Is Quebec sovereignty on the rise?

CDNBear

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Since Quebecors are Canadians they have the same human rights as we all have in Canada
Yep. One of which is the fundamental right to self determination. That's enjoyed by everyone on the whole planet.

I can see why a professed Liberal with Trudeau's pic as his avatar would feel the way you do.

Conservatives claim to fame is soldier heros in boxes at CFB Trenton. Conservative definition in harms way while they have their "a$$es in a powerseat"
Right there, and there.
 

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Conservatives claim to fame is soldier heros in boxes at CFB Trenton. Conservative definition in harms way while they have their "a$$es in a powerseat"
yeah, so? Like I said, what do you expect from politicians?
BTW, people that prefer one party over another are called "partisans" and IMO, they are no better than the politicians in the parties they support; particularly the staunchest and most stubborn ones.
 

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I was in Montreal many years ago, and I agree with what others have said - the sovereigntists don't necessarily want to leave Canada, but they want their distinct identity. That said, they can make common cause with us Westerners, because we want more decentralization, except we have very different cultures.
 

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yeah, so? Like I said, what do you expect from politicians?
BTW, people that prefer one party over another are called "partisans" and IMO, they are no better than the politicians in the parties they support; particularly the staunchest and most stubborn ones.

This Prime Minister will be the worst of them all by the time we get to the next federal elections

Factual, la la...

Only in your dreams

I was in Montreal many years ago, and I agree with what others have said - the sovereigntists don't necessarily want to leave Canada, but they want their distinct identity. That said, they can make common cause with us Westerners, because we want more decentralization, except we have very different cultures.
All Canadians can have thier distinct identity. I lived in Alberta many years ago and the rednecks had their distinct identity and that's why Canada is an interesting place to live
 

CDNBear

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Only in your dreams
Only in your version of reality.

The Liberals sent the Troops into Afghanistan. The mission changes, are irrelevant. It's always been a war zone. The dangers haven't changed since the first boots hit the ground.

You can pretend that in your version of reality, that isn't true. It doesn't make it so.

 

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I can't say I agree with you. The PQ was created specifically for Quebec's sovereignty. It is still their main mission. Every decision they will take will be towards this ultimate goal. You can't vote PQ and not be a sovereignist in my opinion. Or you contradict yourself.

You run that with anyway you vote in any election. Have you ever voted for a party that you agreed with 100% on everything? I know I haven't. I'm in Ottawa, I know people in Hull/Gatineau who will likely vote PQ. They arent separatists, hell, they aren't even really Quebecers. They're anglophones who happen to live there as its cheap. There just isnt a federalist provincial party that matches what they want.

From what I've been reading I don't think the feeling is genuine. Its probably a protest vote. The federalist parties keep shooting themselves in the leg. Maybe if Charest steps down the Liberals may stand a chance.
 

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This sounds like a good opportunity for a provincial Conservative party to take the reins, which is what the BC one is waiting to do.
 

Ron in Regina

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Is Quebec sovereignty on the rise?

Outside of Quebec, does it really matter? Sorry if I sound like a Jerk,
but, "Cry wolf once and everyone comes running. Cry wolf often and
everyone stops caring." Being outside of Quebec, I understand that
Quebec contains about 1/4 of Canada's population, and can push in
(usually) whomever during a Federal Election before many west of
Manitoba ever put an "X" on a ballot, but that's about it for their
relavance.

I know it sounds jaded, but when I hear the words "Sovereignty" &
"Quebec" in the same sentance, I think, "What's it going to cost the
other 75% of Canadians this time to further rent the loyalty of these
25% of Canadiens once again?".....& that's about it.
 
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Cliffy

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Is Quebec sovereignty on the rise?

Outside of Quebec, does it really matter? Sorry if I sound like a Jerk,
but, "Cry wolf once and everyone comes running. Cry wolf often and
everyone stops caring." Being outside of Quebec, I understand that
Quebec contains about 1/4 of Canada's population, and can push in
(usually) whomever during a Federal Election before many west of
Manitoba ever put an "X" on a ballot, but that's about it for their
relavance.

I know it sounds jaded, but when I hear the words "Sovereignty" &
"Quebec" in the same sentance, I think, "What's it going to cost the
other 75% of Canadians this time to further rent the loyalty of these
25% of Canadiens once again?".....& that's about it.

I can understand that kind of logic, except that more than half of Quebecers are not separatists. That would leave, at most, 11% of Canadians are separatist. Not sure what percentage of Albertans are also separatists. We may have to start kissing their butts too some day.
 
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Machjo

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Quebec sovereignty will be an everlasting goal eversince our beloved Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper identified Quebec as a nation within a nation in the House Of Commons. Being bright is not one of the Conservative strong points.


Er... this problem existed since the Plains of Abraham to varying degrees.


Is Quebec sovereignty on the rise?

Outside of Quebec, does it really matter? Sorry if I sound like a Jerk,
but, "Cry wolf once and everyone comes running. Cry wolf often and
everyone stops caring." Being outside of Quebec, I understand that
Quebec contains about 1/4 of Canada's population, and can push in
(usually) whomever during a Federal Election before many west of
Manitoba ever put an "X" on a ballot, but that's about it for their
relavance.

I know it sounds jaded, but when I hear the words "Sovereignty" &
"Quebec" in the same sentance, I think, "What's it going to cost the
other 75% of Canadians this time to further rent the loyalty of these
25% of Canadiens once again?".....& that's about it.

Though there is a big difference between your attitude and that of those who just hate Quebecers outright. That post does not give the impression that it's anything particularly personal for you (i.e. if Quebec wants to stay, it stays; if it leaves, it leaves: either way it's nothing personal or worth getting alol worked up about). You're attitude is probably a healthy attitude, and a good middle-of-the road attitude (i.e. we'll let Quebec stay or leave, but will neither try to kick them out nor try to buy their loyalty, and can still be friends either way).
 
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Ron in Regina

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I can understand that kind of logic, except that more than half of Quebecers are not separatists. That would leave, at most, 11% of Canadians are separatist. Not sure what percentage of Albertans are also separatists. We may have to start kissing their butts too some day.


Hmmm....what does it cost financially, to the rest of Canada, to rent Alberta's
loyalty? I'm assuming somewhere between zero & zilch.
 

JLM

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I can understand that kind of logic, except that more than half of Quebecers are not separatists. That would leave, at most, 11% of Canadians are separatist. Not sure what percentage of Albertans are also separatists. We may have to start kissing their butts too some day.

Don't have to worry about Alberta separating...........Gerry will (I was going to say kill but he doesn't believe in killing) make them wish they'd never entertained the thought. :lol: