Is Trump FIT (Mentally, emotionally, ethically ) FIT for the JOB???

JLM

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Again, I said he "could" have had WMD's, he "maybe" had them, but there was no proof at all. Without that definitive proof, yes, the US LIED to get into Iraq.




Exactly, which is what I said. But just because there MIGHT have been isn't enough to go to war and lead to the destabilization of the region - which is what exactly happened.





Absolutely true, but again, there was no actual proof, and the excuse to go to war was that he had WMD's... without proof, there was no excuse for the war. IE, he lied.

Also, https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/colin-powell-u-n-speech-was-a-great-intelligence-failure/




So did I, so did many people.

There were 41 Countries - according to your link - that went into Iraq with the US.


There were 54 Countries who were against Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Iraq_War


It needs to also be said that despite some of the countries that went in with the US, a LOT of their citizens were still against the war.


And, by the by, even people in the US realize Iraq was a mistake as time as gone on.

https://www.pewresearch.org/2008/03/19/public-attitudes-toward-the-war-in-iraq-20032008/


Saddam was a monster, Saddam was a powder keg waiting to blow but the US had no excuse to go into Iraq, which is why they made up one.


I think whether the war in Iraq was a mistake or not depends on who you talk to. I think the fact that 30,000 citizens a year have been saved from almost certain murder might be quite appealing to a lot of Iraqis. Have you heard what the opinions of the Kurds were? A lot of them are likely breathing easier. I personally think Bush may have done the right thing.
 

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yes. everyone is well aware of that.

they don't need a foolish old man to point it out.
 

spilledthebeer

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POOR CONFUSED CLIFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy Justin is running for Cdn prime minister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOT Yankee president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Speaking of Soviet Socialist dictators...................................


Consider this::::

















As most people know- Canada has been rather badly bullied by RED CHINA in recent months - as the Beijing Butchers defy United Nations sanctions and continue to do dirty deals with the nuclear nutbars in Iran - the ones who want to start a NUCLEAR WAR with Israel - to the detriment of the ENTIRE PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody who thinks we are having SERIOUS CLIMATE ISSUES NOW - should do a little light reading on what would happen to the global environment if 15- 20 nuclear weapons were detonated in the space of a few hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So we can rather safely say that sucking up to Tehran IS A BAD IDEA that will RUIN YOUR HEALTH - if Tehran gest its wish as millions of people will die from breathing in the irradiated dust of incinerated nuclear victims - with the added problem of being STARVED by massive crop failures as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And in recent news- Beijing has told Canada “TO BUTT OUT” after Our idiot Boy Justin said a few nice things about the protestors in Hong Kong who are frantically trying to save a few of their western style civil rights - while under growing threat of another Tiananmen style Massacre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And in the latest news - demonstrators in Toronto scuffled and had to be separated by cops - with some supporting Beijing Butchers and others supporting the Hong Kong protestors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cdn news media tells us that most of the Beijing Butcher supporters are STUDENTS who are here on visas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So in response to all the Beijing bullying - here is what we could do - IDENTIFY some of the leaders of the pro Beijing support group - AND ROUND THEM UP AND DEPORT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY IN HELL should we be spending money on cops to PROTECT BEIJING BUTCHER SUPPORTERS from people who are merely trying to salvage SOME of the civil rights that WE TAKE FOR GRANTED????????????????????

Besides which- we would ONLY be taking a leaf from the Beijing play book!!!!!!!

Beijing views protests of any sort with DISTAST so how could they complain if we DEPORTED PROTESTORS?????????????????????????????????

It is costing us money to suck up to China - while they kidnap our people and insult our intelligence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lest show a little spine and ship home some Chinese anti democracy protestors!!!!

And since we are making flight plans for VILE RED CHINESE citizens anyway - lets ship Huawei chieg Meng out to Washington!! She has been here under genteel house arrest far to long as it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Cliffy

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I think whether the war in Iraq was a mistake or not depends on who you talk to. I think the fact that 30,000 citizens a year have been saved from almost certain murder might be quite appealing to a lot of Iraqis. Have you heard what the opinions of the Kurds were? A lot of them are likely breathing easier. I personally think Bush may have done the right thing.
A million innocents died directly or indirectly because of the Yankee interference in another country's internal affairs. Yankeeland is directly responsible for millions of deaths of innocent women, children and the elderly and infirm because of Yankeeland foreign policy over the last 100 years. Should we go there and bomb them back into the stone age?
 

JLM

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A million innocents died directly or indirectly because of the Yankee interference in another country's internal affairs. Yankeeland is directly responsible for millions of deaths of innocent women, children and the elderly and infirm because of Yankeeland foreign policy over the last 100 years. Should we go there and bomb them back into the stone age?


Slight exaggeration there. 41 countries were engaged in that war.
 

Cliffy

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Slight exaggeration there. 41 countries were engaged in that war.
No exaggeration. None of the major countries, including Canada go involved in what was known to be a lie. The US was certain Hussein had WMDs because they supplied him with them. They then put sanctions on him and one of the conditions was that he get rid of the WMDs, which he did. That was not why they invaded, though. Halliburton and Cheney coveted his oil and wanted to destabilize the Muddled East. Both were accomplished by the invasion.
 

spilledthebeer

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Again, I said he "could" have had WMD's, he "maybe" had them, but there was no proof at all. Without that definitive proof, yes, the US LIED to get into Iraq.




Exactly, which is what I said. But just because there MIGHT have been isn't enough to go to war and lead to the destabilization of the region - which is what exactly happened.





Absolutely true, but again, there was no actual proof, and the excuse to go to war was that he had WMD's... without proof, there was no excuse for the war. IE, he lied.

Also, https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/colin-powell-u-n-speech-was-a-great-intelligence-failure/




So did I, so did many people.

There were 41 Countries - according to your link - that went into Iraq with the US.


There were 54 Countries who were against Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Iraq_War


It needs to also be said that despite some of the countries that went in with the US, a LOT of their citizens were still against the war.


And, by the by, even people in the US realize Iraq was a mistake as time as gone on.

https://www.pewresearch.org/2008/03/19/public-attitudes-toward-the-war-in-iraq-20032008/


Saddam was a monster, Saddam was a powder keg waiting to blow but the US had no excuse to go into Iraq, which is why they made up one.




IMBECILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you think the Middle East is UNSTABLE NOW.......................................


just give some thought.................................


assuming you HAVE THOUGHTS and dont just parrot LIE-beral GARBAGE........................................


and CONSIDER THE CHAOS.......................................


if EITHER Iraq or Iran had set off a nuclear weapon...............................................


and Israel had RESPONDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Think of the dead and dying.........................................


the immediate PAIN AND SUFFERING of those blinded by the flash............................


and left wandering burned and alone in a wasteland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


or those crippled with broken bones and unable to seek aid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DO some HONEST READING on how the Hiroshima survivors..................................


died like flies in the weeks after the explosion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Read up on how many desperately thirsty burned and lost survivors ACCIDENTALLY committed suicide.........................


by drinking radiation contaminated water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And they took many days or weeks to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Depending on how dirty the water was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Saddam Hussein was a TERRORIST SPONSOR.........................................


and he was PROVEN to be paying $30 grand U.S. to each family..............................


that produced a suicide bomber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Sadam worked HARD to keet the Middle East hate pot boiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He tortured and murdered his own people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Get an old copy of NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MAGAZINE.................................


and read up on the ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE that Saddam perpetrated in the vast southern marshes...........................


as he EXTERMINATED the Marsh Arabs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your LIE-beral sympathies are highly selective and HUGELY BIASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You should be ashamed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Serryah

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I think whether the war in Iraq was a mistake or not depends on who you talk to. I think the fact that 30,000 citizens a year have been saved from almost certain murder might be quite appealing to a lot of Iraqis. Have you heard what the opinions of the Kurds were? A lot of them are likely breathing easier. I personally think Bush may have done the right thing.


I get that.

But going there on a lie is still a wrong thing to do.


If they wanted to remove Saddam, why NOT push the "They're wiping out Kurds" excuse, or "They're executing innocents"? Because they didn't give a shit really. At least there was PROOF he was wiping people out.

Instead, they preferred to lie about it to get the backing of the world, and BECAUSE people cared about the innocents he was murdering and slaughtering, I think that's why people joined moreso than the WMD excuse.

And yet even then, 54 countries stayed out of the actual 'war' itself, because they knew the reasons for it were wrong.

Bush may have done the right thing by taking Saddam out - and I actually think he did - but to DO so on a lie was NOT. Ends do NOT justify the means, especially where this led to the destabilization of the region and rise of ISIS.
 

spilledthebeer

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I get that.

But going there on a lie is still a wrong thing to do.


If they wanted to remove Saddam, why NOT push the "They're wiping out Kurds" excuse, or "They're executing innocents"? Because they didn't give a shit really. At least there was PROOF he was wiping people out.

Instead, they preferred to lie about it to get the backing of the world, and BECAUSE people cared about the innocents he was murdering and slaughtering, I think that's why people joined moreso than the WMD excuse.

And yet even then, 54 countries stayed out of the actual 'war' itself, because they knew the reasons for it were wrong.

Bush may have done the right thing by taking Saddam out - and I actually think he did - but to DO so on a lie was NOT. Ends do NOT justify the means, especially where this led to the destabilization of the region and rise of ISIS.




Serryah does not care about Marsh Arabs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Their GENOCIDE............................documented even by National Geographic....................................



does not fit her HATE ALL YANKEES narrative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the efforts Saddam made to drive the Jews into the sea...................................


and turn 5 million Jews into refugees wandering in the desert..........................................


being robbed and abused and tormented by victorious MUSLIMS.........................................


does not fit her narrative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nor does the wild enthusiasm with which Isis rounded up non Muslim SEX SLAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If the Jews DID GET driven into the sea...........................


how many women would end up as sex slaves in some Harem??????????????????????????


This too does not fit the Serryah narrative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Serrya is DEDICATED to anti Yankee BIGOTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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UNLIKE DONALD TRUMP....................................


who is MERELY UNPOPULAR WITH LIE-berals...........................................


and HAS YET to be convicted of anything..............................................


Justin TRUDOPE is a PROVEN accomplice.........................................


to Lavalin BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy ha personally ADMITTED that the Lavalin crimes do not concern him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the followers of Our idiot Boy DO NOT CARE......................................


that they support a CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cliffy must be truly proud.........................


that he can be so deviously HYPOCRITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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JLM

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I get that.

But going there on a lie is still a wrong thing to do.


If they wanted to remove Saddam, why NOT push the "They're wiping out Kurds" excuse, or "They're executing innocents"? Because they didn't give a shit really. At least there was PROOF he was wiping people out.

Instead, they preferred to lie about it to get the backing of the world, and BECAUSE people cared about the innocents he was murdering and slaughtering, I think that's why people joined moreso than the WMD excuse.

And yet even then, 54 countries stayed out of the actual 'war' itself, because they knew the reasons for it were wrong.

Bush may have done the right thing by taking Saddam out - and I actually think he did - but to DO so on a lie was NOT. Ends do NOT justify the means, especially where this led to the destabilization of the region and rise of ISIS.


To say that he lied you obviously are a mind reader!
 

JLM

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I get that.

But going there on a lie is still a wrong thing to do.


If they wanted to remove Saddam, why NOT push the "They're wiping out Kurds" excuse, or "They're executing innocents"? Because they didn't give a shit really. At least there was PROOF he was wiping people out.


Sometimes "Spilled the beer" actually makes some sense. You should pay close attention to him. If he'd just tone down those f**kin' fonts!