Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

[SirJosephPorter]

But in the true sense of tolerance, i.e. treating others respectfully and civilly, we do(at least in this age). But hold your contradicting view as valid as mine? Never!

Alley, when it comes to religion and afterlife, all views are equally valid, simply because we have no way of determining which one, if any is the truth.

Jesus Christ is either the truth or he's not.

And how are you going to prove it (Whether it is the truth or not)?

Not Jesus Christ is the truth and other ways are the truth. That refutes itself.

It does nothing of the sort. Since the truth in this instance is unknowable, it is not at all absurd to believe that there could be more than one truths.

When a quantity is indeterminate, meaningless, one could attribute anything to it, it is valid. Thus in the sphere of mathematics, the quantity 0/0 (zero divided by zero) is meaningless, indeterminate. So one could attribute any value to it and one would be right.

Is 0/0 = 5? Sure, why not. Bring the zero over to the other side and we get, 0 = 0 X 5, which is quite valid.

Or is 0/0 = 10, 50 or 100? Again, no problem, it can be the truth.

I regard the question of religion and afterlife as being analogous to 0/0. Attribute any value to it, you would be right (or wrong, we don’t know). But yes, all the viewpoints are equally valid when it comes to religion and afterlife.

Indeed, in these forums I have espoused the religion of Applism. Applism is fully as valid a religion as Christianity.

 

[big]

For the Truth to be present one must be able to say : "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." (John 1:14)

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Thus in the sphere of mathematics, the quantity 0/0 (zero divided by zero) is meaningless, indeterminate. So one could attribute any value to it and one would be right.

Actually, at least in mathematical formalism, it's the opposite, attributing a value to it is wrong. Division by zero is an undefined operation, no value can be validly assigned to it.

Looks like you were right, BTW, mr. big does appear to be a Christian, despite his self-refuting claim that a real Christian is an atheist.

 

[AnnaG]

The academy in question is the MIT press.

So? Philosophy is philosophy. Who says MIT can't print something and hold different views that the author who wrote what they printed? The editor of Scientific American once said he'd publish Creationism theory in SciAm if someone showed him facts supporting creationism. He's an atheist.

 

[AnnaG]

For the Truth to be present one must be able to say : "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." (John 1:14)

Also, for the truth to be present, one must be able to say frogs can fly.

 

[AnnaG]

Actually, at least in mathematical formalism, it's the opposite, attributing a value to it is wrong. Division by zero is an undefined operation, no value can be validly assigned to it.

What do you expect from someone who says wavelength isn't a factor of light velocity?

 

[Cliffy]

Can there be any truth in beliefs or opinions?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Actually, at least in mathematical formalism, it's the opposite, attributing a value to it is wrong. Division by zero is an undefined operation, no value can be validly assigned to it.

Quite so, Dexter. I have already said in my previous that 0/0 meaningless. But my point was that just as no value can be assigned to it that would be valid, at the same time any value can be assigned to it and one could make an apparent argument for that any value.

Thus, take any number A. A X 0 = 0. Therefore, A = 0/0.

My argument is that just as one could say just about anything about 0/0 (since it is meaningless), same way, one could say anything about religion and afterlife. Both are meaningless.

But just as one could make an apparent argument for any value to be 0/0, the same way one could make an apparent argument for anything to represent religion and afterlife (including my Applism). To me, the similarity between the two is striking.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Can there be any truth in beliefs or opinions?

Sure there can be, if one is a Fundamentalist.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Actually, at least in mathematical formalism, it's the opposite, attributing a value to it is wrong. Division by zero is an undefined operation, no value can be validly assigned to it.

Now here I don’t think you are entirely accurate. It depends upon what the numerator is. If the numerator is finite, non zero number, then division by 0 is far from meaningless.

Thus as x tends to 0, 1/x tends to ∞ (infinity). While ∞ is not a number, it is a well developed, well understood mathematical concept.

So division by 0 does have some meaning for a non zero numerator. However, 0/0 is totally meaningless.

 

[Spade]

0/0 is indeterminate..

 

[Spade]

Is that a fact.... and who exactley is it that "rails" against family planning?

Hi Gerry,
I was using a euphemism for therapeutic abortion.
As always,
Spade

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Hi Gerry,
I was using a euphemism for therapeutic abortion.
As always,
Spade

Now, you have to be careful here, Spade. When prolifers say the phrase ‘therapeutic abortion’, they refer to an abortion performed for any reason other than for saving the life of the mother. To them, almost all the abortions performed are therapeutic abortions.

 

[gerryh]

Hi Gerry,
I was using a euphemism for therapeutic abortion.
As always,
Spade

Just making sure, and ensuring clarity before I told you you are wrong.

 

[JLM]

Sure there can be, if one is a Fundamentalist.

I don't know about you guys but I don't have beliefs or opinions about things that aren't true.........seems kind of counter productive........:lol::lol::lol:

 

[big]

So? Philosophy is philosophy. Who says MIT can't print something and hold different views that the author who wrote what they printed? The editor of Scientific American once said he'd publish Creationism theory in SciAm if someone showed him facts supporting creationism. He's an atheist.

The MIT has quite a reputation.

 

[big]

Also, for the truth to be present, one must be able to say frogs can fly.

"Fiction" has more in common with truth than falsehood.

http://nosubject.com/Truth

 

[In Between Man]

I think you misunderstand me my friend. I wasn't suggesting I agreed with any of that, only that it's what I perceive postmodernism to be. I think postmodernism is flatulent nonsense for the most part.

Then I stand corrected. :smile:

 

[In Between Man]

I don't really have a belief system.

Everyone has a belief system, including self described spiritual anarchists. If you deny one set of beliefs like Christianity or atheism, that in itself affirms another set of beliefs. It could be Islam or it could spiritual anarchism. Everyone has philosophical assumptions about what God "is" and whether or not "it" exists. Everyone has a beliefs.

 

[In Between Man]

Applism is fully as valid a religion as Christianity.

Nice try but wrong again. The only *valid* opinion is the correct one. Reference post#302. Just because we can't agree or come to a conclusion doesn't mean that all views are "incorrect" until we can determine which one is the correct one. The truth is independent of what we think and feel, therefore one viewpoint is correct and all views that contradict it are incorrect.

If atheism is correct, then Christianity which flatly contradicts it, is incorrect and should not be considered valid. Which I might point out atheists don't consider it valid. If Christianity is correct then all views that contradict it, including atheism, are incorrect and not valid.