Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?
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You think everything around us came to existence by itself, or the universe and nature is there from eternity and that no maker did all that, and you say: this is testable and scientific.
However, there are characteristics for every material and every object, and there are systems and orders, principles and laws that work everywhere in the same way; and you say the things are as such: of their own accord: and every moving object: it is moving by itself, and every stationary object is as such from the start: no maker has done this and no mover has moved that.
And you say: this is scientific and logical; so is this the science and logic: that everything is done without any doer, and every act without any actor and every movement without any mover, and all the characteristics of all objects: no one has given these objects their characteristics, and they obey many laws which are inserted in the universe spontaneously and by themselves.
Then if we tell you, there is a causative for all acts, you say: this is the argument from cause, and if one says there is design, they tell him this is the argument from design.
So is this the science and logic; I believe certainly that science and logic have nothing to do with all this; and certainly God is the All-Wise Creator of everything in the universe.
God has guided us to such proofs in the Quran, like this aya 13: 16
قُلْ مَن رَّبُّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ قُلِ اللّهُ قُلْ أَفَاتَّخَذْتُم مِّن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاء لاَ يَمْلِكُونَ لِأَنفُسِهِمْ نَفْعًا وَلاَ ضَرًّا قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِي الأَعْمَى وَالْبَصِيرُ أَمْ هَلْ تَسْتَوِي الظُّلُمَاتُ وَالنُّورُ أَمْ جَعَلُواْ لِلّهِ شُرَكَاء خَلَقُواْ كَخَلْقِهِ فَتَشَابَهَ الْخَلْقُ عَلَيْهِمْ قُلِ اللّهُ خَالِقُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَهُوَ الْوَاحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ
The explanation:
(Say [Mohammed to these idolaters]: "Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth [: the planets and the earth]?" Say: "[He is] God."
(Say [Mohammed to these idolaters]: "Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth [: the planets and the earth]?" Say: "[He is] God."
Say: "Do you then take as patrons [like the idols made of stone] – apart from Him – those who even have no power to profit for themselves or to hurt?"
Say: "Are [then] the blind [the idols] and the All-Seeing [God] equal? Or are the darkness and the light equal?"
Or do they assign to God associates who created the like of His creation so that the creation seemed alike to them [i.e. so that they cannot distinguish God's creation from the creation of other alleged gods]?
Say: "God is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Dominant [He overcomes his servants: all of them submit to Him either in the World or in the afterlife].")
Say: "God is the Creator of all things, and He is the One, the Dominant [He overcomes his servants: all of them submit to Him either in the World or in the afterlife].")
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Science can measure and weigh things, and is certainly a very useful and essential part of human life since the past thousands of years and till now.
However, science is limited, and cannot give us the appearance of the universe into existence, or is there God the Creator by measuring and weighing;
Science can explain to us the wisdom of God and His might in the creation of the universe; and this can only be deducted by logic, thinking and cotemplation, and all this will certainly be by God's guidance.
See for example what is in reply #249 by ironsides when he tried by equations to prove how the universe came into existence; so he said:
"We may then state the above equation in this way: The work done by the resultant force acting on a particle is equal to the change in the kinetic energy of the particle, and thus the universe came into being."
then how did the particle and the energy come at the start?
But this may prove the matter was created from the ether particles: the fine ether particles were gathered together by God Almighty to form the matter particles and so on.
It means God Almighty is the Spirit Who created the matter from the ether.
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You don't get it at all, eanassir. Trying to explain something that's complex and difficult to understand, like the origin and evolution of the universe, by invoking something even more complex and difficult to understand, like a creative deity, doesn't explain anything, because then you have to explain where that deity came from. If you're going to argue, as you do, that the deity is eternal and has always been here, you might as well claim that the universe is eternal and has always been here, it explains just as much, i.e. nothing. The deity is just a way of avoiding an explanation, in effect by claiming no other explanation is necessary or even possible.
Dear Cliff and E A Nassir,
Why do the Abrahamic religions portray Gawd as male when there are no Goddesses?
As always,
Spade the Heretic
Why do the Abrahamic religions portray Gawd as male when there are no Goddesses?
As always,
Spade the Heretic
Because men wrote the books. They did not want to share the glory with the feminine because they were a bunch of male chauvinists. The Goddess has been around longer than Gawd and in Genesis you will see reference to Gawd in the feminine but the chauvinists glance over that part. Why, if there is a gawd, does it have to have a gender? Realistically, Gawd would have to be a hermaphrodite or asexual.
Jesus is a universal singularity. This is the "masculine" version of Stephen Hawkin's theory of the big bang. Hawking has also proposed a parallel "feminine" version based on his concept of "imaginary time".
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Seems to me it hasn't gone anywhere anyway. Still stuck with the same ol nonsense it started with, IMO.
The original question is moot in any event as the historical (as opposed to the hysterical) record is completely silent on any such man ever existing. There are no eyewitness accounts, though the faithful will strive to convince you otherwise. The extensive Roman records of the time still extant, make not even the vaguest hint of such a man or such events as that collection of adopted myths and old shepherds lies, would have the more gullible of the world believe. The original question strikes close to the truth though, all religions are about controlling people-usually for their fears and the secondary purpose of that is to make the controllers wealthy, no matter what cost to those who are swayed to unsupportable and totally unprovable, claims made by the various heads of the various faiths.