Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

SirJosephPorter

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Why, if there is a gawd, does it have to have a gender? Realistically, Gawd would have to be a hermaphrodite or asexual.

Quite so, Cliffy. In Hinduism, God is indeed a hermaphrodite. There is a half man, half woman incarnation of Mahesh, the third God of Hindu Trinity.




Of course, this does not mean that God is half man and half woman, a transvestite or a eunuch. It is just Hinduism’s way of saying that male and female are two sides of the same coin.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Jesus is a universal singularity. This is the "masculine" version of Stephen Hawkin's theory of the big bang. Hawking has also proposed a parallel "feminine" version based on his concept of "imaginary time".

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That is your interpretation, big. Atheistic interpretation is that Jesus was an ordinary carpenter who lived 2000 years ago, maybe (some doubt that he actually existed).
 

Dexter Sinister

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It is you that do not get it, Dexter. Tell me how you explain it then.
I don't have a complete explanation, nor do I think it's reasonable to demand one, we don't know enough yet and may never know enough, but unlike you, I can tolerate that and don't need to make stuff up to explain things we don't understand. I'd rather not know than be as wrongly certain and certainly wrong as you are.
 

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I don't have a complete explanation, nor do I think it's reasonable to demand one, we don't know enough yet and may never know enough, but unlike you, I can tolerate that and don't need to make stuff up to explain things we don't understand. I'd rather not know than be as wrongly certain and certainly wrong as you are.


How can it be unimportant like what you say.

In fact you have been misguided to know the most important wisdom in life to be exclusively with God alone without associate.

Nothing can be from the eternity unless it be the Ultimate One Who generated all this existence. I say nothing can be eternal: because we see all things pass in different stages and no material thing will remain as it is.

Anyhow, this is only a matter of guidance and it is between you and your Creator: if He please to guide you, me and all those on Earth or misguide them; none can guide or misguide anyone, but only God Who can do that.

This is in the Quran 32: 13

وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَآتَيْنَا كُلَّ نَفْسٍ هُدَاهَا وَلَكِنْ حَقَّ الْقَوْلُ مِنِّي لَأَمْلَأَنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ

The explanation:
(If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance,

but My due word was pronounced in truth: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether.")


 

Dexter Sinister

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How can it be unimportant like what you say.
I didn't say it was unimportant, I said we don't know, and I'd rather not know than believe something as patently absurd as what you're offering. For instance:

In fact you have been misguided... this is only a matter of guidance...none can guide or misguide anyone, but only God Who can do that.
Do you not perceive the illogic of that? If I've been misguided, and only god can do that, I can only conclude that god is deliberately misguiding me to a pretty nasty doom, if your descriptions of what awaits unbelievers are to be believed, for some inscrutable reasons of his own. It should hardly surprise you that a thoughtful person would reject that god as being not worthy of unconditional admiration. There's not even any point in you telling me I've been misguided, there's nothing you or I or anyone but god can do about it. I'm doomed, I cannot save myself, it all depends on the whim of the deity, all things are as Allah prescribes. That's an absurd and pointless fatalism I utterly reject.
 

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I didn't say it was unimportant, I said we don't know, and I'd rather not know than believe something as patently absurd as what you're offering. For instance:

Do you not perceive the illogic of that? If I've been misguided, and only god can do that, I can only conclude that god is deliberately misguiding me to a pretty nasty doom, if your descriptions of what awaits unbelievers are to be believed, for some inscrutable reasons of his own. It should hardly surprise you that a thoughtful person would reject that god as being not worthy of unconditional admiration. There's not even any point in you telling me I've been misguided, there's nothing you or I or anyone but god can do about it. I'm doomed, I cannot save myself, it all depends on the whim of the deity, all things are as Allah prescribes. That's an absurd and pointless fatalism I utterly reject.
.... for one simple reason, gods are human inventions and so, are subject to human failings.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Why are you blaming post modernism, Dexter? Big said it, he doesn’t come across exactly as a post modernist, he very much comes across as a Christian.
I doubt that, actually, I don't see how a Christian could say something like "A real Christian is an atheist." The postmodernist is that philosopher Slavoj Zizek he's fond of citing, whose speculations he's fallen for completely.
 

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I think sometimes big makes provocative statements, just to get a reaction. ‘A real Christian is an Atheist’ comes into that category.

Anyway, I have been called many names before (and right here in these forums too), but nobody has called me a Christian before.
 

Dexter Sinister

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...another relativist trying to blur lines and redefine terns to fit your views.
You've hit on the essence of postmodernism: all opinions are equally valid, there are no distinctions to be made among informed opinion, uninformed opinion, and lunatic opinion, everything--politics, religion, economics, ideology, science, philosophy, etc.--is just a cultural narrative that reflects no underlying reality. Seems self-refuting to me, for postmodernism itself must then also be just a cultural narrative with no roots in an underlying reality. That much at least I think is correct.

But we've gone a long way from Jesus' status in the OT... :smile:
 

SirJosephPorter

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The devil made you do it? What ever happened to turn the other cheek?:bootyshake:


Cliffy, I remember a Fundamentalist preacher had a novel interpretation of turning the other cheek. I am sure you are aware that Fundamentalist Christians are probably the worst war mongers around, next only to Muslim Fundamentalists.

Anyway, how is one going to square the bloodthirstiness with turning the other cheek? Well, where there is a will, there is a way. A Fundamentalist preacher interpreted turning the other cheek thus:

“If you slap me on one cheek, I will turn the other cheek. But if you slap my wife and kids, brother, I will throw you on the floor.”
 

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Cliffy, I remember a Fundamentalist preacher had a novel interpretation of turning the other cheek. I am sure you are aware that Fundamentalist Christians are probably the worst war mongers around, next only to Muslim Fundamentalists.

Anyway, how is one going to square the bloodthirstiness with turning the other cheek? Well, where there is a will, there is a way. A Fundamentalist preacher interpreted turning the other cheek thus:

“If you slap me on one cheek, I will turn the other cheek. But if you slap my wife and kids, brother, I will throw you on the floor.”
What? No napalm?