or worse - hulio!
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If they were waging war on the economy I'd say they're winning!
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ISIS is losing momentum
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Already done.
France says the name 'ISIS' is offensive, will call it 'Daesh' instead
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What's in a name? When it comes to how to refer to the extremist group that has terrorized Syria and northern Iraq and violently imposed a caliphate, a lot.
The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a bit of a misnomer, says France, as it lends the imprimatur of Islam to a group that the vast majority of Muslims finds despicable. "This is a terrorist group and not a state. I do not recommend using the term Islamic State because it blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists," France's Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in a statement. "The Arabs call it 'Daesh' and I will be calling them the 'Daesh cutthroats.'"
The name Daesh, according to France24, is a "loose acronym" for "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham). The name is commonly used by enemies of ISIS, and it also has many negative undertones, as Daesh sounds similar to the Arabic words Daes ("one who crushes something underfoot") and Dahes ("one who sows discord")
France says the name 'ISIS' is offensive, will call it 'Daesh' instead
France says the name 'ISIS' is offensive, will call it 'Daesh' instead
Twitter/CBC News
What's in a name? When it comes to how to refer to the extremist group that has terrorized Syria and northern Iraq and violently imposed a caliphate, a lot.
The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is a bit of a misnomer, says France, as it lends the imprimatur of Islam to a group that the vast majority of Muslims finds despicable. "This is a terrorist group and not a state. I do not recommend using the term Islamic State because it blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists," France's Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in a statement. "The Arabs call it 'Daesh' and I will be calling them the 'Daesh cutthroats.'"
The name Daesh, according to France24, is a "loose acronym" for "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham). The name is commonly used by enemies of ISIS, and it also has many negative undertones, as Daesh sounds similar to the Arabic words Daes ("one who crushes something underfoot") and Dahes ("one who sows discord")
France says the name 'ISIS' is offensive, will call it 'Daesh' instead
I see you didn't as clarity is still escaping you.
So does everybody now throw their hands in the air and say, 'Damn, they got away.'?
There are some, surely not contributors to this thread, but there are some who dismiss the very notion of root causes, that is, of cause and effect. I am not calling those who dismiss cause and effect morally or intellectually bankrupt, but rather I suspect those individuals harbour a desperate wish to avoid the obvious. It is, in fact, a desire to be blind because sight might belie their world view.
No one who pushed a neighbour into a snow drift would excuse his action by saying, ”George fell because he has a hare lip, it had nothing to do with my pushing!" Causes are complex and certainly not singular, but an individual action should not be dismissed because of a bad conscience.
No one who pushed a neighbour into a snow drift would excuse his action by saying, ”George fell because he has a hare lip, it had nothing to do with my pushing!" Causes are complex and certainly not singular, but an individual action should not be dismissed because of a bad conscience.
Don't wear dark glasses. Everyone will look brown. I find staying in my hotel room and not venturing outdoors the safe way to travel abroad. Avec soin![/QUOTE]
I'll avoid the dark glasses. So far the scariest brown person in Rue Cler seems to be. . . well. . . me. I've gotten a couple of glances, but nothing too overt. The Parisians seem to be taking it in stride. Ah, la insouciance! Vive la France! Sacre bleu! Mademoiselle from Armentiers!
Everyone soon to be issued their very own "hidey-closet", complete with a self defense manual from the ARSEY MP., and a hole in the floor
for one's head.
Diapers and toilet paper not included.
One DOES have to accept some responsibility.
Hopefully the burning to death in a cage of the pilot spreads the word that that's what you're gonna get if they get you.
That should rally any troops (ordinary people) willing to fight these idiots.
More back than forth would be good.
After watching the video of the pilot execution in the cage on Glen Beck's The Blaze is definitely a game changer for ISIS negative support and the payback each terrorist cell that is caught in the different countries. It was a violent video at the end and a lot of young people will be motivated to join their military just to rid this human scourge from the face of the earth.
Let's hope they get their handles who hide in the shadows rather than taking some bait and thinking it is a total clean up.
Has ISIS's latest horror show backfired in the Middle East?
In grotesquely expanding its growing gallery of horror, by burning alive a Jordanian pilot, ISIS is taking a significant risk.
The overriding message, mixed in among several in its highly produced video, is clear. Don't fight us, it seems to say. If you do, prepare to burn in hell.
That ISIS reserved its most barbaric public execution to date for a fellow Sunni Muslim, Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh — and its most venomous criticism for a Sunni Muslim leader, Jordan's King Abdullah — only underscores that message, that a nearby "traitor" deserves a worse death than even a "non-believer" from abroad.
The risk in such a message, though, is in how members of the intended audience react: Do they cower in fear, or erupt in rage. And, if rage, where specifically might that anger be directed.
Jordan's king vows 'a harsh war' against Islamic State
In its 23-minute video, ISIS lays the groundwork for what it hopes will be anger against the Jordanian king for participating at all in the U.S.-led effort to destroy the so-called Islamic State.
It is an effort by ISIS to divide, to destabilize, to make the case for rebellion and, thereby, to open the regional door further to the group's influence.
Will it work? One thing you can be sure of is that, despite all the official calls to do otherwise, this video has been viewed hundreds of thousands of times from start to finish, on cellphones belonging to the region's anxious.
Avoiding the video would be a luxury that many in the Middle East would feel they cannot afford.
Because while Western airstrikes and the odd skirmish with Western troops get a lot of media attention around the world, for those countries neighbouring the Islamic State this battle is existential.
They may be longer-term projects, but Lebanon and Jordan (along with the rest of Syria and Iraq) are in ISIS's sights, and the group's self-documented history of brutality illustrates where its interests lay.
On the front lines
Don't forget that one of the first foreign soldiers to be filmed while being beheaded by ISIS — long before the U.S. airstrikes began — was Lebanese. He was captured as ISIS militants stormed across that country's border with Syria in an apparent bid to take territory.
U.S. President Barack Obama meets with Jordan's King Abdullah at the White House on Tuesday as Islamic State militants released a video showing the death of the captured Jordanian pilot. (Reuters)
Sgt. Ali al-Sayyed, from northern Lebanon, was 29. He too was Sunni Muslim, like the ISIS militants, and unlucky to be captured during that incursion last August.
After his capture, al-Sayyed appeared in a video apparently pledging loyalty to ISIS. It is very likely he was in no position to say no, but imagine how demoralizing that would have been to his fellow soldiers.
Then, a short while later, a gruesome video emerged of him being beheaded.
That was just the start of a psychological war waged specifically against ISIS's regional opponents and the citizens of those countries who support the fight back.
In fact, in the same incursion into Lebanon, more than two dozen other Lebanese soldiers and police were captured, some held by ISIS, others by affiliate Jabhat al Nusra — and they are still not home. Among them are Christians, Shia and Sunni Muslims, suggesting that the whole of Lebanon and the diversity it stands for is fair game if they dare fight ISIS.
These captured soldiers are not the subject of a global hashtag campaign. Their plight is somehow lost in the noise of some 60 nations fighting ISIS.
It is also forgotten that while Lebanon isn't part of the anti-ISIS coalition, it has still had to contend with fighting ISIS at its doorstep, a fight that long predates the arrival of foreign aircraft.
Despite efforts at negotiation, there have been more beheadings of Lebanese soldiers in recent months, and so more dreadful video for the region to pore over.
Living next door to ISIS not only means losing lives, but also being inundated by the echoes of their gruesome messages.
Rumours of influence
In Beirut now, ISIS lurks everywhere. Rumours persist that they have reach and influence deep inside the capital. Try watching the news there without hearing Daesh, the Arab acronym for their name.
Like the weather, ISIS warrants a daily roundup and forecast. Even on days when they haven't issued another ultimatum, or when they hadn't yet again engaged the Lebanese army and killed more soldiers.
And what is your recourse if you are a Lebanese family waiting for news of a son or a brother languishing for months in the hands of such a group?
You might camp out downtown, and occasionally burn tires to block roads in protest. You might scan social media for news. You might, as one Lebanese mother did, learn of the violent end of your son's life on Twitter.
"Annihilate ISIS," said Saif al-Kasaesbeh (C), father of Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kasaesbeh, seen here at the headquarters of the family's clan in the city of Karak on Wednesday. Jordan hanged two Iraqi jihadists on Wednesday including a female militant in response to an Islamic State video showing al-Kasaesbeh being burnt alive. (REUTERS)
For the rest, there is little to do but watch in horror, or erupt in anger.
ISIS knows it has a captive regional audience and seems ever willing to ratchet up the message: Scare the soldiers. And enrage the people.
But will more gruesome killings succeed in turning Arab people against their governments for fighting ISIS?
The barbarity of the latest killing might actually achieve the opposite.
Many Arabs — even those opposed to their troops fighting alongside foreign ones against Muslims opposed to the Syrian regime — are enraged at the killings.
Many influential clerics have denounced it as un-Islamic, inconsistent with the rules governing the treatment of prisoners of war, and simply outrageous.
For ISIS's immediate neighbours, the group's barbarity is unlikely to lead to a change in course.
For Jordan, unlike its previous military commitments to U.S.-led military efforts in the region — which were roundly criticized at home — this time it is about survival.
And now, for its enraged people, it may also be about revenge.
Little wonder Jordan has vowed to redouble its efforts in a war that is a little too close for comfort.
ISIS's gamble may not quite pay off as it hoped. But its ghastly channel is still being watched.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/has-isis-s-latest-horror-show-backfired-in-the-middle-east-1.2945629
In grotesquely expanding its growing gallery of horror, by burning alive a Jordanian pilot, ISIS is taking a significant risk.
The overriding message, mixed in among several in its highly produced video, is clear. Don't fight us, it seems to say. If you do, prepare to burn in hell.
That ISIS reserved its most barbaric public execution to date for a fellow Sunni Muslim, Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh — and its most venomous criticism for a Sunni Muslim leader, Jordan's King Abdullah — only underscores that message, that a nearby "traitor" deserves a worse death than even a "non-believer" from abroad.
The risk in such a message, though, is in how members of the intended audience react: Do they cower in fear, or erupt in rage. And, if rage, where specifically might that anger be directed.
Jordan's king vows 'a harsh war' against Islamic State
In its 23-minute video, ISIS lays the groundwork for what it hopes will be anger against the Jordanian king for participating at all in the U.S.-led effort to destroy the so-called Islamic State.
It is an effort by ISIS to divide, to destabilize, to make the case for rebellion and, thereby, to open the regional door further to the group's influence.
Will it work? One thing you can be sure of is that, despite all the official calls to do otherwise, this video has been viewed hundreds of thousands of times from start to finish, on cellphones belonging to the region's anxious.
Avoiding the video would be a luxury that many in the Middle East would feel they cannot afford.
Because while Western airstrikes and the odd skirmish with Western troops get a lot of media attention around the world, for those countries neighbouring the Islamic State this battle is existential.
They may be longer-term projects, but Lebanon and Jordan (along with the rest of Syria and Iraq) are in ISIS's sights, and the group's self-documented history of brutality illustrates where its interests lay.
On the front lines
Don't forget that one of the first foreign soldiers to be filmed while being beheaded by ISIS — long before the U.S. airstrikes began — was Lebanese. He was captured as ISIS militants stormed across that country's border with Syria in an apparent bid to take territory.
U.S. President Barack Obama meets with Jordan's King Abdullah at the White House on Tuesday as Islamic State militants released a video showing the death of the captured Jordanian pilot. (Reuters)
Sgt. Ali al-Sayyed, from northern Lebanon, was 29. He too was Sunni Muslim, like the ISIS militants, and unlucky to be captured during that incursion last August.
After his capture, al-Sayyed appeared in a video apparently pledging loyalty to ISIS. It is very likely he was in no position to say no, but imagine how demoralizing that would have been to his fellow soldiers.
Then, a short while later, a gruesome video emerged of him being beheaded.
That was just the start of a psychological war waged specifically against ISIS's regional opponents and the citizens of those countries who support the fight back.
In fact, in the same incursion into Lebanon, more than two dozen other Lebanese soldiers and police were captured, some held by ISIS, others by affiliate Jabhat al Nusra — and they are still not home. Among them are Christians, Shia and Sunni Muslims, suggesting that the whole of Lebanon and the diversity it stands for is fair game if they dare fight ISIS.
These captured soldiers are not the subject of a global hashtag campaign. Their plight is somehow lost in the noise of some 60 nations fighting ISIS.
It is also forgotten that while Lebanon isn't part of the anti-ISIS coalition, it has still had to contend with fighting ISIS at its doorstep, a fight that long predates the arrival of foreign aircraft.
Despite efforts at negotiation, there have been more beheadings of Lebanese soldiers in recent months, and so more dreadful video for the region to pore over.
Living next door to ISIS not only means losing lives, but also being inundated by the echoes of their gruesome messages.
Rumours of influence
In Beirut now, ISIS lurks everywhere. Rumours persist that they have reach and influence deep inside the capital. Try watching the news there without hearing Daesh, the Arab acronym for their name.
Like the weather, ISIS warrants a daily roundup and forecast. Even on days when they haven't issued another ultimatum, or when they hadn't yet again engaged the Lebanese army and killed more soldiers.
And what is your recourse if you are a Lebanese family waiting for news of a son or a brother languishing for months in the hands of such a group?
You might camp out downtown, and occasionally burn tires to block roads in protest. You might scan social media for news. You might, as one Lebanese mother did, learn of the violent end of your son's life on Twitter.
"Annihilate ISIS," said Saif al-Kasaesbeh (C), father of Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kasaesbeh, seen here at the headquarters of the family's clan in the city of Karak on Wednesday. Jordan hanged two Iraqi jihadists on Wednesday including a female militant in response to an Islamic State video showing al-Kasaesbeh being burnt alive. (REUTERS)
For the rest, there is little to do but watch in horror, or erupt in anger.
ISIS knows it has a captive regional audience and seems ever willing to ratchet up the message: Scare the soldiers. And enrage the people.
But will more gruesome killings succeed in turning Arab people against their governments for fighting ISIS?
The barbarity of the latest killing might actually achieve the opposite.
Many Arabs — even those opposed to their troops fighting alongside foreign ones against Muslims opposed to the Syrian regime — are enraged at the killings.
Many influential clerics have denounced it as un-Islamic, inconsistent with the rules governing the treatment of prisoners of war, and simply outrageous.
For ISIS's immediate neighbours, the group's barbarity is unlikely to lead to a change in course.
For Jordan, unlike its previous military commitments to U.S.-led military efforts in the region — which were roundly criticized at home — this time it is about survival.
And now, for its enraged people, it may also be about revenge.
Little wonder Jordan has vowed to redouble its efforts in a war that is a little too close for comfort.
ISIS's gamble may not quite pay off as it hoped. But its ghastly channel is still being watched.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/has-isis-s-latest-horror-show-backfired-in-the-middle-east-1.2945629
They were getting beat by Syria, try to not let that point escape you, nor should you forget a lot of ISIS members were originally trained in Jordan to try and topple the Syrian Government, an international crime but who cares as it is sanctioned by the Rothschild enforcers. What the US isn't considering is that they will do to us just what the US did to Saddam after he was their proxy warrior. All the promises made to him were empty ones and the knife in the back was their only reward. Seems like ISIS may have reached that point
When you are an evil overlord do you have to hold elections? The US doesn't have elections as the two bodies obey the same master. Enjoy your illusion of freedom.
A few months ago right wingers were condemning Obama for his words "we don't have a strategy" and blamed him for ISIS's emergence. Shortly thereafter he bombed strategic spots in Syria and in Iraq which were said to have halted that terror group's momentum. Perhaps those who condemned him at first may want to take back what they said.
For the record, I repeat what I said before - what goes on in that part of the world is none of godd@mn business and we should GTFO. I stand by that statement. Let those people unite and sort out the problem themselves. For all we know, ISIS could have been stopped sooner if Obama had not intervened.
For the record, I repeat what I said before - what goes on in that part of the world is none of godd@mn business and we should GTFO. I stand by that statement. Let those people unite and sort out the problem themselves. For all we know, ISIS could have been stopped sooner if Obama had not intervened.