Israel of murder, and he became a martyr for the Palestinian cause around the world.

Footage of the shooting, disseminated by the France 2 broadcaster, became iconic, and Israel was widely blamed, but a large and growing number of experts maintained that al-Durrah likely died from Palestinian gunfire.

Today, not only has the Palestinian Authority provided no evidence demonstrating that Israeli forces fired the bullet which killed Abu Akleh, they doubled down and even accused Israel of doing it purposefully. According to the Palestinian Authority’s Foreign Ministry, Israel “intentionally and deliberately” targeted Abu Akleh.

For a regime which has refused to conduct an open and transparent investigation with Israel, such accusations are more than absurd; they amount to little more than a blood libel against Israel which may lead to further violence.

For its part, Al Jazeera, the news agency based in and funded by Qatar, also wasted no time in accusing Israel of “intentionally targeting and killing” Abu Akleh. Al Jazeera, which is no stranger to publishing anti-Israel misinformation, would do well to follow the evidence wherever it leads, rather than peddling propaganda without providing evidence.

Make no mistake, the death of any civilian, particularly a journalist, is a tragedy. Journalists provide an integral service sharing vital information about the world and they help us understand complex issues while working in oftentimes dangerous environments, which is why the attempt to use Shireen Abu Akleh’s death to further anti-Israel propaganda is so offensive.

Rather than celebrating the life of a journalist, and honouring her life’s work by fully investigating her death, the anti-Israel movement has evidently decided that launching a blood libel against Israel is more preferable than pursuing the truth.
 
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Wow...


And before 'certain people' comment... she was taken to a CHURCH, an Orthodox church, for her funeral.


She was Christian.



You CANNOT say this is right and that Israel did not SERIOUSLY do something wrong here.
Now lets see the previous 15 minutes of video.
 

Serryah

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That’s some crazy shit from a crazy part of the world where three religions intersect with their holiest of holy sites, mixed with political ambitions and propaganda, and we get the above.

On May 11, Shireen Abu Akleh, an experienced 51-year-old reporter with Al Jazeera, was tragically killed by a gunshot wound to her head while covering Israeli counter-terrorism operations in Jenin, a Palestinian city known for being a breeding ground for terrorists.

During fierce clashes that occurred during an arrest raid of wanted terror suspects, some who were complicit in the murder of 19 innocents in Israel in recent weeks, Israeli soldiers faced heavy and indiscriminate gunfire by Palestinian terrorists and had explosive devices thrown at them. In the course of these hostilities, Abu Akleh was killed.

Amidst this fog of war, this tragedy was immediately pounced on by pro-Palestinian activists and international journalists who accused Israel of shooting Abu Akleh, despite producing no evidence, only conjecture, to buttress their claims.

In conformity with international law, getting to the bottom of the death of a journalist is a top priority, but sadly, there’s been a zeal to vilify, but not verify.

That’s why Israel called for an impartial and comprehensive investigation into Abu Akleh’s death, and invited the Palestinian Authority (PA) to work together.

This request was unceremoniously rejected.

“Israel requested a joint investigation and the handing over of the bullet that assassinated the journalist Shireen, and we refused that, and we affirmed that our investigation would be completed independently,” Hussein al-Sheikh, the head of the Palestinian Authority’s Civil Affairs wrote on Twitter.

The bullet which killed Abu Akleh and a corresponding ballistic analysis may provide the key to understanding whom, and under what circumstances, she died. But the adamant refusal of the Palestinian Authority to collaborate with Israel on an investigation and the rush to bury the deceased Al Jazeera journalist, demonstrates a suspicious lack of transparency and unwillingness to find the truth by the Palestinian Authority.

Importantly, Palestinian Forensic Medicine Institute Director Dr. Rayyan al Ali, has already said that it cannot be determined whether Abu Akleh was killed by Israeli fire or by a Palestinian bullet until a full investigation is completed. Meanwhile, the results of the Palestinian autopsy were inconclusive.

This begs the following question: if the Palestinians have nothing to hide, why are they refusing to cooperate with a joint investigation with Israel and/or a third party? And even if the Palestinian leadership does eventually share the bullet or other evidence with Israeli or external investigators, there’s no guarantee that it won’t be tampered with.

The absence of any concrete evidence has not stopped Palestinian Authority spokespeople from pointing the finger at Israel. Hanan Ashrawi, a long-time Palestinian politician, posted on Twitter that Abu Akleh was “shot & murdered by the Israeli occupation army.”

This is not the first time that a tragic death was immediately pinned on Israel. In September 2000, 12-year-old Palestinian Muhammad al-Durrah, was apparently killed by a bullet when he was caught in the crossfire between Palestinian forces and Israeli troops in the Gaza Strip. His death immediately became a symbol used by Palestinian activists to accuse Israel of murder, and he became a martyr for the Palestinian cause around the world.

Footage of the shooting, disseminated by the France 2 broadcaster, became iconic, and Israel was widely blamed, but a large and growing number of experts maintained that al-Durrah likely died from Palestinian gunfire.

Today, not only has the Palestinian Authority provided no evidence demonstrating that Israeli forces fired the bullet which killed Abu Akleh, they doubled down and even accused Israel of doing it purposefully. According to the Palestinian Authority’s Foreign Ministry, Israel “intentionally and deliberately” targeted Abu Akleh.

For a regime which has refused to conduct an open and transparent investigation with Israel, such accusations are more than absurd; they amount to little more than a blood libel against Israel which may lead to further violence.

For its part, Al Jazeera, the news agency based in and funded by Qatar, also wasted no time in accusing Israel of “intentionally targeting and killing” Abu Akleh. Al Jazeera, which is no stranger to publishing anti-Israel misinformation, would do well to follow the evidence wherever it leads, rather than peddling propaganda without providing evidence.

Make no mistake, the death of any civilian, particularly a journalist, is a tragedy. Journalists provide an integral service sharing vital information about the world and they help us understand complex issues while working in oftentimes dangerous environments, which is why the attempt to use Shireen Abu Akleh’s death to further anti-Israel propaganda is so offensive.

Rather than celebrating the life of a journalist, and honouring her life’s work by fully investigating her death, the anti-Israel movement has evidently decided that launching a blood libel against Israel is more preferable than pursuing the truth.

IMO any investigation should be independent of EITHER side - Palestine or Israel. There's too much that actually could come of this for one or the other to claim 'investigative rights'.

And while people may think it's okay to kill a journalist of any kind, it's not.

Just because she worked for Al-Jazeera doesn't make her somehow 'evil'. She was a joint Israeli-US citizen, she was respected in her field for 20+ years, and she was Arab Christian from Israel.

Dismissing her death and not questioning it I think shows an inherent touch of racism.

Now lets see the previous 15 minutes of video.

Why?

They were mourners there for the funeral of a well respected woman.

NONE of that justifies the police beating people, INCLUDING the casket bearers, to the point they nearly DROP it.

I'm surprised more Christians aren't up in arms over this.

Or is it because she was ARAB Christian, so not Christian enough??
 

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The thing is; will this change anything or will Israel be 'excused' of this, if it's proven they did this.
Not until the predecessor questions are answered. . .

Was she actually killed by a member of the IDF?

If so, was the IDF member acting within the scope of their authority?
IF not, Israel will prosecute whomever made the decision. They don't take this lightly.
 

Serryah

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Since when does Israel like to pretend to be Saudi Arabia?

Considering the information gathered by others NOT the IDF...

But of course the IDF won't find anyone guilty nor will anyone be held responsible, because who cares, she was a Palestinian (American) and that blue vest, helmet and the white PRESS doesn't mean squat.
 

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Since when does Israel like to pretend to be Saudi Arabia?

Considering the information gathered by others NOT the IDF...

But of course the IDF won't find anyone guilty nor will anyone be held responsible, because who cares, she was a Palestinian (American) and that blue vest, helmet and the white PRESS doesn't mean squat.
Oh fuck right off. She was apparently caught in the middle of a firefight. Any suggestion that she was deliberately targeted by either side in the middle of said firefight is 100% conjecture right now. Give it a rest with your anti-Israel shit.
 

Serryah

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Oh fuck right off. She was apparently caught in the middle of a firefight. Any suggestion that she was deliberately targeted by either side in the middle of said firefight is 100% conjecture right now. Give it a rest with your anti-Israel shit.

A firefight that wasn't in her immediate area, but rather a distance away from her immediate area, and no gunfire came from where she was.

But the investigation itself was 'inconclusive', it was an 'accident'. It *could* be true, sure, absolutely, a soldier of the IDF with limited sight opened fire on a group of people without first confirming WHO it was he was shooting at. Always safe... /s

Her family is asking for an independent review where she was also a US citizen and trusting the IDF to give an honest, non-partisan review is not possible, and they'd be right. It's like asking cops who shoot a victim to look into the matter, and the same cops who did the shooting are also doing the investigation.

As for this being anti-Israel - you could have put ANY country in this - US, Canada, any European country - and I'd STILL say the same thing, given the exact same circumstances. I would be HIGHLY suspect of ANY military who shoots anyone of the Press, who is wearing their Press gear, in an area that there is NO weapons fire coming from it, especially if they could not CONFIRM who they were firing upon, and given the chance of citizens in the area, I don't know how they can be defended. At most it's a gross misconduct on behalf of the soldier who made the shot for discharging his weapon without knowing his target. Unless it's okay to open fire and not care about who it is you're opening fire upon.
 

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Israelis are pretty good at procecuting their own & will do so if they believe they're complicit in whatever illegal activity found. In fact, they're very good at it far beter than we are! I think they're good at holding their citizens accountable. 🤔
 

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There's just no way to know yet, and you're kind of taking a side based on some pretty sketchy sources. A journalist civillian is dead, and that is really really bad. Isreal has committed to an independant investigation which is good, that's the right thing to do. I don't know why palestine would be hesitant but whatever, lets see what the investigation says.

As far as not being in the 'immediate' area of the gun fight, those situations are fluid and rifle bullets can go a long long way. And it's very easy to get turned around or disoriented under fire and make a mistake, for either side.

As to the funeral - it completely lacks context. I have a hard time believing that those troops just showed up out of the blue for no reason and decided to block people. The story doesn't contain ANYTHING as to why that happened, all we're seeing is the melee after. That really doesn't tell us anything about whether or not that was justified or why it started or the like.

I think we're going to have to wait for a little more info before condemning anyone for any of this just yet. Obviously both sides have reason to 'spin' things.