I call him an apologist, because I too polite to call him anything else...![]()
Not me. Must be the Devil in me.........
I call him an apologist, because I too polite to call him anything else...![]()
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Most Muslims publicly reject fanatical Muslims who resort to violence or terrorism to further their agenda...
I believe you when you claim you never heard of a Muslim condemning fanatical attack by a radical Muslim fundamentalist or that you have to dig for it. I pointed out that most Muslims do condemn these attacks and that our news just doesn't report it. Not knowing about the condemnations doesn't mean they don't exist only that you are ignorant of them.Nice dodge, "Their statements typically don't make our news" Referring to elsewhere? I could care less about elsewhere, it is my county and people that concern me.
I pay attention to Canadian news and have to dig deep to find any Muslims saying anything resembling condemnation of their fanatical bretheren. Some of it is fear of retribution, not much of that visible when anyone condemns a Christian dogma here.
If you do not condemn terrorism you are not innocent.
You live in a dream world EAO, come out on the sidewalk in mainstream Canada with me for a while, you will be even more worried that your carefully disingenuous agenda is for naught. Take heart though, you will find SOME D'himmis like yourself. Oh and btw, i am non religious.
Regarding Brevik, he is just another psycho, one of a tiny amount compared to confirmed Islamic terrorists, unless of course as usual you lump in everyone who has done formal military service in the west.
I really do not give a rats ass what you think of me, i just know that when push comes to shove, peeps like me will treat peeps you as a fifth columnist.
Yep. Most do.
But a very significant number do NOT. Enough that Mubin Shaikh is unable to attend most mosques in Toronto. Enough that Muslim witnesses against the Shafia family are ostracized.
Why? If the Muslim community is so united against terror, why is that so???
I believe you when you claim you never heard of a Muslim condemning fanatical attack by a radical Muslim fundamentalist or that you have to dig for it. I pointed out that most Muslims do condemn these attacks and that our news just doesn't report it. Not knowing about the condemnations doesn't mean they don't exist only that you are ignorant of them.
So if our news doesn't report sane Muslim condemnations of crazy Muslim actions and you have no interest in digging for them, how are sane Muslims supposed to let you know? Do you expect sane Muslims to buy space in newspapers and make commercials condemning carzy Muslim actions to get the word out, or is the problem with our news not reporting their statements and you not caring to read about it?
BTW, aren't you a white guy and not particularly religious just like Breivik. If so, when are you going to buy advertising space in a Norwegian newspaper to condemn Breivik's actions? Norwegians have no idea whether you support or condemn Breivik. Sure you labelled Breivik a psycho on some obscure forum, but that's hardly a strong condemnation of a mass murderer. Also not many Norwegians are on this forum. Applying the same standard on you as you apply to all Muslim, should Norwegians assume that you support Breivik until they read your harsh condemnation of Breivik in the Norwegian news? If you really opposed Breivik you would have used harsher words than psycho and rented space in Norwegian newspapers. Have you done this? If you haven't then its pretty safe for Norwegians to assume that you really agree with Breivik and support what he did.
IMO, your expectations that sane Muslims are obligated to condemn crazy Muslims or do more than make a statement of condemnation is unrealistic. People should only have to apologize for their own actions. If they say and do nothing, then that means nothing. If sane Muslims condemn the words and actions of crazy Muslims and you don't know about it, then your ignorance of their statements is the problem. One I tried to correct by posting a reference to sane Muslim condemnations of the words and actions of crazy Muslims. I noticed how little that new information changed your opinion of Muslims.
Your problem is you know little about Muslims beyond the stereotypical negative portrayals in the MSM. Very like you visit the same anti-Muslim hate websites visited by Breivik. You aren't that different than a Muslim who only reads the Muslim news and only knows what they report about crazy Christians. Very likely a group of Muslims are reading about Breivik in their news and they have a perception that most non-religious white guys are like Breivik or support Breivik, in the same way that you believe that most Muslims are like Bin Laden or support Bin Laden.
I believe you when you claim you never heard of a Muslim condemning fanatical attack by a radical Muslim fundamentalist or that you have to dig for it. I pointed out that most Muslims do condemn these attacks and that our news just doesn't report it. Not knowing about the condemnations doesn't mean they don't exist only that you are ignorant of them.
So if our news doesn't report sane Muslim condemnations of crazy Muslim actions and you have no interest in digging for them, how are sane Muslims supposed to let you know? Do you expect sane Muslims to buy space in newspapers and make commercials condemning carzy Muslim actions to get the word out, or is the problem with our news not reporting their statements and you not caring to read about it?
BTW, aren't you a white guy and not particularly religious just like Breivik. If so, when are you going to buy advertising space in a Norwegian newspaper to condemn Breivik's actions? Norwegians have no idea whether you support or condemn Breivik. Sure you labelled Breivik a psycho on some obscure forum, but that's hardly a strong condemnation of a mass murderer. Also not many Norwegians are on this forum. Applying the same standard on you as you apply to all Muslim, should Norwegians assume that you support Breivik until they read your harsh condemnation of Breivik in the Norwegian news? If you really opposed Breivik you would have used harsher words than psycho and rented space in Norwegian newspapers. Have you done this? If you haven't then its pretty safe for Norwegians to assume that you really agree with Breivik and support what he did.
IMO, your expectations that sane Muslims are obligated to condemn crazy Muslims or do more than make a statement of condemnation is unrealistic. People should only have to apologize for their own actions. If they say and do nothing, then that means nothing. If sane Muslims condemn the words and actions of crazy Muslims and you don't know about it, then your ignorance of their statements is the problem. One I tried to correct by posting a reference to sane Muslim condemnations of the words and actions of crazy Muslims. I noticed how little that new information changed your opinion of Muslims.
Your problem is you know little about Muslims beyond the stereotypical negative portrayals in the MSM. Very like you visit the same anti-Muslim hate websites visited by Breivik. You aren't that different than a Muslim who only reads the Muslim news and only knows what they report about crazy Christians. Very likely a group of Muslims are reading about Breivik in their news and they have a perception that most non-religious white guys are like Breivik or support Breivik, in the same way that you believe that most Muslims are like Bin Laden or support Bin Laden.
Yep. Most do.
But a very significant number do NOT. Enough that Mubin Shaikh is unable to attend most mosques in Toronto. Enough that Muslim witnesses against the Shafia family are ostracized.
Why? If the Muslim community is so united against terror, why is that so???
So you can find a Muslim organization that is supportive of anti-terror organizations. Big deal.
I can find a whole lot more Muslim organizations that are not.
How about CAIR??? The front for the Muslim brotherhood, and one of the most influential Muslim organizations in North America.
What about non-violent attacks on western values? Death sentences by fatwa on authors and cartoonists? Legal attacks on free speech....such as the attacks on Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant???
For every single moderate outspoken Muslim you can find, I can list three loonies.
There is no moderate Islam. Only Muslims that fail to follow the road of Jihad, and much credit to them.
But at the core of it, Islam and western democratic society are incompatible.
bad idea to quote PARTS of the Koran when Talmidic and Biblical crap is just as disgusting in PARTS.
maybe all three need to sit down and do an amalgamated book with the ****ty parts removed.
Luke 19 26-27
Indeed.at the core of it, Islam and western democratic society are incompatible.