Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

Cliffy

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Everyone has a belief system, including self described spiritual anarchists. If you deny one set of beliefs like Christianity or atheism, that in itself affirms another set of beliefs. It could be Islam or it could spiritual anarchism. Everyone has philosophical assumptions about what God "is" and whether or not "it" exists. Everyone has a beliefs.
It is not a system as it is constantly growing, changing, morphing, evolving - a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Systems are usually dogmatic. I like to keep an open mind.
 

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Me too, that's why I'm willing to hear any argument against Christianity. I haven't come across anything too scary yet. ;-)

Spiritual anarchy separates you from the creator, don't you agree?
Why would it? I believe the journey is a very personal, solo affair. I don't need others to validate what I know. I don't need to convince anybody to agree with me. What I perceive my higher power to be is not up for negotiation or scrutiny.

Looking at all the various belief systems has lead me to see that there is some truth in all of them but none of them are the only way.
 

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What I perceive my higher power to be is not up for negotiation or scrutiny.

So beliefs are up for debate, but not yours? I don't need validation from anyone either, but I'm willing to let my beliefs be challenged.

Looking at all the various belief systems has lead me to see that there is some truth in all of them but none of them are the only way.

What makes you believe that none could be the only way? Just because you think truth is relative?
 

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Why would it? I believe the journey is a very personal, solo affair. I don't need others to validate what I know. I don't need to convince anybody to agree with me. What I perceive my higher power to be is not up for negotiation or scrutiny.

Looking at all the various belief systems has lead me to see that there is some truth in all of them but none of them are the only way.

I think you have it pretty well pegged, Cliff.
 

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Now here I don’t think you are entirely accurate. It depends upon what the numerator is. If the numerator is finite, non zero number, then division by 0 is far from meaningless.

Thus as x tends to 0, 1/x tends to ∞ (infinity). While ∞ is not a number, it is a well developed, well understood mathematical concept.

So division by 0 does have some meaning for a non zero numerator. However, 0/0 is totally meaningless.
No, I am entirely accurate, I do know the math here. It's true that as x tends to zero, 1/x tends to infinity, but that's not division, that's pretty much the definition of the limit as it's developed in calculus, without the mathematical formalism. X tends to zero, it doesn't become zero. Another way to put it is that as x approaches 0, 1/x increases without limit, but x never quite gets to zero. Division by zero has no meaning, ever, regardless of the numerator. If 1/x is infinity if x is zero, then by the rules of algebra 0 times infinity is one, which would also mean that 2/x is infinity if x is zero, so 0 times infinity is also 2, and so on. Not allowed; division by zero is an undefined operation because it leads to nonsense like that.
 

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So beliefs are up for debate, but not yours? I don't need validation from anyone either, but I'm willing to let my beliefs be challenged.

Being a Christian, your beliefs are already out there. It is not your beliefs that I challenge but the source of your beliefs. Having studied the bible from a historical point of view, with all the mistranslations and misinterpretations by who, when and for what reasons, I have had to conclude that the bible has been so bastardized in the past 2000 years as to be without merit.
If I tell you what I believe today, it may not be valid tomorrow. Besides, because they are not familiar to others, I would have to write a book on the subject - Oh, I already did - there is just not enough room here to bring you up to speed.



What makes you believe that none could be the only way? Just because you think truth is relative?[/quote]

Not only is the truth relative, reality is, life is, gawd is. The underwear I have on is relative to the first pair that my hand fell on in the drawer this morning. That would sum up my philosophy for today.
 

Cliffy

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I think you have it pretty well pegged, Cliff.
Each new day is a life time unto itself. Every experience enhances or changes all that have come before it. Why would anybody want to believe that nothing changes. That is what dogma is to me, the petrification of thought and belief. It really doesn't make any sense.
 

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0/0 is indeterminate..
Exactly. Indeterminate does not mean meaningless. And introducing known numbers like 1 changes the concept. Red herrings are a typical reply by Joke to try making himself look less foolish.
 

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Now, you have to be careful here, Spade. When prolifers say the phrase ‘therapeutic abortion’, they refer to an abortion performed for any reason other than for saving the life of the mother. To them, almost all the abortions performed are therapeutic abortions.
How would you know? You don't think prolifers have a variety of opinions like you antilifers?
 

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The MIT has quite a reputation.
So what? So does Scientific American. So do a lot of publishers that don't necessarily agree with the views of the authors whose works they print.Just because I may quote something from the Bible doesn't mean I agree with what the quote says.
 

Cliffy

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So what? So does Scientific American. So do a lot of publishers that don't necessarily agree with the views of the authors whose works they print.Just because I may quote something from the Bible doesn't mean I agree with what the quote says.
You know the old saying, "You can pick you nose and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's nose." Well big likes to pick other people's noses. Strange fetish, I know, but there you have it, eh!
 

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Everyone has a belief system, including self described spiritual anarchists. If you deny one set of beliefs like Christianity or atheism, that in itself affirms another set of beliefs. It could be Islam or it could spiritual anarchism. Everyone has philosophical assumptions about what God "is" and whether or not "it" exists. Everyone has a beliefs.
Why would an atheist have a philosophical assumption about what gods are? To atheists gods don't even exist. It'd be like me having an opinion about when Piltdown Man lived.:roll:
 

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Nice try but wrong again. The only *valid* opinion is the correct one. Reference post#302. Just because we can't agree or come to a conclusion doesn't mean that all views are "incorrect" until we can determine which one is the correct one. The truth is independent of what we think and feel, therefore one viewpoint is correct and all views that contradict it are incorrect.
One guy says, "blue is the best color". His wife says, "wrong, green is the best one". Which truth is the correct one?
 
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Me too, that's why I'm willing to hear any argument against Christianity. I haven't come across anything too scary yet. ;-)
Prove Jesus Christ actually existed then. ;)

Spiritual anarchy separates you from the creator, don't you agree?
No. One does not need religions to enable recognition of spirituality. Anarchy means lack of governing. Basically a spiritual anarchist's spirit is free to be itself without tenets and dogmas and whatnot.
 

Cliffy

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One guy says, "blue is the best color". His wife says, "wrong, green is the best one".
This reminds me of the argument about the proper way to put the toilet paper on the roller - in or out. there is no proper way, only personal preference.
 

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You know the old saying, "You can pick you nose and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's nose." Well big likes to pick other people's noses. Strange fetish, I know, but there you have it, eh!
?? I'd find someone else's finger up my nose annoying. Big doesn't annoy me, he amuses me. I'm beginning to think he posts the stuff he posts to get chuckles. Whatever intent he has, he gets me chuckling. :D
 

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Why would an atheist have a philosophical assumption about what gods are? To atheists gods don't even exist. It'd be like me having an opinion about when Piltdown Man lived.:roll:

People who believe and people who don't believe both assume, either his existence or non-existence, because no one can "know" beyond certainty what the correct answer is.